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Foil mast legnth for flying in open sea/swells

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Created by Sideshore > 9 months ago, 5 Sep 2020
Sideshore
313 posts
5 Sep 2020 10:36PM
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Hi
As in many other cases I've seen different advices on the net for mast foil length in open sea with swell.
My coleagues tell me that they need 95 cm mast to fly over the swell at the sea not to dip in the valleys. However Casey at WWF web site tells he uses 29'5" mast (75 cm) to surf the swell.

As beginner I prefer 80 cm because it lets me bechstart and not walking for a Km in shallow shores.

Thanks.

thedoor
2469 posts
5 Sep 2020 11:21PM
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I use 90 cm but do need to adjust height to match big swells, which is kind of fun. On one session with very big swell I felt longer might have been better, but normally I am fine with 90cm

I ride swell plenty good on 90cm and am not really willing to give up the advantage of a longer mast (eg gybing in swell) for any swell riding advantage a smaller mast might provide. However, my short mast is 70cm, I think there is a lot you could do on 80cm.

LeeD
3939 posts
6 Sep 2020 1:08AM
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Racers here mostly use 95 to 110.
Shorter has better wave riding feel.

Searoamer
NSW, 297 posts
6 Sep 2020 8:56AM
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I went from 85 to 95 mast and would never go back, gives so much versatility and extra margin before breaching, in waves and flat water - 75 is sweet spot for SUP/prone waveriding foilers ... and wingers ...?

Grantmac
2317 posts
6 Sep 2020 9:17AM
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I've used 85-110. I kind of think this depends on the foil and how fast you want to go.
Personally I'm into foiling to feel the swell and ride around it, 85 is fine.

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
6 Sep 2020 10:10AM
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I guess longer is better all round as a general rule.

racers tend to go for a much longer mast in chop, because Ideally you don't want to have be pitching up and down to avoid ventilation, you just want to ride straight to maintain speed. But if you're aiming to ride/surf the chop, you can go for something a bit shorter to make launching etc a bit easier. If you're already happy with what the 80 mast gives you, and youre not out to chase a world foil speed record, why change?

KDog
361 posts
6 Sep 2020 11:47AM
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Casey at WWF is on one of the great lakes upper midwest usa he does make it look easy on that 75 cm but he is also strapless.90-95cm is about as long as you can buy an aluminum mast any longer you have to go carbon. Me I like at least 90 makes for less mistakes and it's kind of fun when you are way up on the edge

Sideshore
313 posts
6 Sep 2020 3:55PM
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Thank you so much, guys. Very valuable information for a beginner

utcminusfour
750 posts
7 Sep 2020 9:46PM
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Mast length is always a compromise.
Longer IS easier once clear of the shore break. A longer mast can be faster but is slower unless you are skilled and can ride it high.
One of my spots is an ocean beach break and my 90cm mast is usually a disadvantage. Often my mates on 75cm kite foils are smashing the lip right next to me while I am still walking out to get deeper water. I rarely get to ride breaking waves because it is to shallow. When the surf starts to get bigger the shallower foils help you get free of the impact zone. In other words you CAN get out and it is easier to do so because you can sail sooner. Smaller masts and shorter fuses are lighter and that can make carrying the gear to and through the surf easier. I am planning on getting a 75cm flanged mast for surf sailing and or low tide shallow areas. I love ripping on auto pilot when the lump is less than my mast height. I also love contouring the waves, always staying the same height off the water as the waves slope. It fells so fluid, surfy and engaging! There is no wrong answer, it depends!



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