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Closing the gap - does it really matter? If so, how and when?

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Created by Paducah > 9 months ago, 28 Apr 2023
Paducah
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28 Apr 2023 5:24AM
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Elsewhere, aeroegnr posted this video of Blanca Alabau ripping and it started a convo about how much closing the gap matters (or doesn't) on a foil. For those of you who are performance oriented - is it noticeable? Does it show up on the GPS? Is there a min speed, wind strength, sail size or board size/width where it begins to become effective?



Starboard in their marketing blurbs for both the IQFoil adult and jr boards do mention it: "Deck concave and recessed mast track for a more vertical sailing position while closing the gap between the sail and the deck of the board.""

Maddlad
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28 Apr 2023 9:12AM
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My understanding about closing the gap was for stability rather than extra performance. The Americas Cup boats run deck sweepers over thier booms to stop there being a gap which prevents the air from swirling around the main sail. I believe thats what closing the gap is about. I could be wrong but thats my understanding of it.

Paducah
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28 Apr 2023 11:08AM
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Maddlad said..
My understanding about closing the gap was for stability rather than extra performance. The Americas Cup boats run deck sweepers over thier booms to stop there being a gap which prevents the air from swirling around the main sail. I believe thats what closing the gap is about. I could be wrong but thats my understanding of it.


That swirling air is the vortex at the end of the "wing" though, isn't it? So, reducing that should reduce induced (lots of 'duced, here ) drag? Should have remembered the AC75s and the deck designs. Thanks for bringing that up.

@4:41

segler
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28 Apr 2023 10:52PM
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We used to talk a lot about this in formula racing. Race sails were all designed with a low bottom to make it easy to "close the gap."

Personally I never noticed much difference. (But then I didn't win many races, either.)

In foiling we generally have an upright stance. This makes closing the gap difficult. If you foil really hiked out, maybe then you can close the gap.

aeroegnr
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29 Apr 2023 12:28AM
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More highly skilled riders with different kit, over 30+kts.






















Stretchy
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29 Apr 2023 7:34AM
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Hmmmm. Maybe that big gap under the board needs to be closed?

segler
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29 Apr 2023 10:49PM
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I interpret the pictures as open gap.

utcminusfour
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1 May 2023 9:04AM
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Aerodynamically, it's proven to be faster. The Cup boats are perfect examples.
Functionally, closing the gap is not much fun.
If your goal is to win races, you gotta do it.
If your goal is anything else, the gains might not be worth the hassle of a low deck sweeping foot. I may feel differently about that if I sailed a venue like your inland lake. The sail area below the boom is a great way to get low end grunt and if it helps lowers induced drag all the better. I'm sure there is a bunch of technique to it but it really is up to the designers to get the gap small in the first place so the riders can do it in a comfortable stance with the rig standing tall. Comparing the cup boats to the windfoilers in the pics above, it looks like there is still room for improvement.
I love ducking the sail too much to even consider sails that could make it happen!



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