So I mainly use my Axis BSC 1060 with the flat 400 rear stab. I also have the HA1000 that I use occasionally in windy, but flatter conditions. If I wanted a faster foil, what would you guys recommend? I ordered a Black Windsurfing fuse from MACKite yesterday so I can try some black fuse compatible foils. I am not necessarily a speed guy, but I would like a faster foil for those times I feel like going fast. Thanks!
6'4", 225 pounds.
At your weight if you have enough wind say 12 to 15 knots the HPS 930 might be worth looking at ,thinner profile than the bcs foils if you really want to up the speed go with less span say the HPS 830
Select to expand quoteKDog said..
At your weight if you have enough wind say 12 to 15 knots the HPS 930 might be worth looking at ,thinner profile than the bcs foils if you really want to up the speed go with less span say the HPS 830
Thanks! I'm nervous about going too small, but I am willing to try. I use my BSC 1060 and 1120 for doing upwind/downwind swell riding. But sometimes I think it may be fun to go a bit faster.
I had the 1000 front wing. It's the first generation wing, and there have been substantial improvements since. I presume your still have the red fuse? You really want to upgrade to the black fuse and then you can move on to the HPS and ART wings. There are about 5 guys on axis setups where I am and we all made the exact same progression. Next best step is the HPS 980. Feels exactly like the 1000 for ease of getting up, but much more stable at the top end. After that it's the 999. It's takes a little getting used to, it wants to be pumped up. But the glide is much better - goes thru the lulls better.
as for rear wings, we all started on the 500 anhedral, and a lot of us still use it on light days - it's the most stable for learning to gybe. After that a few of us have moved to the 475 progressive. I have also tried the 380 speed rear, but I found it quite twitchy.
all wings have a usable range. The more low aspect the wing (eg the 1000) the lower the top end. Once you get close to the top end the foil starts to get pretty unstable, and feels pretty scary. You can be mistaken for thinking it's your technique and you just need to get better - sure there is probably an element of that, but a lot of it is just the limit of the foil wings.
as I recall, the 1000 would start to top out at about 16-17knots (of board speed). The 980 is fine up to 20/21 and the 999 I have done 23 knots. Personally, if you have the 1000 I would go for the 999. It's a real quiver killer. I had the 980 and 999 for a while, thinking I would keep the 980 for light wind days, but once I got used to the 999 it actually became my preferred light wind option and sold the 980.
the final step would have been to to get an ART 799 for real speed - good up to 28knots.
we are all using freeride boards (starboard freeride 150 for me) and sails between 6-8m. It's too bad you aren't in NZ, I'm selling off all my axis at the moment. Only because I am moving on to racing.
feel free to ask any other questions. there aren't that many guys windfoiling on the axis stuff, at least here, so happy to share. Also the designer, Adrian Roper, is local so we have picked his brain a lot.
Select to expand quoteshaneNZ said..
I had the 1000 front wing. It's the first generation wing, and there have been substantial improvements since. I presume your still have the red fuse? You really want to upgrade to the black fuse and then you can move on to the HPS and ART wings. There are about 5 guys on axis setups where I am and we all made the exact same progression. Next best step is the HPS 980. Feels exactly like the 1000 for ease of getting up, but much more stable at the top end. After that it's the 999. It's takes a little getting used to, it wants to be pumped up. But the glide is much better - goes thru the lulls better.
as for rear wings, we all started on the 500 anhedral, and a lot of us still use it on light days - it's the most stable for learning to gybe. After that a few of us have moved to the 475 progressive. I have also tried the 380 speed rear, but I found it quite twitchy.
all wings have a usable range. The more low aspect the wing (eg the 1000) the lower the top end. Once you get close to the top end the foil starts to get pretty unstable, and feels pretty scary. You can be mistaken for thinking it's your technique and you just need to get better - sure there is probably an element of that, but a lot of it is just the limit of the foil wings.
as I recall, the 1000 would start to top out at about 16-17knots (of board speed). The 980 is fine up to 20/21 and the 999 I have done 23 knots. Personally, if you have the 1000 I would go for the 999. It's a real quiver killer. I had the 980 and 999 for a while, thinking I would keep the 980 for light wind days, but once I got used to the 999 it actually became my preferred light wind option and sold the 980.
the final step would have been to to get an ART 799 for real speed - good up to 28knots.
we are all using freeride boards (starboard freeride 150 for me) and sails between 6-8m. It's too bad you aren't in NZ, I'm selling off all my axis at the moment. Only because I am moving on to racing.
feel free to ask any other questions. there aren't that many guys windfoiling on the axis stuff, at least here, so happy to share. Also the designer, Adrian Roper, is local so we have picked his brain a lot.
Interesting info thanks Shane.
I've had the ART 799 and presently playing with the 699 - both get unstable in yaw/roll for me at speeds over 20 knots, ocean in strong winds when the seastate is turbulent. Is that your experience?
I mentioned this to Adrian when he was here a month ago and he said the new fast HA wing coming out might be the ticket - do you guys have any more intel on that?
Select to expand quoteshaneNZ said..
I had the 1000 front wing. It's the first generation wing, and there have been substantial improvements since. I presume your still have the red fuse? You really want to upgrade to the black fuse and then you can move on to the HPS and ART wings. There are about 5 guys on axis setups where I am and we all made the exact same progression. Next best step is the HPS 980. Feels exactly like the 1000 for ease of getting up, but much more stable at the top end. After that it's the 999. It's takes a little getting used to, it wants to be pumped up. But the glide is much better - goes thru the lulls better.
as for rear wings, we all started on the 500 anhedral, and a lot of us still use it on light days - it's the most stable for learning to gybe. After that a few of us have moved to the 475 progressive. I have also tried the 380 speed rear, but I found it quite twitchy.
all wings have a usable range. The more low aspect the wing (eg the 1000) the lower the top end. Once you get close to the top end the foil starts to get pretty unstable, and feels pretty scary. You can be mistaken for thinking it's your technique and you just need to get better - sure there is probably an element of that, but a lot of it is just the limit of the foil wings.
as I recall, the 1000 would start to top out at about 16-17knots (of board speed). The 980 is fine up to 20/21 and the 999 I have done 23 knots. Personally, if you have the 1000 I would go for the 999. It's a real quiver killer. I had the 980 and 999 for a while, thinking I would keep the 980 for light wind days, but once I got used to the 999 it actually became my preferred light wind option and sold the 980.
the final step would have been to to get an ART 799 for real speed - good up to 28knots.
we are all using freeride boards (starboard freeride 150 for me) and sails between 6-8m. It's too bad you aren't in NZ, I'm selling off all my axis at the moment. Only because I am moving on to racing.
feel free to ask any other questions. there aren't that many guys windfoiling on the axis stuff, at least here, so happy to share. Also the designer, Adrian Roper, is local so we have picked his brain a lot.
Yeah. I am using the red windsurf fuse for my BSC 1120, 1060 and the HA1000. I just ordered the black windsurf fuse yesterday. I have a close friend who is on Axis too, but he's a wing foiler. I can generally demo anything I want from MACKite, but my buddy has the HPS 1050 and the ART 999 and 899 that I can try anytime. If the 999 is something that is not too hard to get used to, I may just jump on one of those to add to my quiver. I'm not looking to ride too fast. Something in the 20-24 mph range would be plenty fast for me.
Select to expand quoteazymuth said..shaneNZ said..
I had the 1000 front wing. It's the first generation wing, and there have been substantial improvements since. I presume your still have the red fuse? You really want to upgrade to the black fuse and then you can move on to the HPS and ART wings. There are about 5 guys on axis setups where I am and we all made the exact same progression. Next best step is the HPS 980. Feels exactly like the 1000 for ease of getting up, but much more stable at the top end. After that it's the 999. It's takes a little getting used to, it wants to be pumped up. But the glide is much better - goes thru the lulls better.
as for rear wings, we all started on the 500 anhedral, and a lot of us still use it on light days - it's the most stable for learning to gybe. After that a few of us have moved to the 475 progressive. I have also tried the 380 speed rear, but I found it quite twitchy.
all wings have a usable range. The more low aspect the wing (eg the 1000) the lower the top end. Once you get close to the top end the foil starts to get pretty unstable, and feels pretty scary. You can be mistaken for thinking it's your technique and you just need to get better - sure there is probably an element of that, but a lot of it is just the limit of the foil wings.
as I recall, the 1000 would start to top out at about 16-17knots (of board speed). The 980 is fine up to 20/21 and the 999 I have done 23 knots. Personally, if you have the 1000 I would go for the 999. It's a real quiver killer. I had the 980 and 999 for a while, thinking I would keep the 980 for light wind days, but once I got used to the 999 it actually became my preferred light wind option and sold the 980.
the final step would have been to to get an ART 799 for real speed - good up to 28knots.
we are all using freeride boards (starboard freeride 150 for me) and sails between 6-8m. It's too bad you aren't in NZ, I'm selling off all my axis at the moment. Only because I am moving on to racing.
feel free to ask any other questions. there aren't that many guys windfoiling on the axis stuff, at least here, so happy to share. Also the designer, Adrian Roper, is local so we have picked his brain a lot.
Interesting info thanks Shane.
I've had the ART 799 and presently playing with the 699 - both get unstable in yaw/roll for me at speeds over 20 knots, ocean in strong winds when the seastate is turbulent. Is that your experience?
I mentioned this to Adrian when he was here a month ago and he said the new fast HA wing coming out might be the ticket - do you guys have any more intel on that?
I wish I had your skill set Azymuth. You and your crew are amazing to watch in your videos.
Select to expand quoteexcav8ter said..shaneNZ said..
I had the 1000 front wing. It's the first generation wing, and there have been substantial improvements since. I presume your still have the red fuse? You really want to upgrade to the black fuse and then you can move on to the HPS and ART wings. There are about 5 guys on axis setups where I am and we all made the exact same progression. Next best step is the HPS 980. Feels exactly like the 1000 for ease of getting up, but much more stable at the top end. After that it's the 999. It's takes a little getting used to, it wants to be pumped up. But the glide is much better - goes thru the lulls better.
as for rear wings, we all started on the 500 anhedral, and a lot of us still use it on light days - it's the most stable for learning to gybe. After that a few of us have moved to the 475 progressive. I have also tried the 380 speed rear, but I found it quite twitchy.
all wings have a usable range. The more low aspect the wing (eg the 1000) the lower the top end. Once you get close to the top end the foil starts to get pretty unstable, and feels pretty scary. You can be mistaken for thinking it's your technique and you just need to get better - sure there is probably an element of that, but a lot of it is just the limit of the foil wings.
as I recall, the 1000 would start to top out at about 16-17knots (of board speed). The 980 is fine up to 20/21 and the 999 I have done 23 knots. Personally, if you have the 1000 I would go for the 999. It's a real quiver killer. I had the 980 and 999 for a while, thinking I would keep the 980 for light wind days, but once I got used to the 999 it actually became my preferred light wind option and sold the 980.
the final step would have been to to get an ART 799 for real speed - good up to 28knots.
we are all using freeride boards (starboard freeride 150 for me) and sails between 6-8m. It's too bad you aren't in NZ, I'm selling off all my axis at the moment. Only because I am moving on to racing.
feel free to ask any other questions. there aren't that many guys windfoiling on the axis stuff, at least here, so happy to share. Also the designer, Adrian Roper, is local so we have picked his brain a lot.
Yeah. I am using the red windsurf fuse for my BSC 1120, 1060 and the HA1000. I just ordered the black windsurf fuse yesterday. I have a close friend who is on Axis too, but he's a wing foiler. I can generally demo anything I want from MACKite, but my buddy has the HPS 1050 and the ART 999 and 899 that I can try anytime. If the 999 is something that is not too hard to get used to, I may just jump on one of those to add to my quiver. I'm not looking to ride too fast. Something in the 20-24 mph range would be plenty fast for me.
I would definitely try to demo the 999. If you were going to sell the 1000 (which I would if you are no longer a total beginner), at your weight you might also try the 1099
Axis wingers I know have almost universally preferred the HPS over the ART. Even pretty high performing ones, just a better design it seems.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
Axis wingers I know have almost universally preferred the HPS over the ART. Even pretty high performing ones, just a better design it seems.
One of my best friends is a winger. He had the HPS1050 and sold it because he bought the ART 1099, 999, and 899. This spring he told me he bought a new HPS1050 because he missed how it worked in light to medium wind. Fortunately I can try his foils anytime. I was even thinking of buying the HPS980 and then he can use it if he wants to, and I can take his 1050.
Select to expand quoteshaneNZ said..
I had the 1000 front wing. It's the first generation wing, and there have been substantial improvements since. I presume your still have the red fuse? You really want to upgrade to the black fuse and then you can move on to the HPS and ART wings. There are about 5 guys on axis setups where I am and we all made the exact same progression. Next best step is the HPS 980. Feels exactly like the 1000 for ease of getting up, but much more stable at the top end. After that it's the 999. It's takes a little getting used to, it wants to be pumped up. But the glide is much better - goes thru the lulls better.
as for rear wings, we all started on the 500 anhedral, and a lot of us still use it on light days - it's the most stable for learning to gybe. After that a few of us have moved to the 475 progressive. I have also tried the 380 speed rear, but I found it quite twitchy.
all wings have a usable range. The more low aspect the wing (eg the 1000) the lower the top end. Once you get close to the top end the foil starts to get pretty unstable, and feels pretty scary. You can be mistaken for thinking it's your technique and you just need to get better - sure there is probably an element of that, but a lot of it is just the limit of the foil wings.
as I recall, the 1000 would start to top out at about 16-17knots (of board speed). The 980 is fine up to 20/21 and the 999 I have done 23 knots. Personally, if you have the 1000 I would go for the 999. It's a real quiver killer. I had the 980 and 999 for a while, thinking I would keep the 980 for light wind days, but once I got used to the 999 it actually became my preferred light wind option and sold the 980.
the final step would have been to to get an ART 799 for real speed - good up to 28knots.
we are all using freeride boards (starboard freeride 150 for me) and sails between 6-8m. It's too bad you aren't in NZ, I'm selling off all my axis at the moment. Only because I am moving on to racing.
feel free to ask any other questions. there aren't that many guys windfoiling on the axis stuff, at least here, so happy to share. Also the designer, Adrian Roper, is local so we have picked his brain a lot.
Thanks Shane.
Currently I am thinking about adding the BSC 890 or the HPS 980. I'm a bit leery of anything like the ART foils at this time because I keep hearing that really high aspect foils get twitchy in choppy and confused conditions. Is this a valid concern? I saw a review on YouTube that that compared the BSC 890 and the HPS 980. The reviewer said the BSC 890 was nearly as fast as the HPS 980. He loved the BSC because it was extremely easy to use it at top speed, and it was also easy to slow it down and ride swells with the sail flagging downwind.
The BSC 890 just makes sense to me because it's definitely going to be faster, and it's in the BSC family so it's handling characteristics should be a bit familiar. As for buying the HPS 980, I guess I would look at that because of how highly regarded the 1050 is. And because it's not as high aspect as the ART line up.
I picked up a BSC 890 tonight. Here's hoping the wind in Sundays forecast comes to fruition! Excited to try it!
