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Anyone know how a Foil X 105 compares to a Wizard 105??

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Created by tswei99 > 9 months ago, 6 Oct 2020
tswei99
95 posts
6 Oct 2020 1:38AM
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Having a solid season under my belt, considering a revamp for next season. I am lucky enough to have 15+ knots most days and my current Wizard 105 has been awesome. But, I find the SS engineering and build quality someone lacking.

Anyone had a go on the Foil X 105? Based on what I have been reading and seeing, seems SB has been pretty sucessful with their Foil X lineup and Supercruiser design.

Samkyo
99 posts
6 Oct 2020 4:33AM
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Hello got the same question as I am looking to replace my wizard 125 and 105. For light wind I will go for the tabou magic carpet to get us track for a better use of big front wing as the I84, I76 on light wind + winging things and for medium to high wing looking for a similar length but narrower as the wizard 105.
due to the lake of slingshot windsurf dealer in my area I am look at other brand and SB look to offer a really good option on small board. Here is my shortlist

SB X105
Severn Alien 105 (but 10cm longueur)

other nice option but same issue as Slingshot in term of dealer MB Pegasus

Grantmac
2320 posts
6 Oct 2020 9:03AM
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I can't speak to the board but I have direct experience with the Slingshot I76 and Supercruiser 1700. The SC is by far a better foil. Engineering, build quality and performance. It's longer fuselage and larger stabilizer are perhaps on the overly stable side but that they are releasing smaller stabilizers to go with the new smaller wings.
The only place where the Slingshot beat it was wing availability but that is a thing of the past now.

All I'll say on the board is that I'd want one with tracks rather than a tuttle. But that is my personal feeling. The FoilX wing has that although in a forward position for winging.

azymuth
WA, 2156 posts
6 Oct 2020 9:14AM
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Grantmac said..
I can't speak to the board but I have direct experience with the Slingshot I76 and Supercruiser 1700. The SC is by far a better foil. Engineering, build quality and performance. It's longer fuselage and larger stabilizer are perhaps on the overly stable side but that they are releasing smaller stabilizers to go with the new smaller wings.
The only place where the Slingshot beat it was wing availability but that is a thing of the past now.





Totally disagree with you - love to see a video where the Supercruiser 1700 is carving harder downwind or riding waves better than the Infinity 76.
Over to you

Grantmac
2320 posts
6 Oct 2020 10:23AM
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I've owned both, have you?
I've sailed them back to back, have you?
I've sailed next to riders using the opposite foil, have you?
Half the Infinity wings locally (we aren't a large community here either) are warranty replacements, nobody has done more than scratch their Starboard or Axis wings.

The OP isn't thrilled with their Slingshot equipment and they definitely aren't alone. They don't need to put up with an overpriced, poorly built foil.

azymuth
WA, 2156 posts
6 Oct 2020 10:58AM
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Grantmac said..
I've owned both, have you?
I've sailed them back to back, have you?
I've sailed next to riders using the opposite foil, have you?
Half the Infinity wings locally (we aren't a large community here either) are warranty replacements, nobody has done more than scratch their Starboard or Axis wings.

The OP isn't thrilled with their Slingshot equipment and they definitely aren't alone. They don't need to put up with an overpriced, poorly built foil.


No to having owned one - yes to the other two.
We've had thousands of hours here on the 76 in the last 2 years (most in the ocean) without issue - early on two guys had their wings delam and replaced under warranty.

Performance is everything.
The SC might be as fast in a straight line as the 76, but going back and forth in my mind is not performance.
We've posted videos showing 360s, carving gybes, riding waves, carving 2m windswells downwind and flying upwind fast, controllably over chop in 25 knot+ winds - using the 76.
If the SC 1700 is by far better performing than the 76 as you say - OK, let's see it.

Swindy
WA, 456 posts
6 Oct 2020 12:33PM
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A bit off the OP but I think the 1300 SB wing would be more comparable in performance to the i76 and might be improved with a smaller stab when I can get one. Even with the new range of wings from SB they still don't do one small enough to compete with the i65 in strong winds. As good as the videos of JJ and the other slingshot crew in Perth are, they don't do justice to how fast and hard they can carve when you see them come past in real life. No way I can compete with that. It will be interesting to see what wings Severne come out with in the future. I'm sure Ben will want to be ripping it with the slingshot crew on his own brand.
IMHO SB have the edge on quality and just as good as SS for cruising on a big wing but SS for 25+ conditions at the moment.
The Severne Alien 105 and Red Wing Foils are worth a look at as another alternative after seeing them in the flesh a few weeks ago.

w100
WA, 278 posts
6 Oct 2020 3:27PM
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Doesn't Naish Micro Hover 105 belong to this category? I read the Wizard 105 being very popular.From specs the M.H. 105 is very similar to new Wizard 114 and other newcomers

Gwarn
245 posts
6 Oct 2020 9:33PM
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The 105 is hard to beat the drawback is the shallow tuttle box. So you're limited as to what foils you can stick into it. For SF bay you can't beat it this board rocks keep it upgrade the box so you can change foils if that's the plan.

The board is just a launch platform.(smaller is more nibble and turns faster in the air)

As far as this wing debate what works well for one doesn't alway work well for the other guy. No two people are alike that's the beauty of life so some people like to cruise around others like to ride it like they stole it.

Equipment failures suck we all know this if you can't trust it it won't be fun so switch if that's the case nothing mechanical is 100% reliable.

So life is short and the windy season is even shorter so ride it like you stole it!

Here's an example this board won't work for 90% of foilers butt for me I'll be a swell carving fool...



segler
WA, 1656 posts
6 Oct 2020 10:47PM
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I know Grantmac has talked about SS quality being suspect. I see dozens of SS i76 foils in the Gorge, and dozens more in Florida.

With just one exception, after asking around to everybody I see, I have not heard of anybody having quality problems with their SS foils.

The one exception was a delam of the wing, not caused by a collision or grounding. The dealer replaced the wing in seconds, no questions asked.

thedoor
2470 posts
6 Oct 2020 10:58PM
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Gwarn said..
The 105 is hard to beat the drawback is the shallow tuttle box. So you're limited as to what foils you can stick into it. For SF bay you can't beat it this board rocks keep it upgrade the box so you can change foils if that's the plan.

The board is just a launch platform.(smaller is more nibble and turns faster in the air)

As far as this wing debate what works well for one doesn't alway work well for the other guy. No two people are alike that's the beauty of life so some people like to cruise around others like to ride it like they stole it.

Equipment failures suck we all know this if you can't trust it it won't be fun so switch if that's the case nothing mechanical is 100% reliable.

So life is short and the windy season is even shorter so ride it like you stole it!

Here's an example this board won't work for 90% of foilers butt for me I'll be a swell carving fool...




So good. What sort of specs will it have?

tswei99
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7 Oct 2020 12:38AM
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segler said..
I know Grantmac has talked about SS quality being suspect. I see dozens of SS i76 foils in the Gorge, and dozens more in Florida.

With just one exception, after asking around to everybody I see, I have not heard of anybody having quality problems with their SS foils.

The one exception was a delam of the wing, not caused by a collision or grounding. The dealer replaced the wing in seconds, no questions asked.




Well, I'm sorry to report that I've had two complete failures this season that were warrantied. The fuse/mast joint sheared on both occasions and I have seen this with other sailors as well. SS has been great about warranty, but it did cost me some downtime waiting for replacements. I think their design causes constant shearing stress at that join, which is why many brands have adopted a mortise-tenon approach.

I DO love their designs though, for 15+ knots the W105/i76 is a fantastic combo I can do so much with.

I am a fan of getting a board and foil that is designed to work together. So in my view, SB and SS lead the pack being able to offer both board and foil.

My last replacement included stainless bolts for that join, which so far has held up. But at 200+ lbs (90KG) I am concerned about longevity.

I've also got concerns about board build. My 2020 W125 is quite thin-skinned, whereas my 2018 W105 is pretty bomber and still reasonably light. Starboard has been at the game for longer and is likely better resources and I think it shows in their product.

Grantmac
2320 posts
7 Oct 2020 7:06AM
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Unless you sail in fresh water with sandy beaches then the Slingshot stuff doesn't hold up well. The Infinity wings around here are all chipped and about half the guys using them are on their 2nd, in some cases 3rd.
Me personally I had a H2 wing break in the socket (one month out of warranty and I got zero support). My first fuselage wasn't tapped correctly so only worked in B position. The replacement one had the paint flake off at 14 months (also no warranty). Both had wobbly wing fittings at the best of times (to be fair so does the Supercruiser). Once the coating flaked off the fuselage material corroded faster than uncoated 6061, indicating that it's a very low grade alloy. Probably whatever the plant in China could get cheapest.
I had to replace all of the "titanium" hardware since the allan heads were all rounding.

I had my I76 for just a few months and even babying it I could see where it would start chipping like everyone else's.
I sold the lot and bought a used demo SC1700, it looked almost unused despite being a demo for over 6 months. I've since learned that I don't have to baby it at all. I've run it aground many times, had my board blow 90 degrees with it on rocks etc with maybe a scratch. You'd be into the core material on an Infinity wing (seen it).

As for performance, I'm an intermediate foiler. When I made the switch I went from 25 to 75% gybe completion instantly. Gained at bottom and top end without any reduction in carving ability.
You can also get the shorter fuselage or smaller stab/wings if you are after a more maneuverable setup.

I'm outspoken about the two because I've used both extensively. I sail with better foilers than myself on both and they feel the same. Slingshot has an amazing PR department while Starboard is more focused on the IQ foil.

swoosh
QLD, 1928 posts
7 Oct 2020 10:20AM
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Gwarn said..
The 105 is hard to beat the drawback is the shallow tuttle box. So you're limited as to what foils you can stick into it. For SF bay you can't beat it this board rocks keep it upgrade the box so you can change foils if that's the plan.

The board is just a launch platform.(smaller is more nibble and turns faster in the air)

As far as this wing debate what works well for one doesn't alway work well for the other guy. No two people are alike that's the beauty of life so some people like to cruise around others like to ride it like they stole it.

Equipment failures suck we all know this if you can't trust it it won't be fun so switch if that's the case nothing mechanical is 100% reliable.

So life is short and the windy season is even shorter so ride it like you stole it!

Here's an example this board won't work for 90% of foilers butt for me I'll be a swell carving fool...




This is sick. But whats going on with the rear footstrap plugs?

oscardog
216 posts
7 Oct 2020 10:00AM
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tswei99

My last replacement included stainless bolts for that join, which so far has held up. But at 200+ lbs (90KG) I am concerned about longevity.


Suggest a packet of stainless fuse to mast bolts, replace when you replace your smoke detector batteries (or when Australia changes Prime Minister's)

Bolts available in USA here www.mcmaster.com/93395A425/
Or long thread discussion here www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Slingshot-titanium-bolt-failure?page=3

Gwarn
245 posts
8 Oct 2020 9:31PM
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swoosh said..


Gwarn said..
The 105 is hard to beat the drawback is the shallow tuttle box. So you're limited as to what foils you can stick into it. For SF bay you can't beat it this board rocks keep it upgrade the box so you can change foils if that's the plan.

The board is just a launch platform.(smaller is more nibble and turns faster in the air)

As far as this wing debate what works well for one doesn't alway work well for the other guy. No two people are alike that's the beauty of life so some people like to cruise around others like to ride it like they stole it.

Equipment failures suck we all know this if you can't trust it it won't be fun so switch if that's the case nothing mechanical is 100% reliable.

So life is short and the windy season is even shorter so ride it like you stole it!

Here's an example this board won't work for 90% of foilers butt for me I'll be a swell carving fool...




This is sick. But whats going on with the rear footstrap plugs?



I just set the plugs down on the board for the picture it's not the ture placement I'll post more as I go.

This board is 127 cm x 71.2 cm 12.7cm thick

My primary goto board this season was 144cm x 73.6 x 12.7 thick plenty of float as I can slog it







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