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An epic seabreeze (video)

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Created by azymuth > 9 months ago, 9 Jan 2022
azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
9 Jan 2022 7:26AM
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A solid 25 knots in the video.
Did a downwinder in over 30 knots when I removed the GoPro (noticeably easier without that little weight 1/2m off the end of the boom) - probably the windiest seabreeze I've foiled
Definitely miss having full footstraps in these conditions.

Riders: Simon Z - SS Infinity 76, 4m
Mr. Smooth - testing Sabfoil Balz 799, 3.7m
JJ - Phantasm PTM 926 (modified to 830), 3.4m

CAN17
575 posts
9 Jan 2022 7:57AM
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Wow super video JJ. The water colour and swell look so dreamy. I have to try that gopro extension method. Probably the best view to capture the waves.

Glad the 799 was working for Simon in those stong winds. Did you have the mast foward in the tracks on that freestyle and do you like that combo better then the wizard with the shorter sail to foot distance?
Looked noticeably quick out there. Very smooth

JJ how many cm2 do you think your chopped 926 is? Looks fast and glidey.

I will be picturing you swimming in shorts tomorrow when I'm swimming in 2 degree water. Hopefully that doesn't sound wrong

CoreAS
923 posts
9 Jan 2022 8:03AM
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Complete and utter sh!thouse conditions!

I don't know how you stay on the foil in those winds.

baldy123
WA, 447 posts
9 Jan 2022 8:08AM
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Day of the season so far! The bumps were huge further down the coast!
same again today!!

WsurfAustin
651 posts
9 Jan 2022 10:24AM
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Awesome riding!!. Knowing how camera's really flatten everything out, those waves must be huge.

aeroegnr
1731 posts
9 Jan 2022 10:44AM
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Inspiring riding there, that set at 1:40 is mental.

Rewind
NSW, 98 posts
9 Jan 2022 7:26PM
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Nice work sailing in those conditions.

How come you guys swapped back to the freestyle boards for the higher wind sessions?

PatK
321 posts
9 Jan 2022 5:44PM
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Amazing conditions there! I would prefer a fin, much easier to control.
We here in switzerland also have wind, over 100kmh last night. But too cold for me.
So why do you "modify" the 926? Broke a tip or what?

2keen
WA, 372 posts
9 Jan 2022 6:55PM
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CAN17 said..
Wow super video JJ. The water colour and swell look so dreamy. I have to try that gopro extension method. Probably the best view to capture the waves.

Glad the 799 was working for Simon in those stong winds. Did you have the mast foward in the tracks on that freestyle and do you like that combo better then the wizard with the shorter sail to foot distance?
Looked noticeably quick out there. Very smooth

JJ how many cm2 do you think your chopped 926 is? Looks fast and glidey.

I will be picturing you swimming in shorts tomorrow when I'm swimming in 2 degree water. Hopefully that doesn't sound wrong


Connor, I'm running 2deg shim with the mast all the way forward in the tracks, front bolts in the back of the front holes of the 92 mast.
The SS 87 Freestyle combined with the SAB 799 is super loose, not for the faint hearted
The Wizard 114 with the Phantasm 730 has a secure "locked in" feel that encourages you to push harder
I was riding the Freestyle 87 for the challenge,
In high winds the Wizard 114 is probably easier to ride as the increased width translates to increased control

Rewind
NSW, 98 posts
9 Jan 2022 10:11PM
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2keen said..

CAN17 said..
Wow super video JJ. The water colour and swell look so dreamy. I have to try that gopro extension method. Probably the best view to capture the waves.

Glad the 799 was working for Simon in those stong winds. Did you have the mast foward in the tracks on that freestyle and do you like that combo better then the wizard with the shorter sail to foot distance?
Looked noticeably quick out there. Very smooth

JJ how many cm2 do you think your chopped 926 is? Looks fast and glidey.

I will be picturing you swimming in shorts tomorrow when I'm swimming in 2 degree water. Hopefully that doesn't sound wrong



Connor, I'm running 2deg shim with the mast all the way forward in the tracks, front bolts in the back of the front holes of the 92 mast.
The SS 87 Freestyle combined with the SAB 799 is super loose, not for the faint hearted
The Wizard 114 with the Phantasm 730 has a secure "locked in" feel that encourages you to push harder
I was riding the Freestyle 87 for the challenge,
In high winds the Wizard 114 is probably easier to ride as the increased width translates to increased control


Classic quote: "I was riding the Freestyle 87 for the challenge".

The rest of us would have had enough on with 25 knots, big lumps and a new foil wing.

CAN17
575 posts
9 Jan 2022 9:06PM
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2keen said..


CAN17 said..
Wow super video JJ. The water colour and swell look so dreamy. I have to try that gopro extension method. Probably the best view to capture the waves.

Glad the 799 was working for Simon in those stong winds. Did you have the mast foward in the tracks on that freestyle and do you like that combo better then the wizard with the shorter sail to foot distance?
Looked noticeably quick out there. Very smooth

JJ how many cm2 do you think your chopped 926 is? Looks fast and glidey.

I will be picturing you swimming in shorts tomorrow when I'm swimming in 2 degree water. Hopefully that doesn't sound wrong




Connor, I'm running 2deg shim with the mast all the way forward in the tracks, front bolts in the back of the front holes of the 92 mast.
The SS 87 Freestyle combined with the SAB 799 is super loose, not for the faint hearted
The Wizard 114 with the Phantasm 730 has a secure "locked in" feel that encourages you to push harder
I was riding the Freestyle 87 for the challenge,
In high winds the Wizard 114 is probably easier to ride as the increased width translates to increased control



Wow must have been very loose your pretty much on a Balz Muller kit out there
799 is definitely not as locked in as some other wings like the infinity 76. The heel side turns are ridiculously tight. Have you been trying the downwind 360s with the 799. I have a feeling it would be a great wing for those. Great glide and speed, turny but still floaty.

Would be cool if you guys did a comparison of the phantasm 730 and the SAB 799
Also have you tryed the 799 on the phantasm fuse? I reckon you might like that wing postion better as I think the phantasm fuse puts the front wings further forward then the moses. I've heard the moses pedestal masts aren't as stiff in comparison to the SS ghost whisperer masts. Are the phantasm wide body masts a lot stiffer?

PhilUK
1098 posts
9 Jan 2022 11:13PM
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PatK said..
I would prefer a fin


Me too. Small Exocet Cross or Tabou 3S type board and 4.7-5m decent 5 batten B&J sail and it would be exciting blasting around. Foiling looks too slow to me.

segler
WA, 1656 posts
10 Jan 2022 2:08AM
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Nice jibe at 2:55. Reverse foot is a good way to avoid disturbing the pitch trim during the jibe. Switch feet afterward. My jibes are terrible, so I will be working on this method this coming summer.

I really like the end of boom camera view. Yes, the downside is the swing weight of a camera out there a half meter behind the boom. I have made this kind of camera mount myself.

This year I will be trying the Clew-View camera mount. Lighter weight, and closer to the end of the boom for less swing weight. www.clew-view.com

BullroarerTook
299 posts
10 Jan 2022 2:56AM
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That smooth move there at 5:20? Yeah, I got that. ??

azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
10 Jan 2022 4:05AM
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PhilUK said..

Me too. Small Exocet Cross or Tabou 3S type board and 4.7-5m decent 5 batten B&J sail and it would be exciting blasting around. Foiling looks too slow to me.



Have you tried foiling in similar conditions?
You might be surprised how much fun it is

A few years ago, same spot, same wind and sea state I did a 31 knot average speed nautical mile (34 knot peaks) on a slalom board with a cam race sail - for sure it was a blast.
Downwind carving those 2m windswells in the vid was just as challenging but way more fun

azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
10 Jan 2022 4:23AM
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CAN17 said..
Wow super video. JJ how many cm2 do you think your chopped 926 is? Looks fast and glidey.
I will be picturing you swimming in shorts tomorrow when I'm swimming in 2 degree water. Hopefully that doesn't sound wrong


Cheers Connor
It's about 1,050 cm2
I cut out 2x50 cm wide sections from the centre of the foil as I wanted to keep the tips.
Carves better at 830 width although I would like a 926 as well - Jesper rips on his with a small sail.
Covid supply issues have made it difficult for us to get the Phantasm wings we wanted.
Hopefully we'll get them soon.

It does sound a bit wrong but in a good way

azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
10 Jan 2022 4:45AM
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segler said..
Nice jibe at 2:55. Reverse foot is a good way to avoid disturbing the pitch trim during the jibe. Switch feet afterward. My jibes are terrible, so I will be working on this method this coming summer.

I really like the end of boom camera view. Yes, the downside is the swing weight of a camera out there a half meter behind the boom. I have made this kind of camera mount myself.

This year I will be trying the Clew-View camera mount. Lighter weight, and closer to the end of the boom for less swing weight. www.clew-view.com


Cheers
I gybe to turn around - Mr. Smooth has elevated it to an art form
Riding switch-foot down a swell until you feel stable on the new tack is definitely easier.

Thanks for the link - l might order one, it looks like it protects the GoPro which would be handy in the shorebreak.

KDog
361 posts
10 Jan 2022 9:43AM
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High wind foiling yea it's a thing would much rather be foiling than on a fin in that situation easier on the body but the get off's can be. Love when I can rig my 3.4 so much fun to throw a small sail around.

PhilUK
1098 posts
10 Jan 2022 7:34PM
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azymuth said..


PhilUK said..

Me too. Small Exocet Cross or Tabou 3S type board and 4.7-5m decent 5 batten B&J sail and it would be exciting blasting around. Foiling looks too slow to me.





Have you tried foiling in similar conditions?
You might be surprised how much fun it is

A few years ago, same spot, same wind and sea state I did a 31 knot average speed nautical mile (34 knot peaks) on a slalom board with a cam race sail - for sure it was a blast.
Downwind carving those 2m windswells in the vid was just as challenging but way more fun



Not yet, I'm still learning on bigger kit. Its not my intention to swap to foiling in strong winds, but you never know.
Whats the shorebreak like where you launch? For a 2m swell I guess you have a launch place somewhere a bit more protected?



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