Wondering what everyones thoughts are on the difference between a glider and a hybrid gun type thing other than the length. I have attached a pic of a hybrid gunny thing to show you what I'm talking about.
Big difference in glide boards I witnessed one out perform another at Kirra sometime back
Select to expand quoteMcHenry said..
What do you think the difference is?
I witnessed one guy two stroke paddle into waves and fly down the line.
I saw the other guy paddle like mad get to his feet and the other guy buzz past.
Oh outline shape, rocker and width were the difference as well as fin setup, one was a quad
the other single.
I'd say one is meant to generate speed while with a gun that doesn't matter
The glider is pretty much a small wave trim machine that is designed to go skip across a wave and generate speed. The gun doesn't need to generate speed, the wave will do it. You want volume in the glider so it sits on top and glides across the water, where as a gun that volume is a pain everywhere except for paddling.
A glider will carry the volume to the rails, which are likely to be soft as opposed to a harder edge on a gun.
The gun will also be foiled more in the nose and tail to get the volume down as to much and the rails will be hard to sink.
Select to expand quoteMcHenry said..
What do you think the difference is?
The rider
Select to expand quoteSP said..
I'd say one is meant to generate speed while with a gun that doesn't matter
The glider is pretty much a small wave trim machine that is designed to go skip across a wave and generate speed. The gun doesn't need to generate speed, the wave will do it. You want volume in the glider so it sits on top and glides across the water, where as a gun that volume is a pain everywhere except for paddling.
A glider will carry the volume to the rails, which are likely to be soft as opposed to a harder edge on a gun.
The gun will also be foiled more in the nose and tail to get the volume down as to much and the rails will be hard to sink.
at last, some who know something
Select to expand quoteSP said..
I'd say one is meant to generate speed while with a gun that doesn't matter
The glider is pretty much a small wave trim machine that is designed to go skip across a wave and generate speed. The gun doesn't need to generate speed, the wave will do it. You want volume in the glider so it sits on top and glides across the water, where as a gun that volume is a pain everywhere except for paddling.
A glider will carry the volume to the rails, which are likely to be soft as opposed to a harder edge on a gun.
The gun will also be foiled more in the nose and tail to get the volume down as to much and the rails will be hard to sink.
There's ways around having full rails and sinking rails. Chine for one.
Also squaring off the rails so the bottom of the rail has the radius of a much thinner rail, but instead of carrying that curve to a thin a rail it the heads vertical for a bit before then curving back into the deck.
My two 9'6" boards are semi-guns although both have different solutions to similar problems. I was in the factory recently and there was a 10' gun for a local charger next to my 9'6". Both boards were taken out of the same blank and had the same thickness, but the 10' board had every inch carried to the rail and made my board look svelte (at 3 7/8 - lol). The 10' had a much more forward of center wide Point. It was designed to get in early, point and shoot. Tom described my board as the "hot dogger" if guns although he was adamant it would surf 20 foot no worries.
funnily enough, it was the owner of the 10' board that made Tom completely redo my bottom after he said he liked the look of it and Tom thought "Uh oh...this is for Wade not Campbell."
My other 9'6" has a much flatter rocker profile and paddles around the line up significantly better as the Hoye 9'6" nose rocker pushes a bit of water, but once paddling into the wave the Hoye gets up and trimming way earlier (which means my pop is earlier), but the Yahoo is faster in a straight line on the face (although nowhere near as manoeuvrable around the pocket). The Yahoo, with way thinner rails, is more sensitive under foot, but doesn't turn as good as the Hoye with way way thicker rails.
bith boards are awesome at 6-10 and have never let me down, but they just do things differently.
never surfed a glider, butbthe vids make them look way more Point and shoot than the way a semi-gun performs.
Select to expand quotethedrip said..SP said..
I'd say one is meant to generate speed while with a gun that doesn't matter
The glider is pretty much a small wave trim machine that is designed to go skip across a wave and generate speed. The gun doesn't need to generate speed, the wave will do it. You want volume in the glider so it sits on top and glides across the water, where as a gun that volume is a pain everywhere except for paddling.
A glider will carry the volume to the rails, which are likely to be soft as opposed to a harder edge on a gun.
The gun will also be foiled more in the nose and tail to get the volume down as to much and the rails will be hard to sink.
There's ways around having full rails and sinking rails. Chine for one.
Also squaring off the rails so the bottom of the rail has the radius of a much thinner rail, but instead of carrying that curve to a thin a rail it the heads vertical for a bit before then curving back into the deck.
My two 9'6" boards are semi-guns although both have different solutions to similar problems. I was in the factory recently and there was a 10' gun for a local charger next to my 9'6". Both boards were taken out of the same blank and had the same thickness, but the 10' board had every inch carried to the rail and made my board look svelte (at 3 7/8 - lol). The 10' had a much more forward of center wide Point. It was designed to get in early, point and shoot. Tom described my board as the "hot dogger" if guns although he was adamant it would surf 20 foot no worries.
funnily enough, it was the owner of the 10' board that made Tom completely redo my bottom after he said he liked the look of it and Tom thought "Uh oh...this is for Wade not Campbell."
My other 9'6" has a much flatter rocker profile and paddles around the line up significantly better as the Hoye 9'6" nose rocker pushes a bit of water, but once paddling into the wave the Hoye gets up and trimming way earlier (which means my pop is earlier), but the Yahoo is faster in a straight line on the face (although nowhere near as manoeuvrable around the pocket). The Yahoo, with way thinner rails, is more sensitive under foot, but doesn't turn as good as the Hoye with way way thicker rails.
bith boards are awesome at 6-10 and have never let me down, but they just do things differently.
never surfed a glider, butbthe vids make them look way more Point and shoot than the way a semi-gun performs.
And you reckon quiver complete? ??
Select to expand quotethedrip said..thedrip said..SP said..
I'd say one is meant to generate speed while with a gun that doesn't matter
The glider is pretty much a small wave trim machine that is designed to go skip across a wave and generate speed. The gun doesn't need to generate speed, the wave will do it. You want volume in the glider so it sits on top and glides across the water, where as a gun that volume is a pain everywhere except for paddling.
A glider will carry the volume to the rails, which are likely to be soft as opposed to a harder edge on a gun.
The gun will also be foiled more in the nose and tail to get the volume down as to much and the rails will be hard to sink.
There's ways around having full rails and sinking rails. Chine for one.
Also squaring off the rails so the bottom of the rail has the radius of a much thinner rail, but instead of carrying that curve to a thin a rail it the heads vertical for a bit before then curving back into the deck.
My two 9'6" boards are semi-guns although both have different solutions to similar problems. I was in the factory recently and there was a 10' gun for a local charger next to my 9'6". Both boards were taken out of the same blank and had the same thickness, but the 10' board had every inch carried to the rail and made my board look svelte (at 3 7/8 - lol). The 10' had a much more forward of center wide Point. It was designed to get in early, point and shoot. Tom described my board as the "hot dogger" if guns although he was adamant it would surf 20 foot no worries.
funnily enough, it was the owner of the 10' board that made Tom completely redo my bottom after he said he liked the look of it and Tom thought "Uh oh...this is for Wade not Campbell."
My other 9'6" has a much flatter rocker profile and paddles around the line up significantly better as the Hoye 9'6" nose rocker pushes a bit of water, but once paddling into the wave the Hoye gets up and trimming way earlier (which means my pop is earlier), but the Yahoo is faster in a straight line on the face (although nowhere near as manoeuvrable around the pocket). The Yahoo, with way thinner rails, is more sensitive under foot, but doesn't turn as good as the Hoye with way way thicker rails.
bith boards are awesome at 6-10 and have never let me down, but they just do things differently.
never surfed a glider, butbthe vids make them look way more Point and shoot than the way a semi-gun performs.
And you reckon quiver complete? ??
? What do you mean quiver complete?
Select to expand quoteSP said..thedrip said..thedrip said..SP said..
I'd say one is meant to generate speed while with a gun that doesn't matter
The glider is pretty much a small wave trim machine that is designed to go skip across a wave and generate speed. The gun doesn't need to generate speed, the wave will do it. You want volume in the glider so it sits on top and glides across the water, where as a gun that volume is a pain everywhere except for paddling.
A glider will carry the volume to the rails, which are likely to be soft as opposed to a harder edge on a gun.
The gun will also be foiled more in the nose and tail to get the volume down as to much and the rails will be hard to sink.
There's ways around having full rails and sinking rails. Chine for one.
Also squaring off the rails so the bottom of the rail has the radius of a much thinner rail, but instead of carrying that curve to a thin a rail it the heads vertical for a bit before then curving back into the deck.
My two 9'6" boards are semi-guns although both have different solutions to similar problems. I was in the factory recently and there was a 10' gun for a local charger next to my 9'6". Both boards were taken out of the same blank and had the same thickness, but the 10' board had every inch carried to the rail and made my board look svelte (at 3 7/8 - lol). The 10' had a much more forward of center wide Point. It was designed to get in early, point and shoot. Tom described my board as the "hot dogger" if guns although he was adamant it would surf 20 foot no worries.
funnily enough, it was the owner of the 10' board that made Tom completely redo my bottom after he said he liked the look of it and Tom thought "Uh oh...this is for Wade not Campbell."
My other 9'6" has a much flatter rocker profile and paddles around the line up significantly better as the Hoye 9'6" nose rocker pushes a bit of water, but once paddling into the wave the Hoye gets up and trimming way earlier (which means my pop is earlier), but the Yahoo is faster in a straight line on the face (although nowhere near as manoeuvrable around the pocket). The Yahoo, with way thinner rails, is more sensitive under foot, but doesn't turn as good as the Hoye with way way thicker rails.
bith boards are awesome at 6-10 and have never let me down, but they just do things differently.
never surfed a glider, butbthe vids make them look way more Point and shoot than the way a semi-gun performs.
And you reckon quiver complete? ??
? What do you mean quiver complete?
McHenry has a new board coming and he reckons that will complete the quiver - I reckon he is dreaming.
He will live his new board for a while, then, when he thinks enough time has passed and She Whi Must Be Obeyed has forgotten or at least forgiven the cost, he will start dreaming about what difference a little more width here or less volume there will make and then...well the madness begins anew.
Select to expand quoteSP said..thedrip said..thedrip said..SP said..
I'd say one is meant to generate speed while with a gun that doesn't matter
The glider is pretty much a small wave trim machine that is designed to go skip across a wave and generate speed. The gun doesn't need to generate speed, the wave will do it. You want volume in the glider so it sits on top and glides across the water, where as a gun that volume is a pain everywhere except for paddling.
A glider will carry the volume to the rails, which are likely to be soft as opposed to a harder edge on a gun.
The gun will also be foiled more in the nose and tail to get the volume down as to much and the rails will be hard to sink.
There's ways around having full rails and sinking rails. Chine for one.
Also squaring off the rails so the bottom of the rail has the radius of a much thinner rail, but instead of carrying that curve to a thin a rail it the heads vertical for a bit before then curving back into the deck.
My two 9'6" boards are semi-guns although both have different solutions to similar problems. I was in the factory recently and there was a 10' gun for a local charger next to my 9'6". Both boards were taken out of the same blank and had the same thickness, but the 10' board had every inch carried to the rail and made my board look svelte (at 3 7/8 - lol). The 10' had a much more forward of center wide Point. It was designed to get in early, point and shoot. Tom described my board as the "hot dogger" if guns although he was adamant it would surf 20 foot no worries.
funnily enough, it was the owner of the 10' board that made Tom completely redo my bottom after he said he liked the look of it and Tom thought "Uh oh...this is for Wade not Campbell."
My other 9'6" has a much flatter rocker profile and paddles around the line up significantly better as the Hoye 9'6" nose rocker pushes a bit of water, but once paddling into the wave the Hoye gets up and trimming way earlier (which means my pop is earlier), but the Yahoo is faster in a straight line on the face (although nowhere near as manoeuvrable around the pocket). The Yahoo, with way thinner rails, is more sensitive under foot, but doesn't turn as good as the Hoye with way way thicker rails.
bith boards are awesome at 6-10 and have never let me down, but they just do things differently.
never surfed a glider, butbthe vids make them look way more Point and shoot than the way a semi-gun performs.
And you reckon quiver complete? ??
? What do you mean quiver complete?
Its the same crazy talk mac comes up with every 3 weeks!!!
After the newie I will have something to cover all bases. Sure I'll want some more but I usually sell a board to mostly fund a new one and I'm stoked on all my boards so won't be selling any anytime soon. This is the board I am basing mine off of. SO its not a full on gun. More of a hybrid semi gun type thing.
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McHenry said..
After the newie I will have something to cover all bases. Sure I'll want some more but I usually sell a board to mostly fund a new one and I'm stoked on all my boards so won't be selling any anytime soon. This is the board I am basing mine off of. SO its not a full on gun. More of a hybrid semi gun type thing.
And that would have to be one of the most magnificent lawns ever seen on Seabreeze.
Select to expand quoteMcHenry said..
After the newie I will have something to cover all bases. Sure I'll want some more but I usually sell a board to mostly fund a new one and I'm stoked on all my boards so won't be selling any anytime soon. This is the board I am basing mine off of. SO its not a full on gun. More of a hybrid semi gun type thing.
Pfft. That'll surf anything you dare paddle into it. But with the bottom and stuff you have described it will be good down the scale too. Tom says my board will surf 25 foot but it will never see it with me.
6-8 done easily is enough for the most part.
Youll love yours. When's it arrive?
