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fastest production 14foot dw racer

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Created by scotty100 > 9 months ago, 21 Jan 2012
miami
41 posts
27 Jan 2012 5:43PM
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laceys lane said...

miami said...

My brain is hurting from reading all these posts, also if someone was able to do
this test successfully, by the time they completed the tests and released the results
I'm sure every model of board that was tested will of had a new model done , all claiming to be faster then the older one. this would be a never ending test.
ouch! my brain is hurting again.


if it hurts, why do you do it


It's like a bad car crash, you don't want to look, but you have to.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
27 Jan 2012 8:00PM
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camo hosk said...

Crikey, must be still raining in the Sunshine State,

and CMC the boards in the test are available at other shops so not sure why you have to say just Rps and there's a brand or two their they dont stock.


Because in the test results it says they are presented by RPS or SHQ or whoever it is.

I honestly don't care, it's great that a retailer can help you guys out but I am offering you a reason as to why people have been critical of this test.

My suggestion was to make this bigger than it is.... Imagine if backed by a magazine you had access to every brand that may wish to have their boards tested. There is obviously great interest in the topic, it'd be a great feature for a magazine. It would be a great guide for buyers and retailers alike.

You guys can run the tests, the criteria is fine. I am just saying that while you only test half of the boards on the market your result really only tells you which board is the fastest of that 50%. If you had some support I reckon you could access the other half of the market also and turn it into a big thing....

Area10
1508 posts
28 Jan 2012 6:09AM
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laceys lane said:

"i'm suggesting testers stay off their 'own boards'. there's more to be gained by not paddling them imo".

This is an interesting and valuable suggestion, and it is easy to see why it might be made: Perhaps people will "sandbag" on all other boards than their own, or their familiarity with the board would mean that they are disproportionately good. It might be a particular problem where a majority of the testers are familiar with a particular board or brand.

But can I please suggest instead that the test be run with every paddler paddling every board, but that a record is made of how familiar each rider is with each board?

We can then examine statistically for an effect of this familiarity. It would allow us to see if familiarity is indeed an important factor in speed. Moreover, there might be a statistical interaction between familiarity and certain boards - in other words, that you need to learn how to get the best out of some boards, but with others, you can be fast straight out. It seems to me that this would be a valuable thing to know.

We can then statistically remove from the data the variance attributable to familiarity, and can then be as sure as we can be that the results we get are unaffected by a person's experience with a particular board (or indeed, brand).

It is much better to collect a dataset where all riders ride all boards, with no gaps in the data. For small trials like these, gaps in data are pretty fatal and you can easily end up with a dataset from which nothing can be deduced, and the whole effort is wasted.

It would be better to measure "familiarity" (say, rank order of the boards for each rider, according to the number of hours they will have spent on it) than "ownership" because, as has already been pointed out, many people have more than one board, or might have e.g. recently sold a board, or often used a friend's etc.

More broadly, I'd say that there are likely to be pretty sensible solutions to most of your concerns that can be taken care of when designing the experimental trial. So by all means express them, and we can collectively discuss the best way forward. Maybe if you have all had a say in the design of the trial, you may view the results with less scepticism.

And if there are those that doubt the results that PT Woody (or anyone else for that matter) discovers, or wants to compare the performances of boards not included in a particular trial, I would be very happy to help them design and analyse their own trial so that they can see for themselves.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
28 Jan 2012 10:07AM
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nah, it's all to hard.

lets just call it ' PT WOODY'S STARBOARD TESTING AND OTHER BOARDS'







disc. i don't believe it, but the title has a nice ring about it


ps scotty's got 2 starby new demo's up here , keen to try um

camo hosk
VIC, 613 posts
28 Jan 2012 12:03PM
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laceys lane said...

nah, it's all to hard.

lets just call it ' PT WOODY'S STARBOARD TESTING AND OTHER BOARDS'







disc. i don't believe it, but the title has a nice ring about it


ps scotty's got 2 starby new demo's up here , keen to try um


Yer, I like the sound of that,

as long as you blokes up there do your bit,

with the 'Lacey and CMC best surfing SUP of summer 2011/2012 shootout',

everything will be coveredand you couldn't find two blokes more qualified for the job.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
28 Jan 2012 11:09AM
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camo hosk said...

laceys lane said...

nah, it's all to hard.

lets just call it ' PT WOODY'S STARBOARD TESTING AND OTHER BOARDS'







disc. i don't believe it, but the title has a nice ring about it


ps scotty's got 2 starby new demo's up here , keen to try um


Yer, I like the sound of that,

as long as you blokes up there do your bit,

with the 'Lacey and CMC best surfing SUP of summer 2011/2012 shootout',

everything will be coveredand you couldn't find two blokes more qualified for the job.


CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
28 Jan 2012 11:09AM
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camo hosk said...

laceys lane said...

nah, it's all to hard.

lets just call it ' PT WOODY'S STARBOARD TESTING AND OTHER BOARDS'







disc. i don't believe it, but the title has a nice ring about it


ps scotty's got 2 starby new demo's up here , keen to try um


Yer, I like the sound of that,

as long as you blokes up there do your bit,

with the 'Lacey and CMC best surfing SUP of summer 2011/2012 shootout',

everything will be coveredand you couldn't find two blokes more qualified for the job.


You seem quite defensive Camo.

If you took the time to read my posts I have not criticised the tests at all merely suggested a reason why people have been critical. I also offered a way to maybe make it more fun for you by involving mags to distribute the info and gain access to many more boards to test.

Seriously mate, I'd love nothing more than to see this testing go above and beyond what it is. If that offends you, than sir, you leave me a little confused.

camo hosk
VIC, 613 posts
28 Jan 2012 3:23PM
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CMC said...

camo hosk said...

laceys lane said...

nah, it's all to hard.

lets just call it ' PT WOODY'S STARBOARD TESTING AND OTHER BOARDS'







disc. i don't believe it, but the title has a nice ring about it


ps scotty's got 2 starby new demo's up here , keen to try um


Yer, I like the sound of that,

as long as you blokes up there do your bit,

with the 'Lacey and CMC best surfing SUP of summer 2011/2012 shootout',

everything will be coveredand you couldn't find two blokes more qualified for the job.


You seem quite defensive Camo.

If you took the time to read my posts I have not criticised the tests at all merely suggested a reason why people have been critical. I also offered a way to maybe make it more fun for you by involving mags to distribute the info and gain access to many more boards to test.

Seriously mate, I'd love nothing more than to see this testing go above and beyond what it is. If that offends you, than sir, you leave me a little confused.


Fair enough, but by 'all will be covered' I meant flatwater down here, surf up there and then again that leaves out downwind so doesnt really make sense and was just some light humor if you can call it that,

CMC the time you take for your constructive input to this forum is a valuable thing and much better than I'm ever able or could do which is usually a quick skim read,

and yer there's always going to be boards missing from a test, all I can suggest is the reader may take some info from the test which is totally up to them in narrowing down some boards their interested in and demoing these boards against some that are available locally to them but wasn't in the test and deciding which is best for them,

if the tests are part of a magazine and people are paying to read it you'd want more than a few flatwater time trials IMO, so then even more open to criticism where as these tests are just some free info,

at least Woody now knows how Mike Sheehan feels after rating his top 50 footballers for the season,

and yes area10 would be well worth including what board each paddler owns or has owned as in PT's case every SB flatwater known to mankind,

anyway got to Fly,[and that wasn't a sneaky way to promote a board but I did read somewhere there pretty quick].



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