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fastest production 14foot dw racer

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Created by scotty100 > 9 months ago, 21 Jan 2012
scotty100
QLD, 233 posts
21 Jan 2012 3:54PM
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seen the results for the tested 12'6 race boards well put together by pt woody and the boys .has anything been done for the 14ft boards yet or has any one tried numerous 14 footers who isn't overly biased to one brand.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
21 Jan 2012 5:44PM
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Waiting on a board to arrive from Perth, being used in the Doctor today, and once that gets here, we aim to put the 14' Starboard, Naish and Fanatics and a a couple others through their paces.

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
21 Jan 2012 5:12PM
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Lacey would be an obvious choice to have a good go at this imo.

He has owned/paddled more boards than any other breezer and is independent and unbiased. He also does a fair amount of flatwater paddling vs downwinding.

Simondo
VIC, 8024 posts
21 Jan 2012 6:48PM
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Mikeman, if you and Lacey come up with the airfare and accomm, you'd be welcome to participate!

JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
21 Jan 2012 6:52PM
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Judging by the doctor results the 14 ACE is pretty quick!

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
21 Jan 2012 7:54PM
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JBFletch said...

Judging by the doctor results the 14 ACE is pretty quick!


That's the board we're waiting for. Hopefully Connor hasn't dinged it too much.

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
22 Jan 2012 5:08PM
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Simondo said...

Mikeman, if you and Lacey come up with the airfare and accomm, you'd be welcome to participate!


Not me - I have always supported locally made boards and see no reason to change this. You need someone truly independent and unbiased to do a proper evaluation on this.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
22 Jan 2012 6:20PM
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the way this post has gone the 'result' has already be made

to be honest, this isn't/can't be an independent trial. the personal from what i can see aren't independent.

shouldn't even bother imho

akhawk
WA, 1085 posts
22 Jan 2012 4:47PM
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JBFletch said...

Judging by the doctor results the 14 ACE is pretty quick!


It looked like the right choice of board for the conditions, however, if the "Dr" had delivered the goods (typically 20+knotts) I wonder if the 14 Ace would have been as successful and been the correct board choice.

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
22 Jan 2012 7:58PM
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laceys lane said...

the way this post has gone the 'result' has already be made

to be honest, this isn't/can't be an independent trial. the personal from what i can see aren't independent.

shouldn't even bother imho


You're assuming a lot.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
22 Jan 2012 7:03PM
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HumanCartoon said...

laceys lane said...

the way this post has gone the 'result' has already be made

to be honest, this isn't/can't be an independent trial. the personal from what i can see aren't independent.

shouldn't even bother imho


I suspect you're making some broad generalisations, based on a sample of one.


when one sees something like this from one of the testers, you tell me what one suppose to think please

quote ptwoody
'That's the board we're waiting for. Hopefully Connor hasn't dinged it too much'.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
22 Jan 2012 8:05PM
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laceys lane said...

the way this post has gone the 'result' has already be made

to be honest, this isn't/can't be an independent trial. the personal from what i can see aren't independent.

shouldn't even bother imho


I think I'm gunna go right ahead and take offence at this post if it's all the same to you.

Simondo
VIC, 8024 posts
22 Jan 2012 8:10PM
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I thought the testing was to include multiple paddlers anyway. Surely that balances out any perceived imbalances ?

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
22 Jan 2012 7:20PM
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i don't mean to offend any one, but surely you can see my point.

somebody who doesn't paddle or have any ties to production boards is a much better indicator.

by being a 'certain brand fan' tester you leave yourself open to critic's of the whole testing

credibility and probably piss of the other brands that don't rate that well while your at it

cheers

ps ie 'you' being any tester who is a certain production brand fan

scotty100
QLD, 233 posts
22 Jan 2012 7:20PM
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i'm not sure the dr was a true indication of 14 foot testing , I don't think any east coast paddlers had the oppurtunity to bring a 25inch wide flat water board just in case the wind didn't blow . if the test pt woody did was the same as the 12'6 i don't see how that can be called biased at all, different size riders and multiple runs its the best that anyone could do imo

rager
QLD, 437 posts
22 Jan 2012 7:32PM
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Sounds like a can of worms to me. Horses for courses might be an apt saying for this topic

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
22 Jan 2012 8:45PM
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laceys lane said...

when one sees something like this from one of the testers, you tell me what one suppose to think please




I'm not one of the test paddlers, nor am I a fanboy for any particular brand. My quiver (such as it is) consists of 3 boards from 3 different makers, one of which is Australian.

I did the timekeeping for the 12'6 trial that was so well-received here and internationally for its rigour. On the day it was clear every paddler went their hardest on every run and I think it is fair to say each was motivated by intellectual curiosity about the relative performance of the boards on test, rather than anything else. It's unfortunate we don't have access to every 12' 6 or every 14 available in the land, we sure wish we did, but there is absolutely nothing to impugn the testing that has been done, nor will there be in future tests.

You weren't at the last test session but I'm sure you'd be welcome at the next one, feel free to bring a couple of boards that you'd like to see included, take part as a paddler, and observe the process for yourself.

Rosscoe
VIC, 505 posts
22 Jan 2012 8:46PM
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I'm not sure why the criticism is being throw around here. I haven't gone back to the 12'6" test post, but I recall that there were 5 or 6 different paddlers each paddling the test boards over a set course, which was timed.

If the same methodology is applied to the 14' boards, then how can there be a pre-determined result? Is it implied that everyone is, say, dogging it when they paddle the Naish and busting a gut when paddling a Starboard? That seems to me to be the only way a result can be rigged. I know the people involved and that's not going to happen. Also, they did say "production board" test. I'm sure PT Woody and his "mythbusters" team would gladly do a "custom" 14'er test if various shapers want to provide a board or two.

Disclosure: I know those who did the original test, but wasn't involved in it.

However, I would be happy to donate my Jamie Mitchell prototype 14'er to the next test if PT Woody wants to include it. Not sure that it qualifies - it probably sits between custom and production, as I understand it was one of the prototypes (not the final one, I think) used to develop the JM Surftech board.

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
22 Jan 2012 7:47PM
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where are the results of the 12.6 boards???

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
22 Jan 2012 7:56PM
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Rosscoe said...

I'm not sure why the criticism is being throw around here. I haven't gone back to the 12'6" test post, but I recall that there were 5 or 6 different paddlers each paddling the test boards over a set course, which was timed.

If the same methodology is applied to the 14' boards, then how can there be a pre-determined result? Is it implied that everyone is, say, dogging it when they paddle the Naish and busting a gut when paddling a Starboard? That seems to me to be the only way a result can be rigged. I know the people involved and that's not going to happen. Also, they did say "production board" test. I'm sure PT Woody and his "mythbusters" team would gladly do a "custom" 14'er test if various shapers want to provide a board or two.

Disclosure: I know those who did the original test, but wasn't involved in it.

However, I would be happy to donate my Jamie Mitchell prototype 14'er to the next test if PT Woody wants to include it. Not sure that it qualifies - it probably sits between custom and production, as I understand it was one of the prototypes (not the final one, I think) used to develop the JM Surftech board.


my two cents on how to do it. a brand fan should not test his or hers 'own' brand.

they shouldn't even be allowed on 'it' for the whole testing period.

anyway i've said enough already

cheers

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
22 Jan 2012 7:59PM
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hahahahahhahahaha red thumbed for asking where the 12.6 test results are....what a wank

rager
QLD, 437 posts
22 Jan 2012 8:04PM
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Where are they being tested? Flatwater, downwind... If it's going to be on flatwater you're probably wasting your time as not many people (I know) would buy a 14 for flatwater. If it's downwind on the ocean it would be impossible to control all the variables.

Rosscoe
VIC, 505 posts
22 Jan 2012 9:05PM
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Well, each to their own views, I suppose.

I'm no big racer, just enjoy catching a few waves, doing the odd downwinder and the occasional flat water paddle - but I'm interested in seeing the results of these types of tests. These sorts of things help spur development.

SHQ
VIC, 322 posts
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22 Jan 2012 9:37PM
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Hey Rosscoe, no need to donate your Jamie Mitchell 14 for the test, Surftech are sending us a demo production board next week, which we'll make available for the test. Can't wait to take it for some training runs first though, before the SHQ Cruise to the Cerebus on February 12th

Cheers
Luke

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
22 Jan 2012 9:48PM
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husq2100 said...

where are the results of the 12.6 boards???


There's a link at the end of the first post in this thread:

www.seabreeze.com.au/

and here's a link to some discussion about the testing and protocol over on the zone

www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=13823.0

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
22 Jan 2012 8:57PM
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thanks HCartoon

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
22 Jan 2012 10:15PM
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SHQ said...

Hey Rosscoe, no need to donate your Jamie Mitchell 14 for the test, Surftech are sending us a demo production board next week, which we'll make available for the test. Can't wait to take it for some training runs first though, before the SHQ Cruise to the Cerebus on February 12th

Cheers
Luke


Hey Luke, how far off do you imagine the new Coreban race boards are? It would be great to include in the test.

As for Lacey's concerns, the one factor he overlooks is ego. I might be a Starboard fanboy but there's no way in hell I'm letting Warwick, Brenny or Hock beat my best time on a Fanatic. I'm far too much of a wanker to let that happen without a yelp.

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
22 Jan 2012 10:35PM
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PTWoody said...

As for Lacey's concerns, the one factor he overlooks is ego. I might be a Starboard fanboy but there's no way in hell I'm letting Warwick, Brenny or Hock beat my best time on a Fanatic. I'm far too much of a wanker to let that happen without a yelp.


I think I was trying to say the same thing, only with a little less frankness

Simondo
VIC, 8024 posts
22 Jan 2012 10:38PM
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www.supvic.com/sup-vic-rps-126-race-board-speed-test-results/




If you read it, you'll see the clarity of the test. Lack of bias, etc. Absolutely nothing stopping a similar test being carried out in Queensland, perhaps in the silky fast water at Currumbin Creek !

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
22 Jan 2012 9:55PM
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Simondo said...

www.supvic.com/sup-vic-rps-126-race-board-speed-test-results/




If you read it, you'll see the clarity of the test. Lack of bias, etc. Absolutely nothing stopping a similar test being carried out in Queensland, perhaps in the silky fast water at Currumbin Creek !


nah, the crew tend to focus on paddling faster. im the only board swapper

Simondo
VIC, 8024 posts
22 Jan 2012 10:57PM
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I remember doing a similar test with paddles. I couldn't even detect a time difference using dodgy self timing on a wrist watch with hands (analogue).



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