and more conducive surfing conditions.
Back to the timing of the event, if its all about the ISA in April and having the event closer to that, then why have it in November, 6 months before the ISA? I think all the states should run the surfing event in the best possible surf they can find, and to do that you want to do it in the best time of year for swell. I'm not saying we won't get waves in November, but do you think the ASP would run the Quicksliver Pro in November or the Pipe Masters in July? This event is not only here to show case Sup racing, but surfing as well. How many people do you think will go down and watch if we have 1 to 2' slop for the comp? It's equivalent of watching us do a 20km race on a 8' surf sup!! Anyway, I would like to hear some of the top surfers comments, not just the racing crew,or at least some comments from the local crew up there that can tell me what the chance of getting good waves are? In my opinion, the Goldy will be a great spot for the event! Just hope we get good waves, just remember its not all about racing! And yes, I will be there racing my 12'6". Rather do it on my 14' though!! And yes I am stoked the we now have a stand alone event and grateful to all involved for their hard work but it seems like the surfing is getting push to the side.
Spot on Ali,
I'm sure the states could run their own comps anytime of the year and then run the Aussies just before the ISA.
Cheers
Chris
Sorry to hijack but thought those planning the trip may be interested.
Just letting out a bit of teaser info for a major SUP event on the Sunshine Coast on the 2nd and 3rd of November. This will be on the weekend before the Australian SUP Titles. Thus making it the perfect lead in event for those travelling to Qld.
Lock the Date In To Your Diary
Name: "Top Secret at the moment"
Races
Fantastic Race Concept that will blow you away. This will cater for all:
Elite
Amateur
All Age Groups
Board Sizes
With a World Champ as Head Marshal.
Surf Comp
Catering for all divisions plus the ever popular 10' + division that we started last year. We intend to make this as big as the races.
Fantastic Location.
Prize Money
We are aiming at the largest prize pool for any Australian SUP Event. All Divisions Rewarded. More Info Soon
Function
We intend on throwing a great party at a fantastic location including many free drinks for all competitors and partners on the Saturday Night. This has not been done before and will included planned major door prizes. Function included with your event entry to keep the dollars in your pocket.
Expo: You will have to wait to hear more on this.
This is just the teaser so far. Just letting you all know to lock in the dates. If your coming to South East Qld for the Australian Titles this will make you trip all the more remarkable.
nsw
Racing - Elite Marathon (20km)
SUP Open Men (12'6) - Top 8 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games
SUP Open Women (12'6) -Top 4 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games
SUP Open Over 40 (14'0) - Top 5 Progress to Australian Titles
SUP Open Over 50 (14'0) - Top 3 Progress to Australian Titles
SUP 14'0 Open - Top 5 Progress to Australian Titles
Racing - Technical (4-8km)
SUP Open Men (12'6) - Top 8 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games
SUP Open Women (12'6) - Top 4 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games
SUP Open Over 40 (12'6) - Top 5 Progress to Australian Titles
SUP Open Over 50 (12'6) - Top 3 Progress to Australian Titles
Surfing
Open Men - Top 6 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games*
Open Women - Top 2 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games*
Open Over 40's - Top 5 Progress to Australian Titles*
Open Over 50's - Top 3 Progress to Australian Titles*
Qld
Divisions 17km:
SUP Open Men (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP Open Women (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP O/40 Open Individual (14' or under) - top four qualify
SUP O/50 Open Individual (14' or under) - top two qualify
SUP 14' Open (Mixed Gender) - top four qualify
BOP/technical
Divisions:
SUP Open Men (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP Open Women (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP O/40 Open Individual (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP O/50 Open Individual (12'6) - top two qualify
surfing
Open men - Top four qualify
Open women - Top two qualify
O/40 open - Top four qualify
O/50 open - Top two qualify
This could all be rumours so you can take it with a grain of salt..... In the past ive heard the allocations are based on Surfing Australia State Branch membership numbers, but i'm not sure whether affiliated club membership numbers are taken into account too?
Also I'm not sure how the other states process membership, but when you join Surfing Queensland, you have to nominate as either a 'shortboard' or 'longboard' member (so this might determine their allocations) but I'd love to see the option of Sup in there as well (unless they're one step ahead already as I haven't checked since I renewed last May).
To me for sup surfing... keeping a record of numbers of registered sup competitors within each state (rather than say numbers of people who shortboard/longboard surf) would be the most sensible way of dividing up limited allocations for national titles places, but also leaving a few wild card spots in every division to have the ability to include (a) top surfers who may unavoidably have to miss their state titles and (b) also to give surfing Australia the discretion to nominate top surfers from any state (based on alternative results) who may have just missed selection. (This allows for the fact that the number of high performance surfers in each state isn't always going to relate directly to membership numbers). IMO this would allow a good cross section of the competitive sup community across the country to participate and also ensure that all top "ranked" (not that there is a ranking system) sup surfers also had the opportunity to compete, maximising the benefit to spectators.
With respect the racing... I like the suggestion of open qualification for the marathon by completing your respective state title race over the same distance. And for the tech race, having 2 rounds, with seeded allocations from each state progressing straight to final and others who missed out on qualifying having to go through an elimination round to limit numbers in the final. If there's still concerns about too many numbers, Maybe qualified state reps (limited allocation) could pay a state team fee and others a slightly higher open entry fee (another benefit of qualifying for your team)?
These are just my thoughts and i'm Interested in what others thoughts on a selection process and allocations should or could be???
After all its one step at a time to grow the sport and the standalone titles this year is a great start!
Anyway, regardless of my opinions, this is the full allocation for all states from the Surfing Australia Rule Book for 2013 (unless anything has changed since it was printed in January).
^ sorry for the sideways image... First time uploading from iPad since the recent seabreeze changes.
Awesome!!!!! that this is now possible, so thanks Laurie
, but I need help on how to rotate it (its upright in the iPhoto album)
Great ideas Ali - I like the suggestion that the Tech Race has pre-qualified seeds from the states, and then a qualifying race at nationals for those chasing the wild card entries into the main race. Provides an opportunity at nationals for anyone injured or unavailable during states, or even for those who had a stinker at states.
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nsw
Racing - Elite Marathon (20km)
SUP Open Men (12'6) - Top 8 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games
SUP Open Women (12'6) -Top 4 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games
SUP Open Over 40 (14'0) - Top 5 Progress to Australian Titles
SUP Open Over 50 (14'0) - Top 3 Progress to Australian Titles
SUP 14'0 Open - Top 5 Progress to Australian Titles
Racing - Technical (4-8km)
SUP Open Men (12'6) - Top 8 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games
SUP Open Women (12'6) - Top 4 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games
SUP Open Over 40 (12'6) - Top 5 Progress to Australian Titles
SUP Open Over 50 (12'6) - Top 3 Progress to Australian Titles
Surfing
Open Men - Top 6 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games*
Open Women - Top 2 Progress to Australian Titles & ISA games*
Open Over 40's - Top 5 Progress to Australian Titles*
Open Over 50's - Top 3 Progress to Australian Titles*
Qld
Divisions 17km:
SUP Open Men (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP Open Women (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP O/40 Open Individual (14' or under) - top four qualify
SUP O/50 Open Individual (14' or under) - top two qualify
SUP 14' Open (Mixed Gender) - top four qualify
BOP/technical
Divisions:
SUP Open Men (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP Open Women (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP O/40 Open Individual (12'6) - top four qualify
SUP O/50 Open Individual (12'6) - top two qualify
surfing
Open men - Top four qualify
Open women - Top two qualify
O/40 open - Top four qualify
O/50 open - Top two qualify
Anyone found out if these numbers are still true?
Select to expand quoteRJK said..
Anyone found out if these numbers are still true?
Nothing's changed as far as I'm aware.
Select to expand quotePTWoody said..RJK said..
Anyone found out if these numbers are still true?
Nothing's changed as far as I'm aware.
Is there a reason they havent changed then? No offence but QLD has more of the top surfers and racers than any other state. Surely they should have the most numbers if not equal?? If the point of this event is peru selection then i would assume surfing australia would be after the highest talent attending aussies???
Spot on Ryan, last year NSW and QLD got equal racing allocations and to only have half those spots available to QLD open men's racing divisions this year seems a bit weird?
Might be a typo on the Surfing QLD website? Afterall I highly doubt the mens and womens allocations would be the same?
Looks like the rule book has a mistake for the men's tech race allocations for all states (they've copied the top line of the surfing allocations).
NSW has corrected this on their website, but Qld has followed it through and then repeated it for the marathon?
Has anyone contacted Surfing Qld/Aus directly to find out?
Select to expand quoteRJK said...PTWoody said..RJK said..
Anyone found out if these numbers are still true?
Nothing's changed as far as I'm aware.
Is there a reason they havent changed then? No offence but QLD has more of the top surfers and racers than any other state. Surely they should have the most numbers if not equal?? If the point of this event is peru selection then i would assume surfing australia would be after the highest talent attending aussies???
i agree Rhino, it seems pretty poor given the high standard in qld, to have 4 for 12'6 and 4 for 14 open... im guessing the 4 missing in 12'6 are taken up for all pro's going to Europe?? still, 4 is stuff all especially in marathon.
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Spot on Ryan, last year NSW and QLD got equal racing allocations and to only have half those spots available to QLD open men's racing divisions this year seems a bit weird?
Might be a typo on the Surfing QLD website? Afterall I highly doubt the mens and womens allocations would be the same?
Looks like the rule book has a mistake for the men's tech race allocations for all states (they've copied the top line of the surfing allocations).
NSW has corrected this on their website, but Qld has followed it through and then repeated it for the marathon?
Has anyone contacted Surfing Qld/Aus directly to find out?
This was the response to my email with the media release attached
Hi Ryan,
Here?s some more information about the event, which was released today.
In regards to the allocations, they?re set out in our rule book. This is consistent with other national title events.
Thanks,
Jake.
Ok thanks Ryan... but the rule book can't be completely right... because the rows and columns for the tech race don't add up (but you're an engineer too so I'm sure you've realised that already)!
So either it's a typo they haven't noticed (or someone at Surfing Australia need to learn to add).
Still think its maddness to cap out the qualification numbers ie about 5 or 6 of the top 10 competitors all are from QLD. Sometime in the future the event will go to one of the smaller (but no less derserving) states. When this happens I expect some of the competitors from places like QLD or NSW may not make the trip and are they going to tell the locals they cant participate??? Greater participation encourages development and also atmosphere on the beach. Some of the photos of the races in Hawaii give a sense of where things can grow to. Re the issue of timing the view needs to account for more than just the immediate future. I think there are some benefits to having a regular time in the calandar each year to run the event as it helps with planning for those attending as well create some sort of on/off season, particularly for the local racers who dont venture overseas. The month may not be the best for the Gold Coast but it will eventually do the rounds through different states and beaches.
Just something to think about.
Cheers
HV
Select to expand quoteRJK said..
No offence but QLD has more of the top surfers and racers than any other state. Surely they should have the most numbers if not equal?? If the point of this event is peru selection then i would assume surfing australia would be after the highest talent attending aussies???
I disagree with the 'surfer' bit. Apart from your top 3, I reckon NSW has more depth in every division and the numbers are warranted particularly for the 'age' divisions.
Flame suit on 
Select to expand quotegoatman said..RJK said..
No offence but QLD has more of the top surfers and racers than any other state. Surely they should have the most numbers if not equal?? If the point of this event is peru selection then i would assume surfing australia would be after the highest talent attending aussies???
I disagree with the 'surfer' bit. Apart from your top 3, I reckon NSW has more depth in every division and the numbers are warranted particularly for the 'age' divisions.
Flame suit on
Yeeww!!!! state of origin SUP style! gloves off at nationals!!
Select to expand quotegoatman said..RJK said..
No offence but QLD has more of the top surfers and racers than any other state. Surely they should have the most numbers if not equal?? If the point of this event is peru selection then i would assume surfing australia would be after the highest talent attending aussies???
I disagree with the 'surfer' bit. Apart from your top 3, I reckon NSW has more depth in every division and the numbers are warranted particularly for the 'age' divisions.
Flame suit on
Agree NSW is more top heavy with the Surfers (I think)
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Still think its maddness to cap out the qualification numbers ie about 5 or 6 of the top 10 competitors all are from QLD. Sometime in the future the event will go to one of the smaller (but no less derserving) states. When this happens I expect some of the competitors from places like QLD or NSW may not make the trip and are they going to tell the locals they cant participate??? Greater participation encourages development and also atmosphere on the beach. Some of the photos of the races in Hawaii give a sense of where things can grow to. Re the issue of timing the view needs to account for more than just the immediate future. I think there are some benefits to having a regular time in the calandar each year to run the event as it helps with planning for those attending as well create some sort of on/off season, particularly for the local racers who dont venture overseas. The month may not be the best for the Gold Coast but it will eventually do the rounds through different states and beaches.
Just something to think about.
Cheers
HV
We just have to remember this is not the normal regatta/carnival/event. Numbers are capped for a reason. (some say to stop the carnage in races. For the surfing to get through quickly)
Whether we agree or disagree it is the only event like this.
In the future it may be an open event.
Those in charge have their arguments on why it is so.
I think once we have more events happening around the country it wont be a worry.
Select to expand quotepetedorries said...goatman said..RJK said..
No offence but QLD has more of the top surfers and racers than any other state. Surely they should have the most numbers if not equal?? If the point of this event is peru selection then i would assume surfing australia would be after the highest talent attending aussies???
I disagree with the 'surfer' bit. Apart from your top 3, I reckon NSW has more depth in every division and the numbers are warranted particularly for the 'age' divisions.
Flame suit on
Agree NSW is more top heavy with the Surfers (I think)
Whose side are you on dorries??? Even if they are right we never agree with them!!!!!
