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Reducing yaw with fins

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Created by Th0m0 > 9 months ago, 15 Feb 2013
Th0m0
QLD, 529 posts
15 Feb 2013 5:35PM
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I've got a Naish 7'6. It's short and wide. Surfs good but the yaw when paddling is a killer. I've read Colas posts on paddling technique and adjusting stance to reduce yaw on shorter boards. Thats good info but it's going to take a bit of time to learn. I'm thinking I can get a quicker result by changing fins. The board comes standard as a quad. So here's the question. What will make it paddle straighter, A big centre with smaller sides (2+1 longboard setup) or a large thruster set such as shapers S9's?

Garethg
NSW, 406 posts
15 Feb 2013 7:52PM
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I reckon the S9's are too big, guessing your a lighter rider. I am 70kgs, ride the Hokua 8"3 and the Shapers S7's are the go.

It should straighten the board if you put foot pressure on the side of the board the paddle passes..

Th0m0
QLD, 529 posts
15 Feb 2013 7:38PM
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Thanks for the reply Garethg. I'm 85kg but your 8'3 would be a lot harder to stand on than the 7'6. While it's a foot an a bit shorter, it's 2" wider and an inch thicker. So you can see it's got a very curved outline which causes a lot of the yaw.
Where do you like your centre fin in relation to the sides?

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
15 Feb 2013 8:48PM
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Try standing a fraction more forward on the board and use slightly shorter paddle strokes.. Doing this would be better than using big fins IMO ..

DJ

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
15 Feb 2013 8:00PM
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try s9 centre fin and s7 sidies. a thruster /2 plus should paddle a bit straighter but i wouldn't be expect miracles

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
15 Feb 2013 6:02PM
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laceys lane said...
try s9 centre fin and s7 sidies.


I agree.

but you could always ask Teatrea

Th0m0
QLD, 529 posts
15 Feb 2013 8:26PM
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62mac said...
laceys lane said...
try s9 centre fin and s7 sidies.


I agree.

but you could always ask Teatrea


MickMc
VIC, 456 posts
16 Feb 2013 9:11PM
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A big centre fin set as far back as you can put it in the box will make it paddle straighter .... but harder to turn!

colas
5364 posts
16 Feb 2013 7:26PM
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Th0m0 said...

I've got a Naish 7'6. It's short and wide. Surfs good but the yaw when paddling is a killer. I've read Colas posts on paddling technique and adjusting stance to reduce yaw on shorter boards. Thats good info but it's going to take a bit of time to learn. I'm thinking I can get a quicker result by changing fins. The board comes standard as a quad. So here's the question. What will make it paddle straighter, A big centre with smaller sides (2+1 longboard setup) or a large thruster set such as shapers S9's?


Forget putting big fins, it wont help that much.

My best advice is to do your fitness flatwater sessions with your short board. Your body need time to "digest" the needed micro movements to counter the row. I did a lot of round trips to a nearby island (10km in 2+ hours), but I guess even 30m flat water paddling sessions will help. Just simple parallel feet stance, let the body accustomate to the board.

It is also a great way to paddle with your kids or wife or other beginners, to keep up with them on your 7'6".

What I found out is that, since the short boards have a limited top speed, you want to avoid wasting energy trying to go fast. What seem to work best is to reach far away and pull steadily the board in the water with a very long stroke, trying to keep a constant speed an minimizing the paddle-in-the-air time as the board brakes as soon as your paddle leaves the water.

Th0m0
QLD, 529 posts
16 Mar 2013 6:09PM
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Just a follow up on this post. The main problem I was having with the stock set up was that last paddle stroke to get me on the wave was spinning me off it (due to the yaw of the board, small back fins and no doubt a lack of technique on my part) and I was missing waves.

Stock setup



Me being me, I went to the extreme opposite to try and "fix" the problem trying a heap of different 2+1 and thruster setups. All othe 2+1 setups stopped me spinning off waves on take off but but they all really stiffened the board up a lot. Think losing your power steering in the car. I think it must be due to the channels this board has and I think that's why the stock fins are relatively small.




The thruster setup I tried didn't stop me spinning off the wave and didn't surf any good either. Anyway I finally decided to the board has to be setup with quads, so put a set of Gerry lopez fins in. They stopped me spinning but still felt really stiff. Finally remembered I had a set of GXQ's somewhere. Pulled em out and measured them. About 1/2 inch higher than the stock rears and are set back in the box a bit more. Surfed that setup this morning in some pretty decent head high waves and it felt really good. Still not as loose as the stock fins but I didn't miss any waves due to spin out. Maybe it's just that I'm getting used to the board but think I'll be keeping this fin setup in for awhile now.





colas
5364 posts
18 Mar 2013 12:28AM
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Th0m0 said...
Just a follow up on this post. The main problem I was having with the stock set up was that last paddle stroke to get me on the wave was spinning me off it (due to the yaw of the board, small back fins and no doubt a lack of technique on my part)


A trick is to realise that fins have no hold at low speed. So basically you must take car to make your first stroke extra carefully to not spin out, just to get the board moving forwards with enough speed so that the water "blows" enough around the fins for them to hold. Then, you can apply power on your second stroke...



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