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New Fanatic Falcon Flatwater

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Created by NNSUP > 9 months ago, 15 Jan 2014
NNSUP
NSW, 1263 posts
16 Jan 2014 12:45AM
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The newest thing from Fanatic. Soon to arrive here in Oz. Lots of testing by Jacko, Ange and Jake. There was lots of hype on the ocean Falcons and they exceeded all our expectations. Can't wait for this one.


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NNSUP
NSW, 1263 posts
16 Jan 2014 12:51AM
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Here's a few photos.









DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
16 Jan 2014 1:22AM
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Looks great.. Nice to see the end of pushing water..

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
16 Jan 2014 8:12AM
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i've had a go on it. its good, but i prefer the ocean board- just seems more paddle-able to me. dj i think all boards push water- the more bull nose boards just do it straight away where more displacement type boards spread it out down the rail.

i know one thing- displacement nose sup boards don't belong in the ocean where a well designed 'bullnose' ocean board does very well in the flats too


i think you really would want to be a dedicated flatwater paddler to get one of these.


they are good tho

RJK
QLD, 622 posts
16 Jan 2014 9:04AM
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I would love to try one downwinding. Although I think the bullnose is a really fun and fast board I think a shape like this flat water model would be quicker? Easier to paddle through/over chop or runs

paul.j
QLD, 3367 posts
16 Jan 2014 9:33AM
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no the bull nose board is faster dw and the new Flatwater is faster in the flat!

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
16 Jan 2014 9:34AM
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can't agree with you there- no company worth their salt are pursuing displacement noses as their ocean boards. flatwater shapes only barely work in slight conditions.

you only have to look at the aussie titles to see which boards rated there

supallday
84 posts
16 Jan 2014 7:41AM
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I'm with RJK id like to see it downwind.. I think the new fanatic DW board for sure is magical in real ocean downwind with big runners and direct winds but what about small short runners with often choppy messy stuff would the flat water nose not piece better keeping the board moving quicker ?? I'm no expert but sure am intersted would be great to see a video of the boards side by side downwind thanks jacko and jake if you can make that happen hahahaha

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
16 Jan 2014 10:42AM
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paul.j said..
no the bull nose board is faster dw and the new Flatwater is faster in the flat!


Sounds right to me.. Just wondering if the boof-nose is faster DW because it's more forgiving?

I like the flat deck and big tail.. When will we see one down here?

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
16 Jan 2014 9:43AM
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Nice little vid , would have been even better with more shots of the nice looking ladies

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
16 Jan 2014 9:45AM
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i talked to jacko about the board. its ok to dw but the purpose built dw is much better. that's from the man himself.


however if you don't want to believe , well buy it to dw

paul.j
QLD, 3367 posts
16 Jan 2014 9:49AM
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teatrea said..

Nice little vid , would have been even better with more shots of the nice looking ladies


I thought Jake was in there enough!!

paul.j
QLD, 3367 posts
16 Jan 2014 9:57AM
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DavidJohn said..

paul.j said..
no the bull nose board is faster dw and the new Flatwater is faster in the flat!


Sounds right to me.. Just wondering if the boof-nose is faster DW because it's more forgiving?

I like the flat deck and big tail.. When will we see one down here?



Yes and no.

It is more forgiving but thats not what makes this board so good DW, There is a reason it runs over bumps instead of trying to go through them!! I'm a little short of time today as trying to get ready to go to Perth but if i get time i will see if i can post the difference between the 2 noses.

Jacko

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
16 Jan 2014 11:19AM
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Good enough answer.. Thanks Paul.

kissa
NSW, 523 posts
16 Jan 2014 2:21PM
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Boards look great guys...

Now, just let me put my flamesuit on...

...can we please just flick the 12'6s and have 14ft boards for everything. Surely you could use either of these 14s in BOP races...

...just seems so dumb that we we need all these different length boards

- seriously, we are talking 18 inches

kissa
NSW, 523 posts
16 Jan 2014 2:22PM
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Sorry guys - don't mean to hijack the thread - just had the blurt it out.

paul.j
QLD, 3367 posts
16 Jan 2014 2:07PM
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kissa said...
Boards look great guys...

Now, just let me put my flamesuit on...

...can we please just flick the 12'6s and have 14ft boards for everything. Surely you could use either of these 14s in BOP races...

...just seems so dumb that we we need all these different length boards

- seriously, we are talking 18 inches


Sorry mate don't think it will happen well not this year anyway.

NNSUP
NSW, 1263 posts
16 Jan 2014 7:02PM
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DavidJohn said..

Looks great.. Nice to see the end of pushing water..


Don't know about pushing water DJ. Any conditions where there's rolling swell and side chop the bull nose glides beautifully. It's certainly one of the factors that's made the DW board so popular. Even in flatwater races it picks up runners and glides. This new nose is more specific for flat water but looking at the vid and talking to Quinny, Sebastion and Jacko I suspect it's not going to be too bad in small chop either.

We'll get a good idea when Steve Morrison does a time trial on it at JPP this weekend.

Bolero
NSW, 57 posts
16 Jan 2014 9:18PM
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Any body have an idea of $$$$ ?

PeterP
873 posts
16 Jan 2014 10:15PM
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Kissa got the most green thumbs!

Nice looking boards - What's the weight of those puppies? And are there any concaves? And what do the rails look like from center back?

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
17 Jan 2014 12:28AM
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PeterP said..

Kissa got the most green thumbs!

Nice looking boards - What's the weight of those puppies? And are there any concaves? And what do the rails look like from center back?


meh, alot of 14 foot fanboys.

Still dont think they belong in and out of surf. Even 12.6 is pushing it.

supallday
84 posts
16 Jan 2014 11:20PM
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Agree 14ft for the average joe is to big to be going in and out of any decent beach break in a congested race. Even In iron man they can the surf ski leg of the women's race when the surf gets to big because it just gets two dangerous.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
17 Jan 2014 7:41AM
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i'm not sure any sup belongs in any decent surf little lone a 12'6

Vasbyt45
5 posts
17 Jan 2014 6:20AM
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I'm new to this site and I hope you don't mind me joining in. Although I'm in yankeeland! I'm Not a true yank, but a South African, now living over here so go easy on me lads. The new board seems to have some similar qualities to the older 2013 Falcon and this I like. Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks as if there is not as much rocker as the 2013 Falcon, but the nose volume and cutting bow are similar. The new board as it sits in the water by itself, clearly has a little rocker, and the nose doesn't truly rest in, or even on the water. The nose sits slightly above, so Im thinking a little bump might be what this board needs for the nose to penetrate the water and for it to reach full potential. Maybe this is where it will shine the most, Flatwater with a slight bump. By watching the teaser vid on Fanatics site, the board looks quick but I'd like to know if they are faster than the older Falcons, preferably the 2013 Falcon 14x25 in comparison , and FYI I really appreciate the Aussie input you guys, much respect.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
17 Jan 2014 9:24AM
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husq2100 said..

PeterP said..

Kissa got the most green thumbs!

Nice looking boards - What's the weight of those puppies? And are there any concaves? And what do the rails look like from center back?


meh, alot of 14 foot fanboys.

Still dont think they belong in and out of surf. Even 12.6 is pushing it.



Maybe so. But I don't think a 12'6" belongs in a flat water distance race, a downwinder or an open ocean marathon. Even a 14' is pushing it.

The silly thing is, because a small minority of races take place in decent surf, all other forms of racing around the world gets compromised and the sport is stymied.

RJK
QLD, 622 posts
17 Jan 2014 8:46AM
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How do they compare stability wise to the Dw boards?

I know they are different widths so hard to compare but with wider tails how do they feel?

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
17 Jan 2014 9:37AM
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RJK said..

How do they compare stability wise to the Dw boards?

I know they are different widths so hard to compare but with wider tails how do they feel?



rjk, i thought it was less stable. maybe i'm used to these fuller nose boards now, but i kinda found i couldn't power up as readily with it feeling like the board was a bit uneasy.


having said that i only had a short paddle on in( the flatwater board)


cheers

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
17 Jan 2014 11:23AM
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PTWoody said..

husq2100 said..

PeterP said..

Kissa got the most green thumbs!

Nice looking boards - What's the weight of those puppies? And are there any concaves? And what do the rails look like from center back?


meh, alot of 14 foot fanboys.

Still dont think they belong in and out of surf. Even 12.6 is pushing it.



Maybe so. But I don't think a 12'6" belongs in a flat water distance race, a downwinder or an open ocean marathon. Even a 14' is pushing it.

The silly thing is, because a small minority of races take place in decent surf, all other forms of racing around the world gets compromised and the sport is stymied.


Never said it did. In another words dont limit the sport by 1 board. Of coarse there are exceptions to that, being the professional international races which probably needs some consistancy. I also dont think "they" care what happens on local events around the world. i.e. events all over Oz have the ability to set the classes as they see fit. The biggest hurdle would be pleasing the punters. No matter what the race, it always seems (well here on SB anyway) that someone wants another class to suit them.

I also dont think its the surf making the international races 12.6. My bet would be logistics being a large one, along with some corperate stuff. And I thought that there still plenty of 14foot and unlimited class races??? BOP long distance, Molaki, ISA distance, Maliko, just to name a few.

NNSUP
NSW, 1263 posts
17 Jan 2014 2:35PM
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laceys lane said..

i'm not sure any sup belongs in any decent surf little lone a 12'6


Love it Lacey.

NNSUP
NSW, 1263 posts
17 Jan 2014 2:42PM
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I think Kissa's really referring to the open ocean racing side when he talks to 14 footers. Correct me if I'm wrong Dave. Without diverting the thread open ocean racing would be better if we were all on 14s. Apples for apples rather than some racing 12'6" and others on 14s. Perhaps we need to start the thread again Dave.

With regard to how the new 2014 flatwater paddles, Jacko or Jake are probably the best to comment. I won't have a good go on it until the weekend. From all accounts it is faster than the 2013 board and side by side they are quite different. When the production board arrives I'll get some comparison photos up.

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
17 Jan 2014 4:06PM
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kissa said..

Boards look great guys...

Now, just let me put my flamesuit on...

...can we please just flick the 12'6s and have 14ft boards for everything. Surely you could use either of these 14s in BOP races...

...just seems so dumb that we we need all these different length boards

- seriously, we are talking 18 inches




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