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Kneeling Paddling Out

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Created by Piros > 9 months ago, 27 Oct 2010
goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
28 Oct 2010 5:17PM
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Haven't ever tried kneeling although have seen plenty of guys doing it.

If I want a quick exit and especially if I'm rooted, will prone paddle to get out of trouble. Feel pretty vunerable though, prefer to be standing with the paddle in hand. I do miss the ability to duckdive - especially paddling up the face of a monster with the lip about to throw...ugly[}:)]

Diver
WA, 554 posts
28 Oct 2010 2:49PM
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Depends I suppose, but generally start and stay on my feet.

If there is time, kneeling for the first minute or two on the way out gets your balancing right, especially if you haven't been out recently. And kneeling and prone paddling out is good just to get your breath back after being drilled / caught inside.

Coming in and getting onto the the reef at Yallingup it is easier to kneel or lie down whilst you wait for a break in the wash to get in and onto the reef around the lagoon.

pmorgan1974
NSW, 1080 posts
28 Oct 2010 9:05PM
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goatman said...

Haven't ever tried kneeling although have seen plenty of guys doing it.

If I want a quick exit and especially if I'm rooted, will prone paddle to get out of trouble. Feel pretty vunerable though, prefer to be standing with the paddle in hand. I do miss the ability to duckdive - especially paddling up the face of a monster with the lip about to throw...ugly[}:)]


true, getting a fat lip in the crouch is never a good thing..........

rahams
NSW, 544 posts
28 Oct 2010 11:23PM
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im on beachies 95% of the time and when the waves are top to bottom your going to get smashed sooner or later the only way out is prone

lost at sea
WA, 358 posts
28 Oct 2010 8:25PM
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depends

rahams
NSW, 544 posts
28 Oct 2010 11:37PM
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depends on what?

tortise said...

depends


Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
29 Oct 2010 12:00AM
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rahams said...

im on beachies 95% of the time and when the waves are top to bottom your going to get smashed sooner or later the only way out is prone


same.

If there's only a short gap between sets and its a bit bumpy, I'll go prone.

Shoulders need a workout from time to time.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
29 Oct 2010 1:25AM
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To be honest I've had to do the 'paddle of shame' (on my knees) a few times now and I always hope no one is looking..

DJ

colas
5364 posts
29 Oct 2010 6:11AM
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Or you can... duck dive standing up ;-)



This is part of the experiment on super short, low volume SUPs by Patrice Gu?nol? (6'3"). Cam is on the helmet, so he is fully submerged... www.gong-galaxy.com/magazine/news/how-to-real-stand-up-duck-dive/

rodriguez
VIC, 883 posts
29 Oct 2010 10:52AM
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I'm told Frank Latta use to duck dive 9 foot plus mals by walking forward to sink the nose and let the wave pass over him.

colas said...

Or you can... duck dive standing up ;-)



This is part of the experiment on super short, low volume SUPs by Patrice Gu?nol? (6'3"). Cam is on the helmet, so he is fully submerged... www.gong-galaxy.com/magazine/news/how-to-real-stand-up-duck-dive/




Daneli
QLD, 1538 posts
29 Oct 2010 10:18AM
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I used to paddle but went down in board size so I'm back to paddling prone . I don't kneel to often.

MIKO
QLD, 408 posts
29 Oct 2010 12:30PM
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DavidJohn said...

I always hope no one is looking..

DJ

bull****,

Swanie
QLD, 1372 posts
29 Oct 2010 7:04PM
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A mate said to me years ago:

"The best surfer in the water is the one having the most fun"

So for those learning or surfing in more difficult situations, do what you need to and care little for the impression you leave as long as you have respect for others. Unless your in a comp I really don't think many are at the beach critiquing your manner of getting through the break. And if they are care little for the impression you leave.

Said in the interest of not judging others who just want to have fun.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
29 Oct 2010 7:29PM
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i 'rip the bags out of every wave i surf' and i kneel sometimes too

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
29 Oct 2010 6:04PM
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laceys lane said...

i 'rip the bags out of every wave i surf' and i kneel sometimes too


So Lacey you must have improved from your shortboarding days

Sorry couldn't help myself AGAIN

Piros
QLD, 7211 posts
29 Oct 2010 8:20PM
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I've been working on paddling through an open face , letting the lip break over you and punching through the back,I've seen it done.I haven't quiet made it yet but I'm close have punched through.... but just been sucked back.

Paddle hard into the wave (on your feet) put your top hand forward , feet in surfer stance , break at the knees and turn your head to the side and rest it on your front arm and punch through the wave , if you don't rest your head on your arm the wave will push your chin into your chest (very bad for the neck)

Very possible give it a go if you are game

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
29 Oct 2010 8:24PM
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Piros said...

I've been working on paddling through an open face , letting the lip break over you and punching through the back,I've seen it done.I haven't quiet made it yet but I'm close have punched through.... but just been sucked back.

Paddle hard into the wave (on your feet) put your top hand forward , feet in surfer stance , break at the knees and turn your head to the side and rest it on your front arm and punch through the wave , if you don't rest your head on your arm the wave will push your chin into your chest (very bad for the neck)

Very possible give it a go if you are game


can you get someone to do a photo sequence of that- just the sucked back part will do

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
29 Oct 2010 8:27PM
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62mac said...

laceys lane said...

i 'rip the bags out of every wave i surf' and i kneel sometimes too


So Lacey you must have improved from your shortboarding days

Sorry couldn't help myself AGAIN


haha, looks like the thumb phantom has taken it seriously- pmsl

JBay
13 posts
29 Oct 2010 6:55PM
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Hey, good discussion. Coming from surf rescue backround I'm tending to kneel heading out, especially when it's big. Now I can comfortably/ reliably head out on my knees and 'pop' the board over a good few feet of white water. I lean back to take a bit of weight off the front and dig in the paddle. Just a little tip....shut your legs otherwise you tend to get one in the breadbasket. I've also found wearing booties cushions the soft upper of your feet against the deck grip. I've had to power out in some big swell of late and have no problem kneeling heading out.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
29 Oct 2010 9:39PM
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just standing up- luxury. back in my day, why we had to paddle out on our tiptoes, even got it down to just the two big toes and a blindfold and a backpack of lead sinkers. tell that to young people today and they wont believe you
cheers

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
29 Oct 2010 7:40PM
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laceys lane said...

62mac said...

laceys lane said...

i 'rip the bags out of every wave i surf' and i kneel sometimes too


So Lacey you must have improved from your shortboarding days

Sorry couldn't help myself AGAIN


haha, looks like the thumb phantom has taken it seriously- pmsl


Well it is Friday night Lacey and its time for a little fun Just love
my weekends

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
29 Oct 2010 9:43PM
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62mac said...

laceys lane said...

62mac said...

laceys lane said...

i 'rip the bags out of every wave i surf' and i kneel sometimes too


So Lacey you must have improved from your shortboarding days

Sorry couldn't help myself AGAIN


haha, looks like the thumb phantom has taken it seriously- pmsl


Well it is Friday night Lacey and its time for a little fun Just love
my weekends



nah, not you, the person who thumbed me

have a good time
cheers

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
29 Oct 2010 7:56PM
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I gave you the green one ,enjoy

Casso
NSW, 3774 posts
29 Oct 2010 11:11PM
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I try and stand as much as possible but with Sydney's beach breaks it can be pretty hard. I'll often prone paddle with my paddle blade under my chest. You can put your head down and push through the smaller white water or sit back, raise the nose up and push over the medium ones. The big ones you just have to bail but it is better to quickly stand up and dive off so you can get a bit of depth.

I never knee paddle anymore (I did a bit when I was a beginner on my 11 footer). There is too much resistance when you get hit by the white water. It's killer for your knees and tops of your feet and you can get pushed backwards which can rip your toenails out (from experience).

Bnaccas
VIC, 1722 posts
29 Oct 2010 11:46PM
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Piros said...

I've been working on paddling through an open face , letting the lip break over you and punching through the back,I've seen it done.I haven't quiet made it yet but I'm close have punched through.... but just been sucked back.

Paddle hard into the wave (on your feet) put your top hand forward , feet in surfer stance , break at the knees and turn your head to the side and rest it on your front arm and punch through the wave , if you don't rest your head on your arm the wave will push your chin into your chest (very bad for the neck)

Very possible give it a go if you are game




Yeah I have been doing this but not on waves big enough for me to worry about my head. Usually the close out lip will hit me in the hips and it doesn't seem that bad. I'm yet to try it on anything much bigger than 3ft.

I'll always start paddling out on my feet but if I get smashed and continue to get stuck on the inside I'll have a go on the knees. But like others have said prone is easier to punch through white water due to the resistance the knees/hips cause when kneeling.

If I go for a dawny, I'll paddle for maybe 20m on the knees to get rid of the "still half asleep wobbles" and then get to my feet.

Each to their own IMO, no right or wrong really.

p.s. Good to see the forum hasn't changed after a short break away

PT SUP
117 posts
29 Oct 2010 8:53PM
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Its interesting watching the Hawaiians at last years Noosa Fest.Standing all the time no matter what,lot of the Aussie guys would complete their wave and be straight on the knees or prone paddle with the paddle under the chest.

As you read the international judging criteria -- the ride has not finished untill the surfers have returned to the take of,points will be deducted for not negotiating broken waves standing.

MIKO
QLD, 408 posts
29 Oct 2010 11:53PM
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PT SUP said...

Its interesting watching the Hawaiians at last years Noosa Fest.Standing all the time no matter what,lot of the Aussie guys would complete their wave and be straight on the knees or prone paddle with the paddle under the chest.

As you read the international judging criteria -- the ride has not finished untill the surfers have returned to the take of,points will be deducted for not negotiating broken waves standing.



you are talking Noosa at 2-3 ft, the topic was beachies, small difference in board management

Clarky
QLD, 295 posts
30 Oct 2010 9:58AM
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Had a surf this morning at a secret location on the gold coast with a few mates and was ridiculed for paddling back out kneeling (they were really mean) . Generally where I surf, the shoreys pretty tough to get through and I find that going from wading waist high in the water to jumping on my knees and paddling is the quickest way for me to get through the shorey. Once in the gutter I stand and take on the outside bank.

surfydad
QLD, 166 posts
30 Oct 2010 4:12PM
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Are there anymore secret locations on the Goldy??

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
30 Oct 2010 5:40PM
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Piros said...

I've been working on paddling through an open face , letting the lip break over you and punching through the back,I've seen it done.I haven't quiet made it yet but I'm close have punched through.... but just been sucked back.

Paddle hard into the wave (on your feet) put your top hand forward , feet in surfer stance , break at the knees and turn your head to the side and rest it on your front arm and punch through the wave , if you don't rest your head on your arm the wave will push your chin into your chest (very bad for the neck)

Very possible give it a go if you are game




what wave size are you talking about....I cant see it being any advantage on up to 3 feet maybe 4 over the normal standing and punching the board through with legs clipped by lip, rest of body out of the water/wave

Serg



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