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Fear and Loathing in the Lineup

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Created by doggie > 9 months ago, 24 Apr 2012
Leroy13
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26 Apr 2012 8:09PM
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doggie said...

24 April 2012 11:06 AM
Sunday 22nd April, Point Cartwright Sunshine Coast. Surf 4-6 foot with a relaxed and easy going small crowd. Amongst us were two SUP riders, both very competent riders. Until one decides to get cocky and sit in the main cluster close to a sucky rock shelf. The first waves of the set come through and clean up those sitting on the inside edge of the take off zone. The SUP rider clumsily turns his craft into a late take off and proceeds to nose dive the board into the path of other surfers duck diving and trying to avoid the take off zone.
The SUP and rider lands on top of another surfer who was warning him very vocally that he was in the way. Something either a fin or a paddle slices a 15cm gash in the calf of the poor bastard who got in the way, this gash split the calf right down to the tendons. An Ambulance was called and the victim was carted off for surgery and a long lay off from the water.
I have seen too many encounters this one by far the worst involving SUPs in critical zones.
How long will it be before a permanent disability or death becomes a headline due to the stupidity of irresponsible SUP riders?






SUP riding in crowded surf is just another chapter in the evolution of greed in surfing and in the line-up. Before SUPs it was PWCs and tow-ins and before that it was wave skis and in many cases mals.

Its good that people surf and on different boards but the reality is some do not mix without lots of common sense and respect and folks that is where it falls apart.

Locally, SUP riders have pretty much taken over two breaks and regularly surf 4 or 6 others. Everyone I have spoken to about their presence on the coast hates it but they seem powerless to anything about it.

For what its worth I believe SUPs and wave skis should not be permitted to surf amongst surfers on small boards just like PWCs are banned but that will not happen unless there are deaths or riots or both.



##it's not an article, it's off a forum like this one. Here are the juiciest bits




Pt Cartwright was my local for around two and a half years when I was living on the Sunshine Coast. If any of the Surfers were half way decent at that size they would have been out sitting on the Shelf (around 200 metres further around the point and one of Kong's favourites. I'll put up with a certain amount of stupidity but blaming the SUP riders for the inabilty of Shortboarders to read the conditions is pathetic. I surf a SUP because of a long term back injury and still secretly harbour hopes of surfing a very voluminous shortboard when the back is completely healed from the operation. Like Ocka and co, I surfed shortboards for a long time and marvel at the abilties of the young crew now. Unfortunately that's about 10% of the total out in the water. The rest are wannabes with big mouths. For all we know you might be the greatest kook out? Give us all a break, the joke's over there are far more injuries from rogue shortboarder and mal kooks than SUPs. Check SLSC statistics. We all make mistakes, yes he should have been further away but any halfway decent surfer would have been able to read what was going to happen and protect himself even if it meant getting his board fin chopped or rolled along the rocks, (which by the way could have been the culprit of the gash having had some experience with getting rolled along the point in a couple of large swells.) Sounds like he was to busy mouthing off instead of thinking!!! Bit of Karma perhaps??

Sparx
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26 Apr 2012 9:04PM
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Well said Leo but..........why bother?
Its like dealing with poorly trained Chimpanzee's. Just when you reckon they might be getting the message, here we go again! Stand Ups are the root of all evil, their going to change the surfing world as we know it..blah blah..blah blah blah. According to the jabbering few, personal responsibility is a thing of the past both on the part of the transgressor and those who witness the transgression and as the most visible representatives of the Stand Up community, we, the users of this forum need to take responsibility for the glaring stuff ups of the very few. Happy to do that if a few of the high profile haters are happy to stand up and take responsibility for the transgressions of all short/long boarders. How bout it? Heard the Superbanks a zoo on a decent swell, know for a fact Winki is a breeding ground for short board aggro and entitlement issues. How bout Burleigh, Kirra, The Pass, Tallows, Narrabeen, Cronulla Point, Ulladulla, Caves, North Point, Jakes and any other break where more than one self appointed alpha short/longboarder find themselves in the company of like minded souls.
Here's a thought...clean up your own back yard before you stick your nose under the fence into mine!!
Cheers
Sparx

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
26 Apr 2012 9:42PM
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Too true Sparx. Had a big day dealing with morons at work. I found this thread amusing at first, but when I read that incompetents get caught inside, then whinge about only possibly getting hurt by a SUP!!!!! Fin or paddle what was it? As Phill said in another thread we should be more positive on this forum Does anyone go into the shortboarders forum and call them small penised beginners?? Maybe we should go there and start talking about the old days when you surfed without legropes , Wetsuits weighed 25kg wet and people learned to read the ocean to prevent long swims?? Sorry got the sh11ts with people that have no life experience and find amusement in bagging others rather than praising their own pursuits. I think I am possibly subconciously channeling Ocka's comment

BulldogPup
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26 Apr 2012 7:46PM
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ockanui said...

After reading the short board forum, I think there is a slight mongrel canine "doin a bit of froth'n" about feeding the chooks um er Suppers with two bob fodder.
Seriously not sure what the motive is? a bit of friendly banter between all fellow surfers? nah its just fuelling more banal comments that end up as punchups in the carpark?
What's the point, give me the old days when surfers were all surfers and the common thread was against a mainstream and aggressive thought process which now seems to prevails by certain sections of the surfing fraternity about their rights of ownership of the waves.
There was a great song way back... "you have to have a membership card to get inside" the old ethos of surfing was get ****ed... don't have a ticket, don't tell me to do...


farken A - Farken A ....... +1

Sparx
VIC, 734 posts
26 Apr 2012 9:56PM
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Ha!!!
Just about the same Leo. Been watching this one all day and to tell truth, kinda agreed with the sentiment of the original article quoted. Pezzman is a bit of a legend, like a Seppo Witzig or Falzon. His message was that we, all, as surfers need to work our way through this stuff otherwise the decision making gets taken out of our hands and that aint gonna end well for anyone, short, long, kneeling, prone, standing or stand up. Wondered how long it would take the mutt to cut and paste that bit of Point Cartwright propoganda from the short board forum and drag it over. Not long at all!!
Cheers
Sparx

matt18
VIC, 534 posts
26 Apr 2012 10:17PM
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looks like the dog needed some training at work


Simondo
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26 Apr 2012 10:38PM
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OG SUP said...

Doggie,

Kristi just went with the SEDA kids for a 4 day weekend away down the coast.

These kids all shread on different kinds of craft strangely enough they all get along.

Longboarders, short boarders, hand planers, eski lidders and 1 stand up paddler, they all tried each others equipment and had a ball even in the freezing cold with pelting rain.

They all tried out Kristi's SUP and only one could catch waves on it, he had such a great time he was out for 45mins.

They all agreed that now they had a better idea of how hard SUP was that its quite difficult just to stand up let alone rip on one.

When I picked up Kristi they were all reliving smokin waves and having a great time just friends living life and loving it.

Makes me think a few people could learn a lot from these kids!

Just because you have an advantage doesnt mean you have to exploit it.

People create their own fear and loathing, they can choose to create cooperation and collaboration instead.

Phill



And they were sleeping in my big tent, and we will probably never know what happened when the sun went down !!!

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
26 Apr 2012 10:40PM
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doggie, what crock of ****. i've seen 3 guys take of directly over the top of 5 guys at the bottom of a wave, then the same thing on the next wave and the next too. as a matter of fact the whole set of waves was the same thing. absolute carnage .

guess where -snapper.

NONE OF THOSE GUYS GAVE A **** OR A SECOND THOUGHT FOR THE POOR SODS AT THE BOTTOM COPPING IT.

respect my ass

CLEAN UP YA OWN BACKYARD MATE.


btw way, feel free to cut and paste this in the shortboard forum

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
26 Apr 2012 8:43PM
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laceys lane said...

doggie, what crock of ****. i've seen 3 guys take of directly over the top of 5 guys at the bottom of a wave, then the same thing on the next wave and the next too. as a matter of fact the whole set of waves was the same thing. absolute carnage .

guess where -snapper.

NONE OF THOSE GUYS GAVE A **** OR A SECOND THOUGHT FOR THE POOR SODS AT THE BOTTOM COPPING IT.

respect my ass

CLEAN UP YA OWN BACKYARD MATE.


btw way, feel free to cut and paste this in the shortboard forum


laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
26 Apr 2012 10:57PM
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mac,i remember a three week swell a few years that peaked on the last day. i'm talking super bank in its heyday. i read about rabbit talking about it being absolutely nuts in one the surf rags.

lm right through to greenie was turning inside out


anyway one guy paddling out says aloud to no one in particular-' i can't believe the drop ins on guys getting shacked off their brains.

some the stuff i saw guys doing that day was the worse i have ever seen in all my years of surfing the southern end

BulldogPup
6657 posts
26 Apr 2012 9:03PM
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laceys lane said...

doggie, what crock of ****. i've seen 3 guys take of directly over the top of 5 guys at the bottom of a wave, then the same thing on the next wave and the next too. as a matter of fact the whole set of waves was the same thing. absolute carnage .

guess where -snapper.

NONE OF THOSE GUYS GAVE A **** OR A SECOND THOUGHT FOR THE POOR SODS AT THE BOTTOM COPPING IT.

respect my ass

CLEAN UP YA OWN BACKYARD MATE.


btw way, feel free to cut and paste this in the shortboard forum



get that up ya - ya flea infested Poodle

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
26 Apr 2012 11:11PM
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BulldogPup said...

laceys lane said...

doggie, what crock of ****. i've seen 3 guys take of directly over the top of 5 guys at the bottom of a wave, then the same thing on the next wave and the next too. as a matter of fact the whole set of waves was the same thing. absolute carnage .

guess where -snapper.

NONE OF THOSE GUYS GAVE A **** OR A SECOND THOUGHT FOR THE POOR SODS AT THE BOTTOM COPPING IT.

respect my ass

CLEAN UP YA OWN BACKYARD MATE.


btw way, feel free to cut and paste this in the shortboard forum



get that up ya - ya flea infested Poodle


He can because his boss lets him have access to this forum!! Or does he??

Bnaccas
VIC, 1722 posts
27 Apr 2012 1:23AM
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matt18 said...

doggie said...

matt18 said...






Lol havnt seen a pair of them for ages, do people still use them and do they work?


maybe they might make a comeback with all the sups around - more power


Na that would make them powered watercraft and ban them from break on the Californian coast!
Then the breaks would be empty for the boogers!

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
27 Apr 2012 8:38AM
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Doggie is just being himself, a




doggie
WA, 15849 posts
27 Apr 2012 8:39AM
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laceys lane said...

doggie, what crock of ****. i've seen 3 guys take of directly over the top of 5 guys at the bottom of a wave, then the same thing on the next wave and the next too. as a matter of fact the whole set of waves was the same thing. absolute carnage .

guess where -snapper.

NONE OF THOSE GUYS GAVE A **** OR A SECOND THOUGHT FOR THE POOR SODS AT THE BOTTOM COPPING IT.

respect my ass

CLEAN UP YA OWN BACKYARD MATE.


btw way, feel free to cut and paste this in the shortboard forum


Suckers

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
27 Apr 2012 8:42AM
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BulldogPup said...

laceys lane said...

doggie, what crock of ****. i've seen 3 guys take of directly over the top of 5 guys at the bottom of a wave, then the same thing on the next wave and the next too. as a matter of fact the whole set of waves was the same thing. absolute carnage .

guess where -snapper.

NONE OF THOSE GUYS GAVE A **** OR A SECOND THOUGHT FOR THE POOR SODS AT THE BOTTOM COPPING IT.

respect my ass

CLEAN UP YA OWN BACKYARD MATE.


btw way, feel free to cut and paste this in the shortboard forum



get that up ya - ya flea infested Poodle


Well there's more than one side to the story,

27 April 2012 09:07 AM
G'Day all,
Well unfortunately I was the unlucky one in the way last Sunday. I'd been surfing for about 3 1/2 hours and honestly it was about as good as the Carties breaks get. Wasn't spending much time on the section that is Carties. I was getting most of my waves from Platties and halfways. Managed to shimmy across one right through into Carties and rode all the way through.

As I pulled off a couple of young kids on lids (I think, it's a bit of a blur) were paddling out near me. We came over the next wave and the SUP was slowly turning to catch a wider wave. He really had eyes only for the wave and was watching over his shoulder as the wave came up behind him. I couldn't get inside him cos of the guys inside me so had to go wide or get mown down. The wave jacked a bit more than he thought so to compensate he changed his entry angle to wider angle. Basically straight at me. In all this time he never once looked toward his path he would take. At the last second he realised he was going to run me over and just jumped off his board. I duckdived as deep as I could but must have left my left leg up as you do, and got smashed by, I guess, his fin. I felt instantly sick in my guts and my leg was agony. I surfaced and gave him a verbal spray. Lifted my leg out of the water so he could see it. "Look what you've ****in done to my leg" His reply was,

"Well you shouldn't have been in my way" !!!!!!!

He then grabbed his board and paddled away leaving me to make my own way in to the rocks. Blood was pulsing out of a 10cm gash in my lower calf. A couple of people helped me out over the next hour to get me to hospital. (Big thanks to all involved, you know who you are if you read this) Ordeal was not over yet...

Doctors advised me that the cut was so deep that I would require surgery. The bone and surrounds would need to be cleaned properly or infection was a good possibility. I was put on the surgery list. Unfortunately/fortunately I was a fairly low priority and spent the next 3 days getting bumped by more urgent cases. No food or water until 8 pm each night until it was certain I wouldn't be operated on that day. Finally Tuesday arvo operation was performed and here I am stitches, crutches and no surfing for I'm not sure how long.

To reply to some of the speculation on this thread...
I've been surfing 30 years.I don't rip but I go ok. I've made some good decisions in the water and some bad ones... like most of us I reckon. I have gotten in peoples way over the years and people have gotten in my way, it just happens sometimes.
The previous morning I surfed the open beach at Buddina. It was bigger Saturday and to be honest was probably outside my comfort level, but I took it on. I only mention this to refute claims I should have duckdived the wave rather than paddle for the shoulder into SUP's path. It just played out that way. I have no problem duckdiving 4 foot waves. I just had little choice and judged that Sups entry angle he should clear me, until he changed angle.
When Carties gets bigger and the swell is straight out of the east there can be waves that break tight to the rocks (the better ones) or there can be bigger wider fatter ones. So Carties does not break down the same path every time. When you pull off a wave you are where you are.
MrsBradPitt it was a strange swell as Carties/Platties was very good (strange) and the crowd was way down on normal numbers.

A few thoughts...

If there's someone in your way, and there is doubt you can get around them, pull back, it's just a wave. If someone sits inside and doesnt move when your trying to take off, give them a spray but pull back. It's just a wave. At least once anyway.
If someone is coming straight for me from now on I'll be protecting my body before my board. It's just a board.
If you injure someone in the surf, even if you believe you were not at fault, help them to the beach. Paddling away is a dog act. Face what you have done even if you are copping a spray. I gave this guy a mouthful, but if he helped me and showed a bit of remorse it would have been such an improvement on what actually went down.

I'll get better and be surfing again soon and was very very lucky. Another 2 inches down and my ankle would probably been crushed. It was a big impact. I hope the SUP got a good look at the damage inflicted and he had a rethink of his actions later on.

Wanna see some photos???

Poida



matt18
VIC, 534 posts
27 Apr 2012 11:03AM
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hey doogie lets hear a story about you, rather than the old cutting and pasting

BigSpazz
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27 Apr 2012 11:07AM
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newguy
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27 Apr 2012 9:17AM
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I was on a bank last year summer with basically no one out except a SUP'er who was a couple metres down around another peak. A bigger wave than normal came through so I turned around and started paddling. Guess whom had raced over. Ettiquette indicates that I was closest to the peak too because I could see the wave start to break to my left whereas the SUP'er was coming from my right.

Next thing I hear is screams of 'yep yep' and him being atleast an arms width away charging down. I pulled out last minute but got taken over the falls and I guess knocked him off his wave. Guess what I got. A mouthful about how big and dangerous getting in his way was for me. He then paddled down to the point.

To this day, I harbour a great distrust of people on SUP's. No one else out on the beach in small conditions and he decides to head where I was. Even worse are those whom are in amongst the line up. They have no place there.

matt18
VIC, 534 posts
27 Apr 2012 11:29AM
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should have gone, then it would not have happened- if its you wave do not hesitate just go.
there are plenty of stories going around- it seems to be a bit of the volvo effect
it's like saying all colloingwood supporters are dicks and melbourne supporters love the snow

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
27 Apr 2012 9:35AM
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matt18 said...

hey doogie lets hear a story about you, rather than the old cutting and pasting


Ive got a couple of not funny ones about goat boats, my main beef with SUPs is they can and some of the more inconsiderate SUPers will do it all the time and sit out the back and take every set wave, you know the old mal trick. Real nice.
Also not long ago had a bloke on a SUP at Trigg Point with no leggie on and just surfing through packs of people, tbh this is not on even in small waves as an untethered SUP has a massive sweep.

Ive never been hit by a SUP but I dont want to either

Scotty88
4214 posts
27 Apr 2012 9:35AM
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But who has right of way ?

newguy
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27 Apr 2012 9:35AM
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I know mate, should of but I was still a beginner back then(hence heading out in small stuff when no one would bother) and even if I understood surfing etiquette etc, the site of an SUP charging at/ next to you is kind of intimidating. Worse was I've had this happened to me before with some tourists a while back. They were a friendly bunch of wave hogs that still said sorry if they thought they got me.

Things are different now. My 9'6 tanker begs to differ and if I'm on a shortie with right of way, a dinged board is better than buised ego

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
27 Apr 2012 9:41AM
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Scotty88 said...

But who has right of way ?


A snake is a snake even if he has a paddle Scotty

matt18
VIC, 534 posts
27 Apr 2012 11:46AM
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doggie said...

matt18 said...

hey doogie lets hear a story about you, rather than the old cutting and pasting


Ive got a couple of not funny ones about goat boats, my main beef with SUPs is they can and some of the more inconsiderate SUPers will do it all the time and sit out the back and take every set wave, you know the old mal trick. Real nice.
Also not long ago had a bloke on a SUP at Trigg Point with no leggie on and just surfing through packs of people, tbh this is not on even in small waves as an untethered SUP has a massive sweep.

Ive never been hit by a SUP but I dont want to either


i think it's an education thing dog, some people just need more education than others. I also reckon that it's not the craft he was on it was just him- it seems that these sort of people are arseholes waht ever they do in their lives. karma will catch up with them.

hey newguy not fun going over the falls- but it does wake you up- have had some funny times my self

surferstu
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27 Apr 2012 9:52AM
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matt18
VIC, 534 posts
27 Apr 2012 11:55AM
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surferstu said...






hey stu maybe take the board of the sticker and just keep the clown

Dawn Patrol
WA, 1991 posts
27 Apr 2012 10:08AM
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doggie said...

matt18 said...

hey doogie lets hear a story about you, rather than the old cutting and pasting


Ive got a couple of not funny ones about goat boats, my main beef with SUPs is they can and some of the more inconsiderate SUPers will do it all the time and sit out the back and take every set wave, you know the old mal trick. Real nice.
Also not long ago had a bloke on a SUP at Trigg Point with no leggie on and just surfing through packs of people, tbh this is not on even in small waves as an untethered SUP has a massive sweep.

Ive never been hit by a SUP but I dont want to either


There was a SUPer at Trigg the other day without a leggie. His loose board narrowly missed 2 kids paddling out. I wouldnt surf my surfboard at trigg without a leggie, let alone a 10ft boat!

To be honest he was pretty good at it too. Making some good turns. Was still taking nearly every decent wave, and no leggie is very irresponsible...

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
27 Apr 2012 10:10AM
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matt18 said...

doggie said...

matt18 said...

hey doogie lets hear a story about you, rather than the old cutting and pasting


Ive got a couple of not funny ones about goat boats, my main beef with SUPs is they can and some of the more inconsiderate SUPers will do it all the time and sit out the back and take every set wave, you know the old mal trick. Real nice.
Also not long ago had a bloke on a SUP at Trigg Point with no leggie on and just surfing through packs of people, tbh this is not on even in small waves as an untethered SUP has a massive sweep.

Ive never been hit by a SUP but I dont want to either


i think it's an education thing dog, some people just need more education than others. I also reckon that it's not the craft he was on it was just him- it seems that these sort of people are arseholes waht ever they do in their lives. karma will catch up with them.

hey newguy not fun going over the falls- but it does wake you up- have had some funny times my self


Education, now there is a funny word. And karma, well thats just bs as far as Im concerned. Some people do what ever they think is right regardless of other people, and Im not just talking SUP here.

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
27 Apr 2012 12:32PM
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Damn straight Doggie and some people just BS and stir up trouble to satiate their own perverse needs. Lets hear from the Sunny Coast SUP rideer that nearly killed the Shortboarder. I'll bet he meant to do it and would do it all over again if he had the chance!!



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