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Down winders, 12-6 board and lightweight rider

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Created by Blackant > 9 months ago, 24 Jan 2011
Blackant
TAS, 20 posts
24 Jan 2011 5:03PM
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Hey all,

Is it possible to do downwinders and catch runners on a 12-6 board if you are a lightweight? I'm just curious because since getting my 12-6 Isup river race at Christmas i've become obsessed with suping and would really like to give a dw a go

I've read that you shouldn't really bother unless you have a 14' or bigger board, but I'm a lightweight at a bit over 60 kgs and wondered if that would make it possible for me to do one even though I have a smaller board

Regards

Ant

hilly
WA, 7875 posts
24 Jan 2011 2:38PM
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Jacko seemed to go alright on a 12 6 the other day

Spanked me on a 14

Not sure what an Isup is though

You can downwind on anything it is good fun. The more you spend the faster you go look at Downwinders vids

Piros
QLD, 7213 posts
24 Jan 2011 4:39PM
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Of course you can , the longer boarsds will be faster but you can still get out and get amoungst it.. I paddled around Hamilton Island (16km) in the Whitsundays on an inflatable SHUBU 10-2 no worries.

At 60kg just make sure you wear a legrope in case a gust of wind blows you away ..

Rob

Simondo
VIC, 8024 posts
24 Jan 2011 8:36PM
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I believe that's an "inflatable" 12'6 (???).... Yes, at your weight, you have a fair chance of having a bit of fun on a 12'6!

'PT Woody' and I were discussing the Inflatable Down Wind concept the other day. We haven't tried it, but we formed a view that the "inflatables" are not as stiff as a Normal SUP, and runners/waves might "flex" the tail, rather than lift the tail.... effectively giving you less drive, or less glide on the runners.... but this is only theory at this stage....

Try and come over to Melbourne for one the events, and have a play on all the boards, bring you inflatable(?), and feel the differences between boards....
supvic.com / SUP Vic .com

But as Piros says, wear a leggie, so you both don't fly away !!

Simon

Blackant
TAS, 20 posts
24 Jan 2011 11:44PM
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Thanks guys, I'll have to give it a go next time the wind gets up. Be good to get up to Melbourne sometime for an event as well...

Yep, it is an inflatable, this one:



I got it for mucking about in the class I/II rapids down my way but I've found I'm having a lot of fun with it in the flat water sections as well

And don't worry, I'll wear my leash and maybe a diving weight belt when the wind gets up

Lobes
885 posts
25 Jan 2011 5:04PM
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I am 95 kg and I have done downwindrs catching heaps of runners on my 11' NSP.

It depends mostly on how strong the wind and the following swell is. Of course it will be easier on a longer faster board but anythings possible

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
25 Jan 2011 8:55PM
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The 12' Glide and the 12'6" Surfrace are the only short boards that I know of that are good for DW'ers.. For me it's all about getting planning and surfing the runners.

I've heard the Coreban 12'6" is also good.. IMO .. 14' is as short as you'd want to go for real down-winding.

DJ

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
25 Jan 2011 10:14PM
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DavidJohn said...

The 12' Glide and the 12'6" Surfrace are the only short boards that I know of that good for DW'ers.. I've heard the Coreban 12'6" is also good.. IMO .. 14' is as short as you'd want to go for real down-winding.

DJ


I suspect that board length is only a part of the challenge. Most 12'6" and under boards, other than the ones DJ mentioned, don't have noses that are suited to downwinding so you end up pearling into the wave in front unless you have excellent technique and footwork. Of course, the best paddlers can make anything work.

As far as inflatables go, I agree with Simondo, it's all uncharted territory and comparison with solid boards probably doesn't quite add up. People have tried to make inflatables with exactly the same shape as a well designed carbon or glass SUP board, but due to the intrinsic nature of the inflatable concept, that shape doesn't work. The smart inflatable designers throw out the rule book and start from scratch. For that reason, I wouldn't put money on a 14' inflatable necessarily working better than a 12'6" inflatable in a downwinder. Until we see somebody try, we just don't have a clue.

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
26 Jan 2011 8:42AM
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simple rule, run what you brung.

You can have fun on anything, so don't worry about it being right or wrong, just get out there and enjoy yourself.

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
26 Jan 2011 12:09PM
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i weight 71kilos and have down wind on casso 12'6" DC custom and this board is great down wind bit unstable as its quite narrow but has no probs at all catching runners unreal shape

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
26 Jan 2011 8:38PM
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DavidJohn said...

The 12' Glide and the 12'6" Surfrace are the only short boards that I know of that are good for DW'ers.. DJ


I see you are still full of it! I have not been on the forum for some time now but it looks like not too much has changed.

There are plenty of 12'6" boards out there now that are great downwinders. Take those blinkers off...

Nice
18 posts
26 Jan 2011 6:50PM
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mikeman said...

DavidJohn said...

The 12' Glide and the 12'6" Surfrace are the only short boards that I know of that are good for DW'ers.. DJ


I see you are still full of it! I have not been on the forum for some time now but it looks like not too much has changed.




I disagree - things have definately changed - didn't there only used to be DCs ?

Gorgo
VIC, 5098 posts
26 Jan 2011 11:15PM
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It is an acquired skill to catch runnners. It will be easier on a longer board but it's still something you have to work at.

Initially you will get more surges than actual runs. You will accelerate a bit, glide along, then slip off the back of the wave in front. When you finally manage to catch and surf a runner your face will split with a big idiot grin far out of proportion to the size of the wave.

I managed to catch a few runners on a 12' PSH Gun which is not really a downwinding kind of board.

So, yes you can downwind on a 12'6" board. No it will not be automatic runner catching heaven. Yes you will get better with practice.

Blackant
TAS, 20 posts
26 Jan 2011 11:26PM
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Thanks for all the input guys, I'll keep working at it and see what happens

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
29 Jan 2011 1:48AM
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mikeman said...

DavidJohn said...

The 12' Glide and the 12'6" Surfrace are the only short boards that I know of that are good for DW'ers.. DJ


I see you are still full of it! I have not been on the forum for some time now but it looks like not too much has changed.

There are plenty of 12'6" boards out there now that are great downwinders. Take those blinkers off...


So mikeman... What are they?.. I'm sure there's others that would also like to know.

I've done lots of down-winders and paddled lots of boards and my comment was being honest and based on my own experience.. I never said that there weren't any others out there.. (in fact I'm sure there are but I've not paddled them) ..and I know there are plenty of good flat water boards (eg.. boards like the Starboard Pin and other flat water race boards) that can be used on a down-winder and in some conditions do very well.. Also some wave boards like the 12'6" Starboard Cruiser and even the 12' PSH gun do very well.. but 'IMHO' they're boards that I would not class as a good down-winding boards.. For me I like boards that jump onto the plane to catch a runner.. are fast.. can be surfed.. have lots of glide.. and handle the pearling issues that down-winding has.

I'm not claiming to be a 'know-it-all' or expert here.. and I know that what's a 'good down-winding board' might vary from person to person.. But you coming on here and throwing insults like that and not even adding anything to the discussion is just plane rude and nasty.. Agree.. Disagree.. Join the discussion.. or go away.

DJ

hilly
WA, 7875 posts
29 Jan 2011 12:12AM
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Hobie 12 6
SIC 12 6
Fanatic 12 6
Coreban 12 6
DC 12 6
Lahui Kai 12 6

To name a few

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
29 Jan 2011 10:24AM
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hilly said...

Hobie 12 6
SIC 12 6
Fanatic 12 6
Coreban 12 6
DC 12 6
Lahui Kai 12 6

To name a few


Thanks hilly.. Have you paddled them on a real down-winder to know for sure or are you going by what others have said.. or just guessing?

I've only paddled one of those on your list and I would not choose it as a good DW board.. There are two or three others on that list that I will get to try soon.

You also said that you can down wind any board and have good fun and that's sorta true but we've had guys join us on 9-10' wave boards and IMO it's really not much fun comared with the fun that you'd have on a doard that works better for DW'ing..

DJ

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
29 Jan 2011 9:51AM
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hilly said...

Hobie 12 6
SIC 12 6
Fanatic 12 6
Coreban 12 6
DC 12 6
Lahui Kai 12 6

To name a few


add in my 12'6 secret agent. i did a run yesterday and got heaps of runners including many multiple runners. quite impressed with the board because i don't think i would have done better on a big board on the day .

12'6 have certainly come a long way in the past year or so
cheers

hilly
WA, 7875 posts
29 Jan 2011 7:55AM
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DJ remember he is a light weight and that makes heaps of difference. I have paddled a few of them and seen lightweight riders disappear a head of me on them.

Engine real important IMO

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
29 Jan 2011 11:02AM
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hilly said...

DJ remember he is a light weight and that makes heaps of difference. I have paddled a few of them and seen lightweight riders disappear a head of me on them.

Engine real important IMO


Yes I know the weight thing does make a huge difference and maybe I should not have even made my first comment because I can only speak for myself.. and I'm not light.. .. I was just trying to help and give my opinion.. I find all this interesting and I'm sure others do.. and even those that aren't light.. Lacey's right.. They sure have come a long way in the past year or so.

DJ

hilly
WA, 7875 posts
29 Jan 2011 8:11AM
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There are some very nice boards coming out at the moment

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
29 Jan 2011 5:04PM
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DavidJohn said...

mikeman said...

DavidJohn said...

The 12' Glide and the 12'6" Surfrace are the only short boards that I know of that are good for DW'ers.. DJ


I see you are still full of it! I have not been on the forum for some time now but it looks like not too much has changed.

There are plenty of 12'6" boards out there now that are great downwinders. Take those blinkers off...


So mikeman... What are they?.. I'm sure there's others that would also like to know.

I've done lots of down-winders and paddled lots of boards and my comment was being honest and based on my own experience.. I never said that there weren't any others out there.. (in fact I'm sure there are but I've not paddled them) ..and I know there are plenty of good flat water boards (eg.. boards like the Starboard Pin and other flat water race boards) that can be used on a down-winder and in some conditions do very well.. Also some wave boards like the 12'6" Starboard Cruiser and even the 12' PSH gun do very well.. but 'IMHO' they're boards that I would not class as a good down-winding boards.. For me I like boards that jump onto the plane to catch a runner.. are fast.. can be surfed.. have lots of glide.. and handle the pearling issues that down-winding has.

I'm not claiming to be a 'know-it-all' or expert here.. and I know that what's a 'good down-winding board' might vary from person to person.. But you coming on here and throwing insults like that and not even adding anything to the discussion is just plane rude and nasty.. Agree.. Disagree.. Join the discussion.. or go away.

DJ




DJ, coming onto this public forum and making the statement that those 2 boards are "the only short boards that I know of that are good for DW'ers" is just plain ignorant. You may have done many downwinders in the relatively protected waters of the Melbourne Bay but I am not sure about your level of experience in open ocean conditions. I mentioned no particular brands or models as I did not think it was relevant to the topic of the thread. Others have beaten me to this with a few options and I am sure that there are many other great models out there that have not been mentioned yet.

Blackant asked the question whether it was possible to do downwinders and catch runners on a 12-6 board if you are a lightweight?

All other posters helped Blackant out with great advice but you had to come along and make that claim. It got the response it deserved. If you dont want these types of responses stop making the claims.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
29 Jan 2011 6:49PM
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Thanks mikeman but it wasn't a claiming anything.. I was just giving my own thoughts on this that's why I used the words.. 'that I know of' ..If I had not said that you would have good reason to be mad at me.. Either way I don't think we need insults here.. Agree, disagree and say why.. and we can all be happy..

DJ

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
29 Jan 2011 6:54PM
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mikeman said...

DavidJohn said...

The 12' Glide and the 12'6" Surfrace are the only short boards that I know of that are good for DW'ers.. DJ


I see you are still full of it! I have not been on the forum for some time now but it looks like not too much has changed.

There are plenty of 12'6" boards out there now that are great downwinders. Take those blinkers off...



And which part of the phrase "that I know of" is foreign to you? To open with the accusation that someone else is "full of it" reads as kind of obnoxious, which is therefore the height of hypocrisy, no?

hilly
WA, 7875 posts
29 Jan 2011 4:02PM
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We might need state forums to separate the cane toads and the mexicians

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
29 Jan 2011 8:10PM
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hilly said...

We might need state forums to separate the cane toads and the mexicians


I appreciate that you're joking though I certainly hope we don't have to splinter into state forums. However there is an aspect of state issues inherent in the question especially taking account of your own list of recommended boards...

Hobie 12 6
SIC 12 6
Fanatic 12 6
Coreban 12 6
DC 12 6
Lahui Kai 12 6

I'm just scratching my head over that list and wondering how many of them I could buy in any of the SUP retail stores in my state. The Fanatic definitely, and I think the Coreban though I've never seen it. As for the rest, I've heard of them but they don't often appear on our horizons. That's not to say they wouldn't be excellent dw boards in our conditions, just that we wouldn't know.

And that brings up the second point - dw conditions are apparently different wherever you go, or so I'm told. So it stands to reason that what works best in the Pacific Ocean swells of QLD or NSW will differ from what works well in WA's Indian Ocean or Victoria's Bass Strait or Port Phillip Bay. The OP is from Tassie. Who knows what kind of dw conditions he/she will encounter and whether a 12'6" board will do the job.

hilly
WA, 7875 posts
29 Jan 2011 5:38PM
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Did I here someone say quiver

SIC 12 6, 14 and a 17 6 please. Think that would cover it all

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
29 Jan 2011 8:36PM
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PTWoody said...

hilly said...

We might need state forums to separate the cane toads and the mexicians


I appreciate that you're joking though I certainly hope we don't have to splinter into state forums. However there is an aspect of state issues inherent in the question especially taking account of your own list of recommended boards...

Hobie 12 6
SIC 12 6
Fanatic 12 6
Coreban 12 6
DC 12 6
Lahui Kai 12 6

I'm just scratching my head over that list and wondering how many of them I could buy in any of the SUP retail stores in my state. The Fanatic definitely, and I think the Coreban though I've never seen it. As for the rest, I've heard of them but they don't often appear on our horizons. That's not to say they wouldn't be excellent dw boards in our conditions, just that we wouldn't know.

And that brings up the second point - dw conditions are apparently different wherever you go, or so I'm told. So it stands to reason that what works best in the Pacific Ocean swells of QLD or NSW will differ from what works well in WA's Indian Ocean or Victoria's Bass Strait or Port Phillip Bay. The OP is from Tassie. Who knows what kind of dw conditions he/she will encounter and whether a 12'6" board will do the job.


ptwoody, we'vehad our differences in opinions, but this time i totally agree.

even on the goldie it changes. small and moderate days the low rockered boards like lahui kai's, dc,s , the naish javlin if your good enough etc are the go.
days like today with a strong winds, big ish swell and some sections the water being very confused boards like the naish 17,naish 14', the old model dc 16, sic f16's etc are the go with the rocker and stability that comes with rocker as they sit better in the swells and don't get knocked around as much
cheers

Blackant
TAS, 20 posts
29 Jan 2011 9:44PM
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hilly said...

Did I here someone say quiver

SIC 12 6, 14 and a 17 6 please. Think that would cover it all


LOL Woo Hoo, that's what I need

Unfortunately since I just got my 12-6 River Runner I don't think that I'll be able to convince my beloved to let me get another one for a while...hang on, she is liking it too, maybe I can talk her into buying HER new board

Regarding the state issue, it's pretty hard to get ANY boards in tassie, especially if they are not surf sup's which I'm not really interested in at the moment. One of the main surf shops sells NSP's, and I think that there are a couple of places up North but they still deal with surf sup's.

When I am ready it will be either one of the 12 6's off the list you guys have recommended, probably the Fanatic as I've liked what I've seen and heard about it. I wouldn't mind a 14ft board but they do seem pretty massive and I'm not even sure if I could transport it safely. We have a Camry Sedan with roof racks, and I don't think I can justify buying a new car just to carry the board It's only usually gonna be a five minute drive/10 minute walk to the river though....

Unfortunately it's pretty unlikely that I'll get to the 'north island' any time soon to demo any but we'll see



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