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Walk on Water 14' & 12'6" Down winders

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Created by Deano72 > 9 months ago, 29 Feb 2012
Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
29 Feb 2012 2:22PM
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These beasts would be awesome for some down wind fun.
Has anyone had a D/W run on one of these??....I have only had the chance to paddle the 14'er on flat water.
Might be lucky enough to get the opportunity to have another run on it in the Mad Mad Paddle.....fingers crossed!!
The bottom contours look like they have been taken straight from a high performance short board and scaled up to suit.....single into double concaves.
Would love to add the 14'er to the quiver....but my better half would probably strangle me!!





I think there might be some better images on the WOW Facebook page.
I'm Facebook iliterate.....here's the link for anyone keen to check it out.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Walkonwater-Sup/100001188815087

Enjoy.

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
29 Feb 2012 5:48PM
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Great find Deano!! I can't stop drooling over the 12'6". Oh hang on... I just can't stop drooling.

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
29 Feb 2012 8:32PM
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I know how you feel.
Imagine having the dilema of picking between the two.
They are both really nice shapes.
I couldn't decide so I went for the 12'6" BOP race rig instead
Lovin' it

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
29 Feb 2012 8:40PM
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oh.....what about that Simon Anderson fibre flex in the first photo.
Wouldn't mind having one of them hanging in the garage either.
I surfed one of them a couple of years ago at the Corona.....they go goooood

Simondo
VIC, 8024 posts
29 Feb 2012 9:18PM
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Yes, nice boards... The 14 looks to be more of a dedicated DW board. Sort of has that S.I.C. 14 smell about it actually. A good thing!

From the pics on the other thread, the 12'6 has a hint of a certain specific design feature that the 404 12'6ers have. I like it.

Both of these boards look extremely user friendly.... I will bet that the 12'6 is equally as fast as most, for most riders. And I would also bet that the 14 goes like a freaking rocket in blasting DW conditions !

Send one of each down to us on the Surf Coast, and we'll get back to you with some glowing reviews !!

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
29 Feb 2012 9:41PM
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90% sure one of the 14'ers will be in Melbourne for the weekend of the Mad Paddle and being paddled in the event.....unless therer is no wind.
Hopefully we get a good down wind run across the bay.

Serendip
NSW, 44 posts
1 Mar 2012 3:22PM
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here is a couple of shots of the boards, playing on the lake




laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
2 Mar 2012 10:40PM
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great looking boards. good to see some more local/production boards to choose from.


the 12'6 in the bottom photo looks the goods.



the 14' looks sweet- a dw board. i'm a tad worried about the tail volume to support 'surf style dw ing', but its hard to tell by the photos.

would like to get a look at these two

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
12 Mar 2012 10:54AM
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Looks like the 14'er is doing the Mad Paddle.
Hopefully we get a honking tail wind

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
12 Mar 2012 11:00AM
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laceys lane said...

the 14' looks sweet- a dw board. i'm a tad worried about the tail volume to support 'surf style dw ing', but its hard to tell by the photos.


I've seen the 14' ridden in 2-3' beachies.
Surfs pretty good for a 14' board.
The bloke surfing it only weighs 70 something kegs.....so tail volume doesn't seem to be an issue

Serendip
NSW, 44 posts
12 Mar 2012 11:48AM
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HE HAD LOTS OF BEERS THIS LAST WEEK WITH A CREW OF FIRIES FROM NARRABEEN, SURFING DOWN THE FAR SOUTH COAST, SO HE IS NOW ABOUT 74Kegs

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
19 Mar 2012 1:37PM
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The 14' Down winder was great in the Mad Paddle.
Fast and stable and enough volume to allow the two team paddlers, with a combined weight of around 155 kegs, to paddle tandem to the finish line.
Good fun and picked up the occasional little runner.....must have been the wake from a contaner ship running up / down the bay cause it was pretty flat otherwise.

One lucky local guy scored a bargain with the 12'6" that was auctioned at the event.
Thanks Walk on Water!!

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
21 Mar 2012 12:35PM
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probably not the quickest way to get around.....good laugh though!!
Event organisers idea....not ours.

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
2 Apr 2012 10:54AM
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Had a great down wind run on Port Phillip Bay on the weekend with the 20 knot plus northerly with a selection of WoW boards.
The 14'DW was perfect, picked up every little runner and soooo stable.
The 12'6"DW was a bit more hard work with considerably less volume....but it is designed more for open ocean and being able to surf real waves. Would be ideal for someone a bit lighter than my 80+ kegs.
The 12'6" BOP Race was suprisingly good. Would occasionally bury its nose into the back of the wave in front but always come up straight. Would love to try it in some bigger bay wind swell where you could really step back and surf it.
Bring it on!!

TeamUlla
18 posts
2 Apr 2012 5:32PM
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Recent Makai cup:

The board was awsome, glided like a speedboat. A pity that
the conditions didnt come good but was great fun..

Kaisa
NSW, 67 posts
2 Apr 2012 7:37PM
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^^ Awsome board, is great with some wind...

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
2 Apr 2012 8:25PM
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all this new teen paddlers have machine gun stroke rates. how do they keep it up

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
2 Apr 2012 9:07PM
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ahh.....to be a grommet again.
Good stuff Kai

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
12 Apr 2012 5:09PM
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An OFB's take on this board:

I spent an hour and a bit on the 14 x 29" DW version (298 litres) on Wallaga lake and on some little runners in the lake mouth this morning (thanks Brian!). This board is very very stable. I found it comfortable to move around on (Melb paddlers will know how nimble I am...not) with excellent glide for a rockered board. It also felt very stiff and positive in chop with no noticeable flex (carbon strip in the rails prob helping) and very well mannered in side chop too. The nose isn't bulky so it'd probably be fairly tractable in a side wind. Underneath is a single concave through the middle transitioning through a light double to a V in the tail (nice JM fin back there). Fairly firm rails through the middle to a hard rail in the last couple of feet. Plenty of volume through the middle where a big bloke wants it with nice, positive feedback from the rails. At first look I thought it might need a tad more volume in the tail to keep me up but it didn't seem so stepping back to turn. The overall finish is excellent. An interesting second fin box at about the mid-point in the example I rode is there for big water tracking, not sure I'd use it on my local waters but a small skeg in there would probably help stability for the severely balance-challenged.

IMO upper-middle-to-big sized paddlers should seriously consider this one for an open water/rough water/DW board. Two thumbs up I reckon .

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
12 Apr 2012 5:57PM
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laceys lane said...

all this new teen paddlers have machine gun stroke rates. how do they keep it up


LOTS of practice.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
12 Apr 2012 5:59PM
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HumanCartoon said...
An interesting second fin box at about the mid-point in the example I rode is there for big water tracking, not sure I'd use it on my local waters but a small skeg in there would probably help stability for the severely balance-challenged.



Why didn't DJ try that on his Jav?

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
12 Apr 2012 7:26PM
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PTWoody said...

HumanCartoon said...
An interesting second fin box at about the mid-point in the example I rode is there for big water tracking, not sure I'd use it on my local waters but a small skeg in there would probably help stability for the severely balance-challenged.



Why didn't DJ try that on his Jav?


Larry Allison's been doing it for a year or two...bet it costs more $$ than DJ's solution.

PottyMullet
NSW, 92 posts
6 Jun 2012 11:49PM
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Hi Guys

I love reading all your posts to try and understand all the different facets to this sport including technical aspects of gear as I have not yet made the switch regarding owning a board, or ridden many for that matter. I have a few questions that I need answering but I thought I would give you a bit of info about myself to get where i'm coming from. I am 37yrs, around 70kg and reasonably fit with longboard surf experience (and a season of OC6 racing under the belt but too long ago to matter, but it all helps). I would like to get into SUP in the Sydney area and have the idea of getting into open ocean and bay down winding, as well as paddling in the flats. Mostly recreational but with a view in the future to have a go at the odd paddle race more for the experience and fun (thinking 20 beaches paddle would be unreal but challenging, and smaller races). Would also be a bonus to put the wife (60kg), and daughter when she gets old enough, on the board on the odd occasion to paddle in the flats for fun. Was thinking a 14' would be ideal but thinking a planing hull design that is user friendly would be the go that could be ridden in small surf as well as on some decent swells just wide of those reef bombies. Am i being realistic?

I have been trying to read between the lines in may posts about technical aspects of the different styles of SUP (and their corresponding boards) but I have a few questions that I hoped could be answered by anyone with some decent experience and history of boards in this sport (DJ, other), and the WOW 14' (HumanCartoon, other).

I really like the concept, shape (and look) of the WOW 14' GSR but noticed that comments have been made about tail volume (or a possible lack of it). Can someone please explain how volume distribution in all areas (nose, middle, and tail) of a board like this will effect the way it performs? (with all bodyweights, and my fairly light 70kgs).

What would be the main difference be between a board like the WOW 14' DW, JL M14 and similar boards to say the Naish (2012) 14' Glide (and similar boards, Coreban Dart 14' ?) which seems to have more volume distributed to the tail area?
(I'm thinking it be looser in the tail so will be able to turn it easier while planing during DWers, surfing.)

Is it reasonable to ask for demos on boards like these in conditions where you will be using it most e.g. in moderate DW conditions and paddling up wind and in sidechop.(testing these boards in the flats seems to me that little will be revealed about the true potential of such boards, so how do we know what to buy?).

We need to have another 14' board test for all the great DW/ocean specific boards coming on the market, and in those conditions where they will be ridden the most, i.e. a variety of conditions. (thanks to the VIC boys for the 14' flat water test, showed potential for the ocean boards in the flats).

What boards would you guys like to see in a 14' allround conditions test? (I do understand that this really belongs in a new post)

Just a start but I would like to see all the latest models of (but not limited to):

Walk on Water 14' GSR (DW)
Jimmy Lewis M-14'
Coreban 14' Dart
Naish 14' Glide
Starboard 14' Coast Runner
Starboard 14' Open Ocean
Fanatic Fly Race 14' Open
Sunny King 14' Ocean Elite
Sic Bullet 14'
Sic F-14'

Can we keep the list going? (Feel free to add as i've exhausted my limited knowledge)

Any answers to any or all my questions or any other input would be appreciated.

Thanks

Potty





DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
7 Jun 2012 1:50AM
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PottyMullet said...



I really like the concept, shape (and look) of the WOW 14' GSR but noticed that comments have been made about tail volume (or a possible lack of it). Can someone please explain how volume distribution in all areas (nose, middle, and tail) of a board like this will effect the way it performs? (with all bodyweights, and my fairly light 70kgs).


Potty



Welcome to the Breeze and the world of down-winding..

I have my own ideas on all of this and I may not be right but I'm thinking a thiner surfboard type shape tail is needed to hold onto the face of a wave while turning or cutting across it and the thin rail not only cuts into the water but it also sucks the water around the rail holding the board against the water and IMO that's what's needed for surfing a surf board or jybing a windsurfing board at speed.. Having too thick a tail will cause the tail to float out of the water during a turn and bounce and possably spin out mid turn.. That's all fine for suring and windsurfing boards.. Down-winding boards have different needs.. With a DW board your main concern is drag.. water release to help get on the plane.. and control when going straight with only slight turns that don't really tip the board over on its rail like surfboards and windsurfing boards do.. Boxy rails and thick boards work because they help prevent water flowing over the tail, deck area and rails and when not planing because this will cause heaps of drag.. So.. IMO boxy rails should get planning and stay on the plane longer than a board with thin rails.. There are sooooo many other vairiables that effect the DW boards performance and even the paddler.. the paddlers weight.. and the paddlers technique will effect the boards performance.. Maybe thick and boxy will be faster but a thiner tail will turn and surf better... Also IMO volume in the nose can help a board resurface after pearling due to the volume floating the board up rather than just relying on the nose rocker to get he nose back up.. Our speeds can be pretty slow and during pearling you can slow down to a crawl so often the nose rocker alone is not enough.. The problem with thicker noses is that they can cause more drag when under water unless the nose outline is very pointy. (no-nosey).. I also like the look of the new WOW boards and my friend Stu has offered me to try his one day soon.. It will be interesting to see how it compares to my Naish Glide.

I could go on and on about all this but I think demo'ing.. and trusting proven brands and shapes is the way to go.

DJ







ShireSUP
NSW, 982 posts
7 Jun 2012 9:28AM
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PottyMullet said...


Is it reasonable to ask for demos on boards like these in conditions where you will be using it most e.g. in moderate DW conditions and paddling up wind and in sidechop.(testing these boards in the flats seems to me that little will be revealed about the true potential of such boards, so how do we know what to buy?).


Potty




Hi Nathan, also welcome to the breeze.

it is possible to test these boards in ideal conditions, its just a matter of knowing whens ideal and you have a chance to test!

There are a few good shops in and around Sydney that have demo boards you can go and "rent/try" local to you you have OzSup at Rose Bay, south EastcoastSUP in Barden Ridge, and CronullaSUP and north Dripping Wet and Balmoral Boards on the way to Manly and not forgetting Wind surf and Snow at Collaroy (sam has lots of bvoards) but also you have the little know Jamieson Park Paddle on Narabeen lakes where you can hire any number of boards, get some lessons and the have a whole warehouse full and they dont sell boards, they teach SUP and hire boards for use on the lake. Just pick your favourite windy day I reckon.

Good luck with it and when your ready come down to the Bay at Port Hacking, theres a good crew paddles down there most weekend, days around LT.

Greg

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
7 Jun 2012 2:29PM
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If you want to demo a WoW 14' GSR give the guys a call at the SUP shop in Mona Vale.....they are WoW.
Better do it soon though as they are relocating at the end on June!!

I've paddled this board a few times now in varied conditions.
I'm 80 kegs and had no trouble picking up little runners in light down wind conditions.....concave bottom works a treat.
Hangs in the face of a wave nicely too.
Very versatile 14' board IMO.
Give one a try, I'm sure you will be impressed.

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
7 Jun 2012 3:51PM
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Deano72 said...

If you want to demo a WoW 14' GSR give the guys a call at the SUP shop in Mona Vale.....they are WoW.
Better do it soon though as they are relocating at the end on June!!

I've paddled this board a few times now in varied conditions.
I'm 80 kegs and had no trouble picking up little runners in light down wind conditions.....concave bottom works a treat.
Hangs in the face of a wave nicely too.
Very versatile 14' board IMO.
Give one a try, I'm sure you will be impressed.


What he said.

I've owned a 14' GSR for a few weeks and I'm a relative noob to DW but this board is by far the funnest, most well-mannered board I've been on in our local DW conditions (short period, usually a bit messy and unpredictable). I weigh about 40kegs more than Deano and my balance is crap - I find the GSR super stable and responsive with a nice big sweet spot around the middle of the board. It picks up and runs really easily even with me on it. I don't think apparent lack of tail volume compared to the boxy ones is a problem with this design - IMO it's a plus b/c it doesn't have that catchy on-off-on-off feel of other more boxy-tailed boards I've DW'd on. I also reckon it's the best behaved board I've ever been on in side shop, chined rails have something to do with that. It feels like it's no slouch on the flat but I haven't put the clock on it yet. Can't wait for a big DW day to see what it can really do, and I'm looking forward to DJ's ride report.

Two thumbs up for sure.

PottyMullet
NSW, 92 posts
7 Jun 2012 5:05PM
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your advice and opinions.

DJ, would be good to see your take on this board after testing it. Have you put the 2012 Naish Glide through its paces yet?

ShireSUP, thanks for all the locations to test boards, and you will definately see me in the future on the bay and particularly on the Hacking when the big swell pushes in to form some great bay runners. It was always great to surf these when I used to paddle OC6's with the crew and we would flip every now and again.

Deano, where is The SUP Shop relocating to? Liked yours and DJ's comments about the board hanging into the face of the wave, which is exactly what I intend to do from time to time if I get good.

HumanCartoon, thanks for the comments from someone who owns this board. Does "chined rails" mean rounded, or something that I don't understand yet? What is this "on-off" feel with boxy arse end boards? Do you have any details on the construction of this board and a weight? I am only guessing that weight is a negative factor in lifting it on/off car and to the water, and only in acceleration and into the wind.

Thanks guys

Potty

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
7 Jun 2012 6:30PM
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PottyMullet said...

Thanks guys, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your advice and opinions.
Does "chined rails" mean rounded, or something that I don't understand yet?


Through the front and middle of the board there's a slight bevelled edge to the rail - a sharp boxy rail tends to catch in side chop, a rounded or tucked under rail doesn't (so much) but tips more easily. I'm tall and heavy and awkward so boards generally are more sensitive to side-to-side input from me. The GSR's chined rail doesn't catch easily in side chop but between the chine and the concave bottom the rail bites hard in a roll, it's very hard to tip this board.

PottyMullet said...

What is this "on-off" feel with boxy arse end boards?


Hard to describe unless you have felt it but I'll have a bat. I'm either on the runner, the board accelerates sharply and I have to place my weight 'just so' to trim or I'm off the runner. Feels a bit like an on-off switch to me. Again, I'm a lot heavier than most paddlers so maybe trim is more critical for me. This one seems less subject to that, most of the volume is through the middle with thinner nose & tail - feels more progressive on takeoff and less sensitive to trim. Works for me anyway.

PottyMullet said...


Do you have any details on the construction of this board and a weight?


Glass/carbon cocktail. It's pretty stiff, I don't feel any noticeable flexing, it pokes through chop pretty well but it's not a displacement nose so still pushes a little water. Mine weighs 14kg. Finish is excellent all over.

Deano72
NSW, 540 posts
8 Jun 2012 12:23PM
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Not exactly sure of the details of the SUP shop's relocation.
According to their facebook page they have a massive sale on this Saturday.
Sub 9' LSD & Simon Anderson SUPS for $1000.....and ex-demos for $500.
Might be worth dropping in to see if they have any of the WoW boards in the racks.

PottyMullet
NSW, 92 posts
8 Jun 2012 2:41PM
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Thanks Deano

I don't want to speak too soon but I think the SUP gods are smiling today as I have contacted the shop and put a deposit down on 3 boards without seeing them (I know, it seems outrageous) but due to really really good price (and people's positive comments) I just could not resist. Boards are:

WOW 14' GSR
Luke Short Designs 8'10" SW
Simon Anderson Stand Sure 12' Combo (This one is for a mate who is over 100kgs)

According to the guy at the store the 12' Combo is the first one that was made (original prototype) that all the production ones were based off. He said it is a little dinged up but was a bargain.

I am imploding with anticipation and excitement.

Inspection will reveal the final outcome.

Potty



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