The WindSUP project

Now i once more need your help regarding the Sup handle insert !!!

I just got a call from my shop where i'll buy the future finboxes etc. He told me that according to the european distributors of FCS and Future there are no handle inserts available in Europe for the next weeks, as there was no demand yet in Europe (custom builders??)

Could anybody provide me with a good handle insert?
Of course i would pay for all the shipping expense and taxes to germany.

Thanx in advance.

Alex

So here are the first pics.

Plan for the fin setup (stolen from Naish Raptor)

sieht super aus, warte schon auf den ersten Fahrbericht!!!

(looks great can't wait to read your review after the first sessions)

Thanks to make me know about Airex, i have to learn this building technology as well as bagging too
I did see once one Sealion few years ago, i remenber now it was large and deep twin fin more accurate to sail more than surfing though.
The good thing about Twin fin is the inherent looseness. So what i suggest as fin system is TWINZER done with MR plus GL. Because it's like twin fin but lot more drivey
I can suggest you right bases position fin.

Hi Alex, Finally I have no confirmed opinion on quad set up on Vangard style board by now It's a so grave concern. Your board seems to have a bit of hips so this should inducing looseness by itself. I cant see rocker from pictures here but I imagine it flat because of windsail option.
I did try that kind of outline and rocker this winter SUPing trip in Carribean Island with a prototype 7'26" ( went there with 4 boards...) and i found The 7'26" very stiff unable to put the board on rails. But have to say, I like to carve rather than gliding
Out of tropical sun under the shed of my local friend's house there, I drill and move fins plugs and cant find any fins position i would appreciate. This is why in last i suggest Twinzer as an option.
The white is the 7'26" with moved plugs and the red one tail under is my Twinzer , very good fins set up .






So to be pragmatic I suggest you to install severals fins option and to play with different fins templates, , like this for example:

Hi Alex, I suggest you AMT with two trailers instead of single one or AE in case of kind of quad Raptor solution. Controllers might be too stiff for this Vangard outline.
Should ask Piros if he can ship over fins set to you
I suggest you too, to use FCS instead of Futures because if positions fins is badly installed, FCS plugs allow you to do move positioning as well as fins cant ( angle fins with bottom shape)
I hope that will help you

Hello Alex, here the address www.viral-surf.com/fr/129-futures they will send to you what you want, I guess.
IMO, the best way to find and set best fins and positioning boxes is to show off as I picture it below. Cut out fins template in cardboard and show it on the board. Or compare with a board you have been surfing and loved it as the red one as shown on picture below.
Then decide of what kind of fins and their positions it is going fitted.
You can have some inspiration from www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/DEEP-Oceanboards-72-Minion-Review/?page=-2#lastpost . Ask tamarackjanito about his Controllers fins

I reckon fitting fins is the harder part while customized a board and absolutely more speaking about SUP

Great job.. thanks for the pictures.. What type of foil do you plan to use..

The finished board 8 x 31", around 130 liters, 8,7 kg, Carbon Double Sandwich.
First SUP on the river felt amazing stable, like a Starboard 9' Converse, could have mastered smaller and thinner.
Windsurfing: the same stability, planing like a waveboard, sits on its rocker and lifts its nose up, but not sticking like a dedicated SUP and planing better than my AHD Sealion XL. Used a 8.2 qm Goya Nexus and a 43 cm fin.

Still missing: A Future quad set and a foil (Gong is still testing)

Waveriding has to wait until August, no waves at home, but then 4 weeks holiday in Portugal and Galizia ;-)

Just back from my trip to Portugal.
Board works better than expected.

Very stable even in chop for my 90kg @ 190cm, nose punches easy through whitewater.
Takeoffs are easy, even if the nose is completely burried, the nose rocker and the the large area of the nose just push the nose back. Scary at first, but than you can rely on this behaviour.
After takeoff the board accelerates like no board i had before.
When on the tail the nose lifts up and keeps free off the water, you just surf the back half of the board, turning is nice but you have to be really back on the kickpad.

It feels like a 2-zone board with a decoupled front for stability and back for surfing.

Room to improve: A tiny bit more rocker at the rails and thinner, domed rails at the last 40 cm, the board doesn't need this area for stability.

Alex

Windsurfing also works really good with the board, it can plane!

Had it out with a 8.2 sail on the lake and it feels like a big waveboard. It' s not a early planer like a freeride or slalomboard the same size, but it doesn't suck water like other higher rockered SUP boards. It planes with the nose lifted up, get's good speed and is fun to ride. Especially in the jibes, it's possible to get really tight turns for a board that size, using all the tail rocker. Never felt that on an large windsurf board.
In the waves it's also quite fun, slogging out and catching waves on the way in the board planes up easy on the wave and you can ride the wave frontside without forcing the board in the turns like it often felt on my other WindSups like the Sealion XL etc.
Good thing here is also like in SUP Surfing, that you don't have to fear nosedives at the cutback like with longer boards.
Me thinks that this anti nosedive magic comes a lot from the continous rocker getting flatter to the tail we build in the board, i guess a staged rockker with a flat midsection and more kick in nose and tail wouldn't do this the same.

Alex