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Naish Hokua GT vs GTW

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Created by Seayeti > 9 months ago, 13 May 2016
Seayeti
NSW, 16 posts
13 May 2016 3:08PM
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Been riding for a little while now, mostly on 10’6” longboard style sups. I’m 6’4” and 100kgs, intermediate ability but frothing. Borrowed a mates older Hokua GT 9’10” for a few weeks while my board was getting repaired. Really struggled with stability at first but getting used to it now. It is so much fun on a wave though – I feel like I am back riding shortboards again, which I haven’t done in years. I have to give it back now and I am gutted. I think I need one or something similar. I do love the GT but I saw a Hokua GTW in a shop that other and thought it looked pretty sweet. Has anyone got any thoughts they would like to share about the GTs vs the GTWs? I would be looking at the GT 9’10” or the GTW 9’6”. Not sure if I will find these sizes for a test drive locally.

Tardy
5260 posts
13 May 2016 6:19PM
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you won't find a 9'10 GTW
was it the 155 litre model ? you borrowed .or 120 litre
they don't make them anymore .155 litre.
you will have to go the 145 litre GTW.sweet ride I believe .
I sold my Gt. 11' and brought the 11' GTW love the wood

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
13 May 2016 9:58PM
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Seayeti said...
Been riding for a little while now, mostly on 10’6” longboard style sups. I’m 6’4” and 100kgs, intermediate ability but frothing. Borrowed a mates older Hokua GT 9’10” for a few weeks while my board was getting repaired. Really struggled with stability at first but getting used to it now. It is so much fun on a wave though – I feel like I am back riding shortboards again, which I haven’t done in years. I have to give it back now and I am gutted. I think I need one or something similar. I do love the GT but I saw a Hokua GTW in a shop that other and thought it looked pretty sweet. Has anyone got any thoughts they would like to share about the GTs vs the GTWs? I would be looking at the GT 9’10” or the GTW 9’6”. Not sure if I will find these sizes for a test drive locally.


Im also 6'4" and 100kgs and I have the 9'6" x32" Hokua in the GTW.. Luv it..

Seayeti
NSW, 16 posts
15 May 2016 8:24AM
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The Naish is the GT 155L GT. Still on the Naish website and in shops. Looked at the X32. Lots 2nd hand on here. But want to stick to around 30in wide for wave performance and extra length for glide and paddle. Can't seem to find any real world reviews on the newer Hokua GTW shapes

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
15 May 2016 8:58AM
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The Naish is the GT 155L GT. Still on the Naish website and in shops. Looked at the X32. Lots 2nd hand on here. But want to stick to around 30in wide for wave performance and extra length for glide and paddle. Can't seem to find any real world reviews on the newer Hokua GTW shapes


My friend has the Hokua 9'10" in the wood and it may have a little more glide than my 9'6" but I find it tippy in choppy water and I would say my 9'6" has better surfing performance.. You really should demo both yourself before you decide.. I think the x32 board will surprise you.. It's a much newer shape than the 9'10"..

You can see him here at the 2.32 mark in this vid.. and in this still shot..

Tardy
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15 May 2016 4:08PM
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Seayeti said..
The Naish is the GT 155L GT. Still on the Naish website and in shops. Looked at the X32. Lots 2nd hand on here. But want to stick to around 30in wide for wave performance and extra length for glide and paddle. Can't seem to find any real world reviews on the newer Hokua GTW shapes


I'm from outa town and don't go in shops much ..but I was told no 9'10 155 this year .2016 from my supplier ...So I purchased the 2016 GT 9.5 mana @163 litres ..it has great glide and Im ripping on this board .Im heavy too ,I was and did have a 9,10 lined up ..but it fell through.Im kinda glad I ended up with the 32 wide mana ,it makes life easy .and still smaller enough for me ..
my other board is the 9'6 Hokua in DJ vid, but a GT...no wood last year with .the Hokua x32 .the rocker is very pronounced on these boards 's,and will handle any steep drop you throw at them, and extremely good in small steep waves ..
I use the mana in bigger waves.or if the wave is fast and need to get around sections ..it s faster..

I like them both ..I surf reef breaks .
And feel so lucky to have two great boards .and they are so different to each other .
i reckon if you have ridden and like the 9'10 grab it

Seayeti
NSW, 16 posts
16 May 2016 9:43PM
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DJ. I know what are saying about the the GT. It is very tippy and a nightmare in chop. But once on a wave it is insanely good fun. Took me a few surfs until I could manage an hour on it. But I think I could manage it as a mid week board when the crowds aren't so bad. The GTW is narrower (slightly) and less volume still. Hence the quest to find real world reviews. The X32 does make sense. Had a 34 inch wide board first up, but while it was stable it really didn't like to turn. Have you tried the 9'1" or 8'8"?

Mahanumah
VIC, 336 posts
19 May 2016 2:01PM
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I've had the 9'10 GT and now have the 9'6" GTW so can talk about both of them.

I'm a little lighter than you guys (92-95kgs depending on the day...).

I loved the 9'10" but found the rocker a little flat in the nose. It meant I tended to dig the nose on the takeoff which caused plenty of lost waves and wipeouts.

The 9'6" has a much better rocker and the outline is quite different (Iggy shaped the 9'10 and Gerry Lopez shaped the 9'6").

So what does the changes mean to me...

The 9'6" is another level... This board picks up waves really well and when you get on the tail it becomes easily the best board I've ridden (keep in mind I'm still just an intermediate surfer so nothing special). Since getting this one I've managed my first floater, first barrel (for 2 seconds before the lip knocked me off) and been out in waves from 1ft through to almost double overhead. This board has been great for all of the above.

Before getting the 9'6" I tried the Tom Carroll Loose Leaf. Not bad but really not inspiring and I didn't feel comfortable on it.

I demoed the 8'8" x32 but hated it. The 32" wide just feels really uncomfortable and the rails feel chunky and unrefined. Definitely not something I was comfortable on. The only good thing about it... I could pick up runners and ride them forever without them ever breaking.


I recently got a chance to try a number of other boards and I've come to the conclusion that the 9'6" is definitely the one for me. I also reminded myself that I really hate 32" wide boards...

Tardy
5260 posts
20 May 2016 12:20PM
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Interesting comments mahanumah s.I went for the Hokua 9,6 because of that reason of having plenty rocker ..as I to have had nose dives and scary moments on flat rocker boards ....like the 9.10 ..
funny you mentioned the width ,I like the width in small surf
but find they bunny hop down the big ones ..because they are wide and you can't dig the rail in .

good comments .

maybe my next board will be a bit narrower.
also looking at the 9,6 GTW@145 litre.

Seayeti
NSW, 16 posts
21 May 2016 4:53PM
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Mahanumah. How do you find the stability of the GTW vs the GT? One of the main reasons I am hesitant about the GT as an every day board is the stability. I tire really quickly on it. The GTW is slightly narrower still.

Seayeti
NSW, 16 posts
21 May 2016 6:22PM
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Mahanumah. Can you comment on the stability of the GTW compared to the GT? That is my main hesitation with both boards. I find that I tire really quickly on the GT and wonder whether I could cope with it as an everyday board. And the GTW is narrower and less volume still.

Cape Town Surf
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10 Jul 2016 3:10AM
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Hi I hope this is helpful to the forum, it is not aimed at anyone in the forum, but might be helpful to someone looking to buy any of these boards, I have not owned the Hakua 9.6GTW for long but I have tested it in a multitude of conditions to make a reasonably good starting observation, the Hakua 9.5GT I have owned a few of them and still own one, and ridden them in absolutely ALL conditions from 1ft to 8ft Atlantic surf, from glassy to stormy ocean, the Hakua X32 Carbon as well but 1ft to 6ft surf. The Manna 9.5 as well. They all great boards and they all have a purpose, but perhaps for slightly different conditions and or skill bases, the trick is to find what best suits your style, and conditions you prefer go out in. I like to go out in ALL types of conditions, and I like a board that allows me to stay standing as opposed to these tiny tiny boards where you gotta paddle to the back lying on your tummy. I don’t profess to know everything, I am just a dude who passionately loves SUP riding. I come from a short board style surfing background.

Overview (heavier rider +-110kg)(tri-fin configuration)(advanced rider “but we all learning”)(Prefer ride in 365days of year conditions, ie ALL conditions Winter and Summer)

The 9.6 Hakua GTW is a good ('excellent') board for small to medium sized surf, it is easy to paddle, gives immediate feedback and can generate quick efficient kinetic energy from low power surf giving immediate surfer feedback!, OR bigger surf but where the power is not substantive. (It CAN handle big surf but i don't want to focus on that here as it a different conversation on its own, i am referring to the relativity of the 3x boards and generalizing contextually).
The GTW board (ridden correctly) feels at all times active and alive, and you can quickly create your own power. Jerry Lopez is a legend in his own right so don't doubt for one moment his hard work on this shape.
In complex ocean, or in large Atlantic swell with cross onshore winds, 45 degree chop, and rips, it not an easy board (understatement) to keep stable, it A LOT harder than the GT even with 5litres more in its girth! Even the 8.3 X32 much easier to balance on although worse to paddle on. Just treading water and trying to push it through the big powerful foam requires more commitment. If you are an advanced rider in these conditions you will have no problem, i am just warning the intermediate rider, as it can be "intense" in wind and chop and sizable ocean, where the chop coming sideways to the boards position. The advanced rider is always conditioned to "intense" as part of his vocabulary (LOL), but intense is not fun for everyone tee hee. However this board in normal conditions rocks!!
Ie....because more volume has been removed from the nose, it requires pushing nose through the wave and not trying to paddle 'over' the wave in bigger surf, when paddling out. It paddles easily onto and into the wave and very fast on the wave actually overtaking the wave sometimes, and bouncing. The bouncing DOESN'T reduce stability on the bottom turn, it turns beautifully and with precision..... it more an observation of experience.
The rails are round but less round and more "square" feeling, than others thus giving you dynamite vs stability. Especially lateral stability. But because less volume in nose and pointy nose....the stability also plays that way to.
They seem to have squeezed the boards volume into the mid by making mid deck slightly thicker i think.
It thus very complex to control when not on the wave, but in storm ocean.
I have thus also gone back to the stock fin (main fin) which is entirely correct for the board irrespective of swell size or power.

On the other hand the GT is the perfect 365 days of the year board for the intermediate to advanced rider but NOT beginner. And same for the advanced rider but with main fin 1x size down. Because of the squash tail, the smaller fin makes the board just a tweak fast in order to make the section in big surf, and a little more alive, whilst not in any way making it less stable. My observation is that beginner and intermediate stay with the stock fin, especially if they have just upgraded from the Manna and making the transition. For the advanced rider, the slightly smaller fin is a nice tweak worth doing. Also on all the boards keeping the mid fin close forwards as u can manage, and not at the back of the fin box, at a guess, maybe roughly 20mm from the front of the box, but it best to experiment and explore.

I would still recommend a 9.5 Manna over the new 9.6 Hakua should a BEGINNER be looking for a more intermediate board. Ie. If the GT not available the jump to GTW is now a wider jump. If the GT is available, maybe jump to the GT 9.5 or the GT9.10, I have not ridden the 9.10 but it would be a good animal, easier than the 9.5. I love the 9.5.

(Just to make things complicated, If you moving from a 9,5Manna, to a more advance board, then move to the Hakua's before jumping to the Manna 9.0. The Manna 9.0 is a absolutely wonderful board, but the jump in volume and stability from the 9.5 Manna to the 9.0 Manna there is a big jump, in my opinion bigger than the jump to a 9.5GT , 9.10GT , 8.3 X32, and 9.6GTW.)

If the person considering jumping from GT Hakua to GTW, dont be put off by the extra 5litres thinking it a step too easy. You cannot feel the 5litres and it definitely NOT part of the conversation. If anything you actually need it!, but again i say.....it plays no relevance, it actually 'feels' lower in volume and mass to the GT. Seriously. The GTW is more "alive" than the GT. The GTW has a faster top end speed than the GT. The GT is more stable.

In a nutshell (heavier rider):

The Manna 9.5 is the ideal 365 days of the year board for ANY beginner & intermediate rider, but can still be enjoyed by an advanced rider particularly in rough ocean conditions. "Back foot" style surfing. Will handle any surf from 1ft to 8ft, to storm surf! Handles anything. (And i know first hand. It also a fun board. It also very kind to the rider. Requires less skill to do advanced things, Tee hee. often kept as a fun "2nd board for wife or kids to play on, on flat days as well, as a bonus to its wave riding fun)

The 9.5 GT Hakua is the ideal 365 day of the year higher wave performance board for any intermediate to advanced rider. And can be ridden with the smallest back fin. It can be ridden in every condition from 1ft to hectic 8ft stormy ocean. "Back foot" style surfing.
It incredibly responsive to technical moves and subtle neuro-pathway movements you give it. It will speed up, it will slow down, you can turn it deep into a bottom turn on a difficult wave, and it will do exactly what you ask it to do. It will do off the lips and you can then tell it to ride out of wave at 30 degrees and it will do exactly what you tell it!. Ie. It is technical BUT it is not trying to race ahead of yr commands. In that respect it is neutral.
But it DOES mean your skill needs to improve beyond the Manna to get the best from this instrument.
This is my preferred 365 days of the year instrument.

The 8.3 X32 is the ideal board to ride in 1 to 5ft both slow or very fast moving waves!, it an absolute rush!, particularly on a reef or a tight fast moving shore break. But not where you have large distances to move to a continuously changing moving peak. It likes to be ridden "like u stole it!" lol. Ie typical slashing, short board style surfing. Ride it hard. Stand far forward. "Front foot" style surfing. You need to ride it in a committed and active manner.
Then it going to be a rush, like a double Red Bull for the Soul.
If you ride it incorrectly you are going to get nothing but a very low wave count be warned! It not for everyone or every conditions.Or you will just look good but that's not why u surfing. Tee hee. It a pretty board and bound to gain someones attention. It easy to balance on. It a remarkably alive board ridden well.

The 9.6 GTW Hakua sits somewhere between the 2x boards above. Ie. its finds some of its character in the "X32" camps, "front foot" style surfing' explosive with lotsa kinetic energy. However it is a good paddler as well, where the "X32" is a poor paddler. The Achilles heal here being the stability of the GTW is forfeited as a trade off to gain these exciting qualitys. The "X32" is a lot easier to balance on considering its only a 8.3.
The GTW will however increase your wave count and allow you to move with the moving wave peaks without the same level of commitment required on the "X32". A big outside sets comes through on the "X32" and you are f@#ed. On the GTW you put your foot on the gas and head out to sea!. Get caught on the inside of a big set and the GTW has no advantage over the "X32", to the contrary but only by small small, margin.
However this board when ridden with the same enthusiasm as the "X32" is a highly rewarding experience, just put the bouncing of the front behind you, as it not affecting the performance. In small surf where the wave not particularly powerful, this board will eat the GT as it can just generate that active front foot speed and kinetic energy so quickly and hold it. But the moment the ocean becomes complex or difficult or powerful or big (ggg!) then pray you got your GT in the boot. The GTW board CAN handle big surf no problem, but it very difficult to manage in stormy ocean. Ie the time when you not on the wave surfing. The transition time. I always say, “ any good surfer can SUP well in waves, the part that requires commitment & practice & all the stuff that is going on out there, …….is when you are NOT on the wave, bouncing around in chop, wind, cross onshore swell, or rips, or whatever nature is throwing at you, ……this is where it is really nice to know you chose the right instrument. And not with your ego. Excuse me if i got any parts incorrect. please feel free to tell me. I wrote this in a rush. However i love all the boards but for very different reasons.

Naish knows how to make good performance wave boards, and they have mastered the rocker, in all models, they are all good boards.

I hope they keep the GT in the range moving forward, as it a very different animal to the one that Gerry Lopez as brought into the quiver with the GTW. ie they compliment each other, but are NOT an upgrade from one to the other.
They different and not an evolution.
They are very different. There is no commonality other than they "Naish" and Naish makes good wave boards, you can trust will do what they supposed to do on waves. Perform.
Naish would be making a big mistake dropping the GT given that it a classic high performance technical board, that can be ridden 365 days of the year and with the same fin, and no one has got that shape and style at such an advanced stage of development, why then drop it. Riders like me would then be forced to look for another manufacturer which would then be kinda sad. (ie a classic squash tail well executed means not having to have different fins for different conditions, you just rider it with the smallest, The Naish tail and its thickness and its rocker are 100% executed, the single into double concave is unique and perfectly executed, and unique to Naish, ie Starboard Pro, Fanatic Pro and Corban PRO all go in a different way, thus Naish has no competition in this arena, whereas the others have huge competition as they compete directly. The Naish Hakua GT is a perfectly executed "neutral" board. Is easy to ride for a "committed" intermediate, and extremely reliable, and technical board in the hands of an advanced rider.
Naish must not remove the GT from the range going forwards.

I ride all 3x boards and love all of them.

Happy surfin,

Gary



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