At 83kg I had fun with this board and in my opinion its great for beginner to intermediate and I reckon to advanced downwinder that dont like falling off on those rougher ocean swells ;)
It's stable on flat water and i could go on for 2hrs+ no probs. I feel my balance was stable during paddle stroke and not trying to balance during paddle stroke on those less than 27 wide narrow boards. Out on the windy bay and ocean bumps was a challenge as expected though once you find both you and board's limit it's a nice ride. Also i must say it's a great looking sup! Thanks to Zuboards and Paul for the board
Gday Jeg , I am pretty keen to get the Allstar probaly the 27 as I am 104 kg . I think the 27 is 330 ltrs and the 28 is less only 317 if my memory serves me correct . I have ridden the 24 on flat water and it flew also the 21 flat water starboard it really really flew ,I am undecided between the falcon the sic fx and the Allstar just looking for a push in the right direction at the moment did consider the ace but I want to do some small wave river mouth surfing. My question to you is how easily did you feel it caught bumps cheers K
Best way to look at things when buying a board is breakdown what you want to do with it such as 20% flatwater 60% downwind and 20% waves then you would buy a dw board, i find this works best with most people, the main thing is buy the board for what you really want to do with it and the rest you can make do as all boards will catch waves paddle in the flat and dw.
If you want a allstar and want to dw paddle it then yes it can be done but it is much harder work as it will require much more foot work and triming to really get the best out of it, if you want to paddle flat water and only try dw every now and then then it will be fine and it surfs ok as well.
Personally i hate these heavy so called hybrid race boards as really the extra weight would drive me nuts!! Yes i know they are cheaper but for a tiny bit more there are options out there now that are far lighter. But this is just my opinion so please don't hate on me for it as I'm sure many think its fine.
Cheers Paul , I have my surf and lake boards so I am just tossing up between a open ocean like a ace because I like the cockpit feel I( I have a old starboard ) but I know they don't surf well ie fill with water . This is the reason why I am thinking these boards are the best option for 1 ft rivermouth surf plus ocean paddle plus the occasional downwinder as we don't get them lining up very often up here cheers K
I agree with paul.j
The 2017 allstar as per website specs = 27" is 322ltr and 28" is 309ltr and you would think the 28" has more volume ltrs but it be must a thickness deference, im not 100% sure.
I think you must decide which brand catches your eyes as most known brands got you covered on all type of sup boards. Any of the boards you mention apart from the ace will do you good though you put a pro on that ace and they make surfing look easy ;)
Also look at the jimmy sidewinder, nsp puma, naish maliko, bark vapor, 404 v3 etc... lots to choose?
If your a lucky one then buy 2 specific boards = ocean and flat.
Never done ocean dw on any sup board so I would leave that question with the seebreeze community to answer. I have surf experience on other surf craft but im not good on sup surf. I've only dw on little ocean bay ripples at least 100mtrs from the shore.
Paul.j there's a few reason why some us choose the hybrid construction = cost of the full carbon, wanted now/new toy and there's only an average of 1kg-ish deference to full carbon board ;) I must admit carbon is nice, light and strong from my past experience but = $ though those cheap brand are getting better.
Its individual and you could buy last years carbon or demo for the price of the latest hybrid but its a personal choice.
The carbon Starboards last year were so ludicrously more expensive than the standard construction ones here in the UK, that even some retailers were admitting to customers that they couldn't justify the extra expense. I suspect that in some markets at least, the brands have discovered how much people will pay for a board.
Area10
To SUP manufactorers and keep this a sectret ;)
Stop combining carbon with other mixed materials you either go a minimum mixed of foam core with carbon outer shell or go full carbon board of multiple layers!
Get your designers together to look into ASAP and send the boards to me to do an average joe test ;)
I have one.... do like the board...very user friendly. I tend to use it for coastal cruising mostly and maybe light downbreezers as it hops onto a wave easy. For DW deffo swap fir the DW board...much easier to handle as that flat rocker gets you but the nose is quite good for popping up.
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Area10
To SUP manufactorers and keep this a sectret ;)
Stop combining carbon with other mixed materials you either go a minimum mixed of foam core with carbon outer shell or go full carbon board of multiple layers!
Get your designers together to look into ASAP and send the boards to me to do an average joe test ;)
I agree in theory.... but I would say sandwich construction is stronger in something that large-just layering carbon alone doesn't make for a strong, long lasting SUP especially if your are riding in chop and ocean swell a lot. I think it can certainly vary depending on the weight of the rider and conditions. Cheers!
How are people finding the hybrid construction, the price is fantastic but I want it to last cheers
Hi,
Just like Krist I would like to know how the Hybrid carbon construction is like?
Is it that much slower than the CS construction or is it more about difference in flex and reactivity?
If you want to do a few fun beachraces and do some downwind sessions for fun, do you really need that CS?
Cheers, Karl
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Hi,
Just like Krist I would like to know how the Hybrid carbon construction is like?
Is it that much slower than the CS construction or is it more about difference in flex and reactivity?
If you want to do a few fun beachraces and do some downwind sessions for fun, do you really need that CS?
Cheers, Karl
So far the construction seems pretty solid on the hybrid....no issues on mine. If I was flush with cash I would go the carbon just for being lighter to carry and I often need to carry too bloody far! But, unfortunately, I am not flush with cash!
I've had a Hybrid 14x27 since January this year. Seems fairly sturdy. I paddle it every week and have the occasional small surf. I've only had to do one repair, but that was caused while transporting.
The only thing I don't like about it is how the wind catches the nose when paddling across the wind.
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I've had a Hybrid 14x27 since January this year. Seems fairly sturdy. I paddle it every week and have the occasional small surf. I've only had to do one repair, but that was caused while transporting.
The only thing I don't like about it is how the wind catches the nose when paddling across the wind.
Yup, same with all these big volume nosed boards.
Wouldn't the falcons nose be bigger ? I didn't find that to rough in side wind on the short paddle I did
Falcon vs. All Star nose pictures are on this thread:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Every-DWers-a-good-one/
Falcon nose presents less area to side winds and chop.
As Slab pointed out no issue with the hybrid. You either pay extra $ with 1.3kg less weight to the full carbon and or wait for the next year after sales or find an xdemo & new. Any board will suffer from side on wind/chop though some can handle better than others and the individual skill level does help. I would like to see a mutiple board test results to see which board brand is better in those condition? For some reason the allstar model are hard to find on either carbon or hybrid & costly for 2nds & new. Depends on your weight and skill level I think the allstar 27" is an all rounder if your into allstar and any narrower than 27" is more specific board category. Other brands have 26" wide and that looks like my limit of an all rounder board. Those 23 or 24 or 25 wide boards I think are for advance sup riders or your super light weight at mid 70kg and below. I find the narrower board hard work to balance when paddling like a pro ;)
Knowing the brand isn't going to help you know how good a board is in cross-winds. Just look instead at how much area the nose presents to the wind, and that will tell you plenty. This is why full-on planing style DW boards like the Bullet V1, M14 etc, and even the slightly rounded nose DW boards like the Coreban Dart and Bullet V2 are so much better at crosswinds and cross-swell than boof nose boards or large full displacement ones with big nose volume. It's pretty easy to understand - the fin provides a fulcrum around which the board will turn, and a crosswind will affect the most the part of the board that presents most area to it. If that happens to be the nose, and the nose is a long way from the fin, then you've got a big turning force acting, lever-style, on the board. It's not rocket surgery. For this reason, the boards that will generally resist crosswinds best are those where the side-on area of the nose is less than at the tail.
Good edit PT.
the all star does get better and better every year for a go to race/down wind board option.
Nice one PTWoody!
How did find that buff nose dw? I guess staying further back helps. Looks like the board get lots of speed on those runners?
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Nice one PTWoody!
How did find that buff nose dw? I guess staying further back helps. Looks like the board get lots of speed on those runners?
I really liked the nose. It just feels like it will never boof and kick you over the handlebars. I didn't have to get too far back either. Don't think I was ever on the last bit of tail pad.
the 2016 27" goes well on flats and even better by changing to a race specific fin but not as fast as flat specific board the sprint and others. I'm not sure about the 2017 allstar 27" flat performance?
