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2014 x32 going soft under feet

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Created by adamart > 9 months ago, 8 Apr 2015
adamart
QLD, 58 posts
8 Apr 2015 5:01PM
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I recently bought a 2nd hand x32 8',8 and I've noticed there are 2 large deck compressions where I stand... Both are a bit bigger than my feet. When the board is dry they appear to go away but as soon as I stand on the board the appear.

Has anyone else had this happen? As I purchased it second hand I'm assuming that the warranty doesn't transfer. It doesn't seem to affect the performance if the board so is this just how they are?.... This is my first experience owning a naish.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Chris1973
13 posts
8 Apr 2015 3:35PM
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I'm sorry to give you bad news, but if the compressions are visible when you're standing on them but not when the board is left unused then it's a sure bet of delamination. The skin of the board has detouched from the foam and you have to repair the board or pretty soon it 'll be useless.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
8 Apr 2015 5:52PM
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Should be like a cumfee pair of slippers in the standing area now.. IMO a little bit can be a good thing..

The new 11' Nalu is even designed like that from new.. I wouldn't worry too much but keep an eye on it..

Windsurfing boards used to get compressions under the foot strap area after being used only a few times and no one ever worried about it..

I'd check with your local sup shop and see what they say..



colas
5364 posts
8 Apr 2015 4:07PM
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DJ, what you are talking of are permanent depressions that do not move. You are right, they are no problem.

But like Chris1973, if the skin moves, that a very different issue, and it should be repaired as soon as possible as the damage will spread fast with each use.

Normally you can repair it yourself by drilling small holes and injecting resin till it pour out the other holes, and putting a weight on the area for the resin to harden (and remove excess resin that could overheat).

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
8 Apr 2015 6:22PM
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colas said...
DJ, what you are talking of are permanent depressions that do not move. You are right, they are no problem.

But like Chris1973, if the skin moves, that a very different issue, and it should be repaired as soon as possible as the damage will spread fast with each use.

Normally you can repair it yourself by drilling small holes and injecting resin till it pour out the other holes, and putting a weight on the area for the resin to harden (and remove excess resin that could overheat).


Yeah.. Deck skin moving up and down is not good..

adamart
QLD, 58 posts
8 Apr 2015 8:39PM
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I had a closer look at them this arvo and I can still see the compressions when the board is dry. Basically I can feel 2 compressed areas running parallel. When I push down in the spots the skin does not move up and down. The area is a bit softer than the rest of the deck but it is only where I stand. Will still get the local shop to check it out though

burleighlocal
255 posts
8 Apr 2015 7:44PM
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I have a 9.1 x32…where I stand has compressions…Like DJ say's it is like a comfy pair of slippers now. All good imo….

linter
223 posts
8 Apr 2015 9:12PM
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dj:

between "cumfee" and "Deck skin moving up and down," you really got me wondering what's going on at your place tonight ... ( )

cantSUPenough
VIC, 2131 posts
8 Apr 2015 11:47PM
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adamart said..
I had a closer look at them this arvo and I can still see the compressions when the board is dry. Basically I can feel 2 compressed areas running parallel. When I push down in the spots the skin does not move up and down. The area is a bit softer than the rest of the deck but it is only where I stand. Will still get the local shop to check it out though


Let us know what they say - mine has the same indentations.

Brenno
QLD, 898 posts
9 Apr 2015 12:23AM
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Poor bugger, know how you feel.

Windgenuity
NSW, 674 posts
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9 Apr 2015 11:14AM
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Hi Adamart,

Definitely taking the board into your local Naish Dealer is the best option. They will give you the best advise as to the next action to take.

With any Pro-Performance item whether it be a surfboard, raceboard, bike, surfski, etc.. of any brand, they will often show some signs of use over time, and depending on how it has been used this can vary from item to item. I am sure your dealer will contact us to discuss if there is any reason to believe there is evidence of faulty workmanship or materials at play here.

Ride safe,

regards,

JB
Naish Australia

Nede
NSW, 38 posts
9 Apr 2015 5:12PM
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Hi JB,
I have been thinking of purchasing an X32 but not sure on whether to get get a GT or LE. Which is the stronger construction.
Nede

adamart
QLD, 58 posts
9 Apr 2015 10:04PM
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Thanks for the reply JB

i dropped into see Luke at Ocean addicts this afternoon and he had a good look at the board. The deck compression does not look like it is due to materials etc..... Simply use. He mentioned that this years models have been made a different way which has strengthened up the area under the deck pad. The solution will be to put some expandable foam under the depressed area to fill any gaps.

Thanks to all for the advice and suggestions. I absolutely love the x32, since coming off my allwave it has improved my riding considerably..

JB
NSW, 2232 posts
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10 Apr 2015 7:30AM
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Hey Nede,

The GT is by far the best strength to weight ratio construction available (IMO). The weigh off is weight, to achieve something, you have to give something up, in this case the LE light weight vs the GT durability. Given this the weight difference is not even really all that much and the new LE Carbon Honeycomb sandwich construction is super strong (noticeable tighter skin tension and better durability than the previous construction). So probably more so the question would be price. The GT is really well priced for a performance board. If your shopping on a price point, then you can't beat the GT. If you're looking for value for money and you're not overly uber high performance driven, then in the 7'10" and 8'3" I would go either way, the 8'8" is a 50/50/50, as all their weight are very close. Once you get into the 9'1" and 9'6" there is a notable weight difference however definitely not a deal breaker.

Adamart, Luke is correct and knows his stuff. You will likely find that even with a bit of deck drop, you will not have any issues. Sounds like he has you sorted. Super stoked your loving the X32, it is the best performing wide short board on the makert (again IMO).

Ride safe,

JB

Nede
NSW, 38 posts
10 Apr 2015 2:29PM
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JB
Thanks for the info. Just bought the 8'8 LE for my local dealer. Looking forward to getting it on the water this weekend.
Thanks
Nede.

adamart
QLD, 58 posts
7 May 2015 10:10AM
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Update date on my board..... It's stuffed!!

The guys at Ocean Addicts have had a closer look at it and it appears that the skin has cracked at some point under the deck pad due to the compression of the foam which has caused water to get into the board which has made it worse.

Basically the board is beyond repair so it looks like it is time to save my pennies for a new board as I don't this sort of thing is covered under warranty.

I guess that is the risk you take when purchasing a second hand board.....even when you ask the seller if there is any compression of the deck etc and they tell you .... no it's all fine Not going to mention who you are on this forum but you know who you are.

On a happier note, I cannot fault the service and advice I have received from Luke at Ocean Addicts.... they have gone out of their way to assist me and have even given me a board to borrow for our holidays at Byron this weekend.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
7 May 2015 12:21PM
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Bummer.. Just goes to show you need to catch these things early before the damage is too costly..

If they can put broken boards together someone should be able to repair it.

adamart
QLD, 58 posts
7 May 2015 1:30PM
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Apparently they can't get the deck grip off to repair under it without destroying the grip

DoubleO
20 posts
7 May 2015 11:36AM
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DavidJohn said..

colas said...
DJ, what you are talking of are permanent depressions that do not move. You are right, they are no problem.

But like Chris1973, if the skin moves, that a very different issue, and it should be repaired as soon as possible as the damage will spread fast with each use.

Normally you can repair it yourself by drilling small holes and injecting resin till it pour out the other holes, and putting a weight on the area for the resin to harden (and remove excess resin that could overheat).



Yeah.. Deck skin moving up and down is not good..

Normally you can repair it yourself by drilling small holes and injecting resin till it pour out the other holes, and putting a weight on the area for the resin to harden (and remove excess resin that could overheat).

yeah maybe not the best thing to to do unless you're ok with a bodge job. The resin will create a hardpoint and shear zones... evetually it will crack and you'll be back to square one
for a better bodge you'd drill multple holes and inject expanding epoxy foam then weight down or vacuum bag.
best to get it cut out and relaminated, golden rule...... replace like for like.... if you can

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
7 May 2015 1:49PM
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adamart said..
Apparently they can't get the deck grip off to repair under it without destroying the grip


That's no biggie IMO

adamart
QLD, 58 posts
7 May 2015 1:52PM
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I was going to give it a go with a 3M adhesive removal spray that we use in our picture framing factory..... it normally gets off anything.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
7 May 2015 3:04PM
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Not good news, but DJ is correct that the deck grip is only a minor issue. Some solvents work on softening contact adhesive but you want to try a very small area first as it may affect your board. A hairdryer and spatula or if you're very careful, 'Gunwash' (cheap and watered-down paint thinners) in a plastic bottle with a small nozzle will work with a spatula and keep working it in. I've removed grip from a couple of WS boards this way without any issue.

nicoo
VIC, 86 posts
17 May 2015 9:49PM
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@ adamant, how deep were the compressions? My mana gt 8,5 has developed then after a few surfs. Putting a straight edge across I measure about 2mm depth, doesn't sound a lot but when in the ocean looks more noticeable with water ponding either side of handle where I stand. Also would be more taking into account the convex rounded existing top surface. I only weigh about 68 kg. It's very difficult to assess whether the board is soft due to the soft deck grip. How long is the Naish warranty? Had for 1/2 yr.

slugga
VIC, 172 posts
17 May 2015 11:55PM
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Getting deck grip off is easy I just changed the grip on my starboard wide point just wet a towel or rag in thinners lay it on the grip wrap the towel and grip in plastic like a garbage bag and leave it for few hours this will get into the grip and glue and it will come off in one sheet the hard part is getting off the leftover glue residue I just used a spray bottle and a wax scraper and slowly got the deck clean

Mwstard
93 posts
18 May 2015 4:47AM
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Recently used this method to remove the decjgrip off my Hokua. Works fine, just got to be methodical. Might be trickier over a delam as it would pull that up too, but if its delaminated to that degree, it needs to come off anyway.
Probably work getting the deck grip off and then getting the local shaper/repair shop to look at whats possible. I've repaired medium sized delay areas on surfboards with pretty good success.

adamart
QLD, 58 posts
18 May 2015 12:24PM
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I picked up the board last week and the repairer has drilled holes in the deck and poured some resin into the sunken area.... not the nicest looking repair but it will do. Sill a little bit soft but a lot better than what it was. I'm not going to try and get the deck off now as I worried about what will happen around where the resin holes are.

Took it out for a quick spin on Friday and it seems to be fine so just going to ride it and enjoy it.



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