Anyone from here.
www.lakesmail.com.au/story/4812358/man-charged-after-lake-macquarie-yacht-drama/?cs=749
Interesting. The story says "the man's vessel had been deemed unseaworthy by Roads and Maritime Services and was in the process of being impounded".
I didnt know RMS could do that? Whats the definition of "unseaworthy"? What about the dozens of mooring minders?
At Bayview there is always craft on the Blue moorings. In fact one sank at mooring in 2015/2016.
Mooring minders should be policed. Also those who keep their craft elsewhere and leave mooring vacant should be stopped.
The waiting list near us at Bayview is huge (2 to 3 year wait) and yet RMS do nothing about mooring minders. Some near us have growth on hull 3 to 4" thick. In the past 4 years I've only seen RMS impound one (Bluebird) near us and it was a slow process (displaying notice on mooring minder).
It would be so simple for RMS to check it out (record mooring number, take photo, send to registered person do a 2nd check and evict if craft not clean. Take mooring minder to Kimbriki Tip!!!
Select to expand quoteTrek said..
Interesting. The story says "the man's vessel had been deemed unseaworthy by Roads and Maritime Services and was in the process of being impounded".
I didnt know RMS could do that? Whats the definition of "unseaworthy"? What about the dozens of mooring minders?
Happens all the time. It can be something as simple as the boat being untidy. Depends on the MSB blokes attitude. One bloke we had here did not like concrete boats. One steel motor cruiser was condemned here while it was on the slips. Was craned off onto a semi and disappeared. Two boats on the hard here now waiting to be removed at tax payers expense!
I don't know who he is but he's at least shown the basta*ds that they can't just harass people and steal their possessions without getting a fight, it's going to be happening more and more as the damned cops and the crats and the stinking pollies find more and more ways of taking from the people they're supposedly there to serve, three cheers for a battler.
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I don't know who he is but he's at least shown the basta*ds that they can't just harass people and steal their possessions without getting a fight, it's going to be happening more and more as the damned cops and the crats and the stinking pollies find more and more ways of taking from the people they're supposedly there to serve, three cheers for a battler.
Absolutely couldn't agree more. Its the Nanny State.
Near my boat two of those 'poor battlers proud possessions' type disgraceful mooring minders were tagged and removed recently.
I can only congratulate Maritime for it as half of the moorings in Sydney are occupied by boats which are a disgrace.
I found Bruskies outburst rather funny.
Aren't you a demagogue from speakers corner in disguise? 
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Near my boat two of those 'poor battlers proud possessions' type disgraceful mooring minders were tagged and removed recently.
I can only congratulate Maritime for it as half of the moorings in Sydney are occupied by boats which are a disgrace.
I found Bruskies outburst rather funny.
Aren't you a demagogue from speakers corner in disguise?
Actually I'm from Anarchists United, people like you remind me of a saying that came out of the Jewish Ghetto during WW2, I'll paraphrase it, when they came for the machineguns I didn't complain, as I didn't have a machinegun, When they came for the rifles I didn't complain, as I didn't have a rifle, When they came for the shotguns I didn't complain, as I didn't have a shotgun, when they came for the pistols, I didn't complain, as I didn't have a pistol, Then they came for me and nobody was game enough to complain as they had all the weapons. So when you disparage other peoples property as a disgrace, just ask yourself how loud will you yell when they come for your possessions, the simple truth is that whether the mooring minders are a disgrace in your eyes or not they are still owned by somebody who pays good money to use that mooring, and the Government whether Federal, State or Local should not be stealing them, legal theft is still theft....
Presumably you rent a mooring under a contract with certain requirements. If you breach those requirements then there are consequences.
I know that we live in a "it's always someone else's fault" society, but sometimes you gotta face the results of the commitments you make.
If you choose to speed, don't whinge about getting a ticket.
Cheers
Bristle
I like how some people have an opinion on something they know nothing about.
Only a hand full of people actually know what was actually going on behind the scenes.
As far as mooring minders go. If it is unsafe remove it!
I live on Lake Macquarie and paddle around the moorings regularly. The boats they are putting notices on are the worst of a bad bunch. One near me was partially submerged, mast and rigging came down in a storm, and it still took them over a year to put a tag on it!
Oh. An anarchist! Reading your contributions in the last age, l was wondering! Ok. No cment.
I hope your gall bladder is ok.
However, you are welcome to comment on this three pictures. All of the vessels - which once were someone's proud property - were removed by Maritime. Two of them in the last eighteen months. Both of them were my next door neighbours to boot.
So here is another opportunity to repeatedly kick the authorities for their inconsiderate bullish behavior.
Those vessels are poignant examples of what should not be tolerated on our waterways.
Their owners - might or might not be anarchists - but they are inconsiderate fools and enemies of their own financial interests and no seamans at all to boot.
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Oh. An anarchist! Reading your contributions in the last age, l was wondering! Ok. No cment.
I hope your gall bladder is ok.
However, you are welcome to comment on this three pictures. All of the vessels - which once were someone's proud property - were removed by Maritime. Two of them in the last eighteen months. Both of them were my next door neighbours to boot.
So here is another opportunity to repeatedly kick the authorities for their inconsiderate bullish behavior.
Those vessels are poignant examples of what should not be tolerated on our waterways.
Their owners - might or might not be anarchists - but they are inconsiderate fools and enemies of their own financial interests and no seamans at all to boot.
What sirgallivant said!
The Maritime services spend a lot of time chasing down the owners of these vessels before they act. Some how the owners disappear. The boats are lifted out and stored on the hard for 3 months so the owners have a chance to claim them. The two here have been waiting for well over three months. They will be destroyed eventually. The MSB has a fund [taxpayers money] set aside to sort out these boats. In the latest "Afloat magazine there is an article on how the MSB is also trying to find new owners for some of the more historic vessels they have acquired. One of the boats is one of the ex navy 40 foot workboats and looks like the boat I used to run out of HMAS Waterhen in 1969.
Select to expand quoteMorningBird said..sirgallivant said..
Oh. An anarchist! Reading your contributions in the last age, l was wondering! Ok. No cment.
I hope your gall bladder is ok.
However, you are welcome to comment on this three pictures. All of the vessels - which once were someone's proud property - were removed by Maritime. Two of them in the last eighteen months. Both of them were my next door neighbours to boot.
So here is another opportunity to repeatedly kick the authorities for their inconsiderate bullish behavior.
Those vessels are poignant examples of what should not be tolerated on our waterways.
Their owners - might or might not be anarchists - but they are inconsiderate fools and enemies of their own financial interests and no seamans at all to boot.
What sirgallivant said!
I agree. Rights and responsibilities are inseparable.
There are many people who think just because they have a boat that just floats, they have some right to self expression of a lack of responsibility to, and defiance of the "Laws of the Sea", and I am not talking about laid down written laws.
This is Australia and there is no place on Australian Waterways for unseaworthy floating liabilities. If it is not seaworthy, get it off the water and either fix it or destroy it.
These hazardous vessels are all too common in all parts of Australia. We have too many in the Burnett River in Bundaberg that cause unnecessary problems for responsible boat owners here.
Yep, we've got people on this forum who had their boats damaged by careless owners of moored boats.
Moorings are a scarce resource. Why allow them to be held onto by people who obviously have no real interest in having a boat to use? It's not a "nanny state", it's a "think of your responsibility to others" state.
One would hazard a guess that if you could present Maritime with a reasonable case to say that your boat was not unseaworthy and was going to be fixed up, they'd let you keep it. They've got enough on their plates.
As a sort of analogy - if I had an old car and parked it across Bruski's driveway so he couldn't get in or out, would he object if it was removed? After all, he doesn't own the layback or the road in front of his driveway and I own the car and paid good money to use the road, so is it "legal theft" if Bruski removes it or gets the council to remove it? What if the car was leaking petrol and smelled of old prawns?
What about if I anchored an old boat on a piece of rotten rope just upwind of Bruski's boat in a 30 knot breeze, told him I had no insurance or assets, and then rowed away? Would he be philosophical or would he be stressed or angry? After all, if I've paid for the boat then he has no right to move it does he?
The guy who got in trouble had his boat on the police mooring 100 metres away from my boat for over a month.
I did see him on the boat at first. He had a swivel chair on the Hartley and it looked sort of interesting. I waved but got no response, he probably didn't see me.
Then he was gone, but the boat stayed on the Police mooring. It says on the float itself that the police mooring is an emergency mooring. People put boats that have broken their mooring on it for a few days before they get their own fixed. The swivel chair fell overboard but hooked on the lifelines, the mainsail was 3 metres up the mast and flapped away, day after day, week after week. Then the head flapped off the rest of the main. Companionway doors open. The boat looked abandoned.
Last weekend, or the weekend before, I saw a guy on it. The main tied down and the Police trying to talk to the guy. He shouted something and the police went away. The boat looked somewhat cleaned up. Later I heard the news.
I am glad the guy is now not near my boat. An poorly kept, heavy ferro boat is not what you want to the west of you in the winter in my bay (which is open to the west). The guy could have anchored on a good set up, rented a mooring, pulled his main down, put the swivel chair ashore, cleaned his boat, and made it seaworthy.
I don't know the owner but the boat was close to a wreck. I am all for people living on their boats free of hassles but, this guy is not the test case to go into battle for.
cheers
Phil
Im not saying anything!!
After the moorings are freed up do they go back as available?
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Im not saying anything!!
After the moorings are freed up do they go back as available?
Depends on where you are and the attitude of your local maritime personnel. Here they make an effort to hand on existing mooring equipment to newcomers
There is a lot more to this story going around the lake . Allegedly this all started when somebody sold this yacht to this person who has mental issues .The yacht is unseaworthy the person who sold the yacht to him then takes him down to the RMS transfers the yacht over to him ,and I guess takes his money and runs? .
This person then breaks into another yacht and steals basically everything that isn't bolted down to furnish he new investment and trashes the by rest ripping doors off hinges ,crapping in the head etc and leaves ,leaving $15.000 plus damage to the yacht .He is known as the "floating squatter"
The problem I see with these old wrecks is ? there is no pink slip as such to say a vessel is seaworthy like vehicles have . If there was you wouldn't have these wrecks etc clogging up our bays . secondly it wouldn't be hard to police as the maritime do patrols of bays for rego checks moorings and the like . but maybe this all to hard for them ?
Bj
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The guy who got in trouble had his boat on the police mooring 100 metres away from my boat for over a month.
I did see him on the boat at first. He had a swivel chair on the Hartley and it looked sort of interesting. I waved but got no response, he probably didn't see me.
Then he was gone, but the boat stayed on the Police mooring. It says on the float itself that the police mooring is an emergency mooring. People put boats that have broken their mooring on it for a few days before they get their own fixed. The swivel chair fell overboard but hooked on the lifelines, the mainsail was 3 metres up the mast and flapped away, day after day, week after week. Then the head flapped off the rest of the main. Companionway doors open. The boat looked abandoned.
Last weekend, or the weekend before, I saw a guy on it. The main tied down and the Police trying to talk to the guy. He shouted something and the police went away. The boat looked somewhat cleaned up. Later I heard the news.
I am glad the guy is now not near my boat. An poorly kept, heavy ferro boat is not what you want to the west of you in the winter in my bay (which is open to the west). The guy could have anchored on a good set up, rented a mooring, pulled his main down, put the swivel chair ashore, cleaned his boat, and made it seaworthy.
I don't know the owner but the boat was close to a wreck. I am all for people living on their boats free of hassles but, this guy is not the test case to go into battle for.
cheers
Phil
I didn't realise that this was the same boat. I have been paddling past it at Valentine for a while. It was a dump. He even had a chair tied and hanging off the side as what I assumed was a way for them to climb on board.
Think of the worst dero house you have seen. That is what it looked like. Now imagine it next to your house!
I don't mind if someones boat looks crap or sinks on its mooring but no one wants another boat to break loose and collide into their boat in a blow.
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There is a lot more to this story going around the lake . Allegedly this all started when somebody sold this yacht to this person who has mental issues .The yacht is unseaworthy the person who sold the yacht to him then takes him down to the RMS transfers the yacht over to him ,and I guess takes his money and runs? .
This person then breaks into another yacht and steals basically everything that isn't bolted down to furnish he new investment and trashes the by rest ripping doors off hinges ,crapping in the head etc and leaves ,leaving $15.000 plus damage to the yacht .He is known as the "floating squatter"
The problem I see with these old wrecks is ? there is no pink slip as such to say a vessel is seaworthy like vehicles have . If there was you wouldn't have these wrecks etc clogging up our bays . secondly it wouldn't be hard to police as the maritime do patrols of bays for rego checks moorings and the like . but maybe this all to hard for them ?
Bj
Be careful what you say BJ, imagine annual haul out and survey $ 
maybe a better solution would be as I've read elsewhere is to allow the sub leasing of moorings, so folks aren't obliged to tie some old dunga on to keep the spot( but do they need the spot ?), or maybe an annual regatta, sort of like musical chairs except if your boat can't move then you lose.
I'm not much of a rules n regs guy but I have to say when a less than observant skipper dropped his boat on my mooring at Toronto a quick call to Glen at Maritime had it sorted. Glen hooked up the other guy, moved him to his correct mooring, collected my boat off the commercial mooring and hooked it back on mine - all while I was at work.
When Glen rang to say all done, I asked how much, contribution to waifs and widows etc? Answer: nothing, all part of the service, no paperwork no whingeing just done.
I can't speak for anyone else but my RMS experience on the Lake was excellent.
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I'm not much of a rules n regs guy but I have to say when a less than observant skipper dropped his boat on my mooring at Toronto a quick call to Glen at Maritime had it sorted. Glen hooked up the other guy, moved him to his correct mooring, collected my boat off the commercial mooring and hooked it back on mine - all while I was at work.
When Glen rang to say all done, I asked how much, contribution to waifs and widows etc? Answer: nothing, all part of the service, no paperwork no whingeing just done.
I can't speak for anyone else but my RMS experience on the Lake was excellent.
I have the utmost respect for Glen!! A true gentleman. Pity they're all not like him.
One boat gets moved on, another appears in its place.
I saw this boat floating (may have been anchored ) very close to shore on the other side of the bay, while driving out to my boat two weeks ago.
I wondered where it had gone, then saw it on the police mooring last weekend, this where the boat that K mentioned was moored before the incident.
In need of a lot of TLC and mast, I wonder what will happen to it now?
Yeah, that one was anchored in the Bay for a while. Seems like tempting fate to be on the police mooring. Nice cat off its starboard quarter though.
Funny looking rig on the cat..... I wonder if the owner knows what he's doing with it?
