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When does a sail boat become a yacht? Or does it . Or who cares.

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Created by Bananabender > 9 months ago, 30 Jul 2019
Bananabender
QLD, 1610 posts
30 Jul 2019 8:24AM
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If you have looked in Gumtree for a boat you will know that they can be listed under yacht and/or sailboat and/or sail boat whereas a "motor boat" can be listed as a yacht, super yacht, motor cruiser or motor boat . Some say over 30 feet is a yacht and under is either a sailboat or motor cruiser whereas others say 20 . If all pleasure craft are yachts does that include jet skis? Finally if I have a sail boat , which I term it to be is it a sailboat or sail boat.

shane450
54 posts
30 Jul 2019 6:35AM
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Someone told me once a boat is a Yacht if someone else does all the fixing and skippering , if you do it yourself its just a boat :)

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2661 posts
30 Jul 2019 9:02AM
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Bananabender said..
If you have looked in Gumtree for a boat you will know that they can be listed under yacht and/or sailboat and/or sail boat whereas a "motor boat" can be listed as a yacht, super yacht, motor cruiser or motor boat . Some say over 30 feet is a yacht and under is either a sailboat or motor cruiser whereas others say 20 . If all pleasure craft are yachts does that include jet skis? Finally if I have a sail boat , which I term it to be is it a sailboat or sail boat.




Hi BB,
The term yacht goes back to the Dutch jacht,which loosely translates to hunt or ship for hunting. They were small light and fast, and slowly became popular for taking out people rather than merely hunting and plundering.
King Charles II returned from exile in a Dutch supplied 60' jacht in the 1600's starting the link between royalty and 'jachting'.
So the proper definition and origin of a ' yacht' is a light and fast sailing vessel.
Sooo respectfully, if you are a stink boat or jet ski owner please go and find your own name. 'Brick' is freely available as an example, or 'mistake' springs to mind......

garymalmgren
1365 posts
30 Jul 2019 7:20AM
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Yacht = a pleasure boat that you can sleep on.
I understand the Dutch origin, but was under the understanding that in Victorian ( or slightly earlier) times Dutch families lived aboard, sailed and traded across the channel and the Brits picked up the idea of cruising under sail and the name "yacht".

Gary

Subsonic
WA, 3384 posts
30 Jul 2019 7:22AM
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Has an enclosed cabin seems to be a favoured difference. (Talking about actual yachts)

Stink boats, dunno. I'd never refer to the cabin cruisers we have here in australia as a yacht. It seem to be attached to a boat of decadence. Eg the big sleek european types. (Not that they are actually yachts)

crewloose
NSW, 52 posts
30 Jul 2019 10:40AM
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I'm of the understanding that anything above 12m x 4m should be referred to as a ship and that you're obligated to whack anybody that doesn't agree.. but maybe I'm misinformed.

tired
137 posts
30 Jul 2019 8:46AM
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My son, who pilots a 14 metre work boat, will be thrilled to bits he can call it a ship now,

Me?
I'm definitely in the don't care camp,

Bananabender
QLD, 1610 posts
30 Jul 2019 12:16PM
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I understand where everyone is coming from in regard to the origin of the word however as a sail was the only means of propulsion other than
human effort perhaps the word jacht originally meant small light water craft .
I suppose the most famous boat to use the word yacht is the royal yacht Britannia and that is no sailboat. Looking through this year's Sanctuary Cove Book is seems that anything over ten metres is either a motor yacht or sailing yacht. Anything under ,whatever grabs you.
Until I moved to Qld. My opinion was the same as Shaggys.
Oh , so Shaggy from your pics is it safe to say fusion was a pleasure yacht for the day?

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
1 Aug 2019 6:13PM
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It's not whether you can sleep on it; Etchells, Six Metres, the later 12 Metres and IACC boats are all yachts and you can't sleep on them. Flying 15s, Stars, Dragons etc are called yachts too.

Up to at least the '50s in NZ even racing dinghies were yachts. It seems to have been the same in Victoria for many years, which is why there are lots of dinghy clubs called yacht clubs.

In the 19th century in Victoria most of the yachts were open boats like Couta boats. They were basically called "yachts" because they were not working boats and were better maintained and finished.

Herreshoff and other sailors of the 19th century called steam yachts 'yachts' so it's not just motive power. Basically it seems there's no fixed definition

LooseChange
NSW, 2140 posts
1 Aug 2019 10:50PM
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One descriptor I have seen states it like this, if a boat during a turn heels inwards it is a boat and conversely if it heels outward it is a ship.



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