Select to expand quoteGday, im looking for a genoa and a main for my triton 24, any help would be appreciated.
Max measurements
Genoa, luff 9.068, leech 9.000, foot 4.624.
Main, luff 8.078, foot 2.996.
Thanks for your time
Select to expand quoterumblefish said..
J24 main would fit if you cut 500mm off the luff
Might make the foot a bit short?
Hi I've got a few second hand head sails you can have, came off my tophat 25 so should be an ok size. I've got a number 2 and 3 they're yours if you pay mail cost from Melbourne
Cheers
For comparison sake.
about 3k for full battened Main with 2 reefs and hanked headsail.
in good Dacron cloth.
Select to expand quoteRamona said..
What are the dimensions for the mainsail?
~ 7.7m x 2.8m
Select to expand quotePurfler said..
I just bought a new main for a Columbia 22 from FES - c. $750 delivered.
FWIW.
Tim
I am also looking to replace the sails on my folkboat, main & jib, and asked for a quote to FES for a cruising pair of sails. How is the quality of these sails? Just thinking of dacron sails, nothing fancy.
Select to expand quoteGaudian said..Purfler said..
I just bought a new main for a Columbia 22 from FES - c. $750 delivered.
FWIW.
Tim
I am also looking to replace the sails on my folkboat, main & jib, and asked for a quote to FES for a cruising pair of sails. How is the quality of these sails? Just thinking of dacron sails, nothing fancy.
I haven't had a chance to fit it yet - looks OK. I chose the slightly higher spec 5.93oz Challenge Premium High Modulus Dacron. They were good to deal with. Measuring properly is vital, I had the assistance of another member here which was much appreciated.
Tim
Earlier this year I purchased from FES for my 20 footer.
1. Main
challenge performance cruise cloth 5 1/8 oz.cloth cross cut.
two reefs,Cunningham , leech line , 4 battens, tell tails ,draft stripe etc. slugs,rope foot.alum.head
2. Jib
Challenge high modulus 5.93oz.
hanks, foot and leech lines ,telltails,draft stripe ,alum head
3. Asymmetrical Spin.
Challenge fibremax 44
4. Sock with continuous line for above.
5. Sail bags for each.
Total Cost for the lot.
Aus. $2100 delivered. (Delivery from China was 3 days .From signing off on specs to delivery. 3/4 weeks.
I ordered in two lots to keep under gst.
Cautions.
1. You must be accurate with what you want regarding measurements and add ons such as hanks etc.
I supplied data from Sonata specs. AFTER checking measurements on my boat.
Dont rush this get it right.
If unsure cloth weight etc. tell them what your use will be and ask them.
When they send you sail plan check every measurement again and make sure.
Eg. height centre of clew cringle from boom.what you sign off on is exactly what you will get.
My Regrets
I did not stipulate brass hanks and would have liked larger cringles .
Overall I am very happy , they are well cut and when set right look like rigid foils.
Comments.
I could not justify the cost of buying local for a 32 year old 20 footer that I will not race aggressively or sail beyond the sight of land.
If I were purchasing for a 30 foot plus boat I would reconsider.
Not sure if I want to get into this debate?
But I am a sailmaker of 35+ years. I run my own loft these days after working with larger groups so am completely flexible about where and how I can make sails.
There are 4 components in a sail manufacture a bit like making a cake with eggs, flour, milk and sugar, go short on one of them and you affect the product.
In sails similar with Design, Material, labour and profit!
Design - I have no idea what others use but our sails are done on Smar Azure software.
Material- Assuming all is equal here. Although I know of some companies who use basic Rip stop nylon ( for drop sheets etc) for spinnakers not actual sail cloth. Beware of quoting, exotic names like high-performance and premium plus are actually budget cloths.
Labour- the big one, in terms of transparency, we make most of our sails completely in house, others sewn offshore and finished here and some made complete OS. For our larger sails we do utilise a couple of Sri Lankan sail lofts. They are both top end factories in terms of staff, machines and quality of life. We could outsource to cheaper facilities in China or Bangladesh where labour is cheap and inconsequential. But we choose to use a better facility and are quite transparent about our OS manufacturing and supply links in our quotes to these places.
Profit- This is the interesting and flexible one, we are all in business to make money. Our income allows us to live our lives and I can assure you we don't hide away gold bricks from sailmaking. We regard ourselves as honest and transparent as above. Always reluctant to drop our profit to a point where we are just supplying a sail. We can offer a discount and take out some extras .
Regardless, just wanted to explain set up and thoughts from a local perspective.
I'm sorry I do not believe this was a debate of who makes the best sails.
The PO was asking about sails for his boat for a low cost and asked about the quality of FES .
I was able to purchase new for less than secondhand and was quite clear why I went down that path.
I'm sure your not insinuating FES use inferior cloth etc.
By all means highlight the dangers of buying from overseas .
I have read your cut and past a couple of times on other sites and in all honesty believe you would be better served by outlining the advantages of shopping locally. Eg. I always bought my sails from Hood loft Melb and Col A would deliver them to the boat and ensure I was happy with them. Personalised Service.
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..
I'm sorry I do not believe this was a debate of who makes the best sails.
The PO was asking about sails for his boat for a low cost and asked about the quality of FES .
I was able to purchase new for less than secondhand and was quite clear why I went down that path.
I'm sure your not insinuating FES use inferior cloth etc.
By all means highlight the dangers of buying from overseas .
I have read your cut and past a couple of times on other sites and in all honesty believe you would be better served by outlining the advantages of shopping locally. Eg. I always bought my sails from Hood loft Melb and Col A would deliver them to the boat and ensure I was happy with them. Personalised Service.
Your reply has a bit of terseness about it, apologies if you misconstrued.
I was not starting a debate, they tend to get out of control on forums like this.
I actually think the FES sails are well sewn and neat finish, we do get a bit of work fixing engineering issues with the budget online sails which can be frustrating.
I never said FES use inferior cloth but they use a lot of the low end ranges, like the Challenge High Performance mentioned in the quote, as the blurb from challenge goes " enables the sailmaker to make an economical and inexpensive sail". So I did point out the monikers like supercruise, high performance, offshore cruise and premium plus are actually the cheaper ranges from the weavers. Plus I have been told anecdotally by sailcloth manufacturers that 1,000s of metre of seconds grade material gets soaked up by some of the online lofts? But what happens to it, I don't know.
I was trying to highlight the dangers I have seen from buying overseas.
I did write this information for another forum and did cut and paste it, as I thought ( possibly mistakenly) that it was relevant to discussion.
I try and make a policy of not spruiking my own business on forums and other people's social media pages.
I have been a victim of this with FES, who went through and put their website details in the comments section on my sailmaking business blog page, which did annoy me!
Thank You for your response. I respect your knowledge am well aware of your recognition in the sailing (racing) community . Your articles on
sails are always informative. I could be wrong but putting your sails on my little boat would have been almost like wearing RM's to play footy with the kids.
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..
Thank You for your response. I respect your knowledge am well aware of your recognition in the sailing (racing) community . Your articles on
sails are always informative. I could be wrong but putting your sails on my little boat would have been almost like wearing RM's to play footy with the kids.
Thank you and have a great day.
Thanks Tim, Bananabender & Galatea for the input.
I've received the quote from FES for my folkboat. Prices are in US dollars, have a look:
> Performance Mizzen
> 2 Reefs
> 4 Partial Battens Pockets
> 4 Partial Battens
> Draft Stripe, Telltails, Triple Stitched
> Sailbag
> Aluminum Headboard, Leech line, Cam Cleat
> Radial Patches Head, Clew and Tack
> Sail Slides or slugs included
> P: 8.75m E: 3.60m
> Sail Area : 16.85m2
>
> 6.63oz Challenge Premium High Modulus Dacron - Cross Cut
> Special Net Price 868.00
>
> 6.68oz Challenge FASTNET - Cross Cut
> Special Net Price 835.00
>
> 6.18oz Challenge Performance Cruise - Cross Cut
> Special Net Price 794.00
>
>
> 95% Performance Jib
> Piston Hanks or Luff Tape
> Telltails, Draft Stripe
> Radial Patches Head, Clew and Tack
> Leech Line and Foot line with Cam Cleats
> Triple Stitch, Sail Bag
> I: 7.16m J: 2.52m
> Sail Area : 8.57m2
>
> 6.63oz Challenge Premium High Modulus Dacron - Cross Cut
> Special Net Price 485.00
>
> 6.68oz Challenge FASTNET - Cross Cut
> Special Net Price 341.00
>
> 6.18oz Challenge Performance Cruise - Cross Cut
> Special Net Price 448.00
Looks like the heavier FASTNET cloth is also cheaper.
Cheers,
Ed
I suggest you go to the challenge sail cloth web site read up on them and research each cloth relative to your needs . The performance cruise has been superseded .
BTW a Cunningham added on main will cost USD20
Dont forget GST.
get comparative from your local sailmaker
Select to expand quotetriton24newb said..Gday, im looking for a genoa and a main for my triton 24, any help would be appreciated.
Max measurements
Genoa, luff 9.068, leech 9.000, foot 4.624.
Main, luff 8.078, foot 2.996.
Thanks for your time
G'day Triton,
I've got a laminate No 1 off a Sonata 8 that had less than a year's work if it's any good to you.
Ullman Sails.
Luff 7950mm and foot 3950mm with hanks in vgc.
Just saw this: www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/230685064161937
No idea what it would cost to alter.
Tim
