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To reef or not to reef

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Created by felixdcat > 9 months ago, 16 Nov 2016
felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
16 Nov 2016 3:40PM
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Last race I had only 1 crew to manage my Elliot 7, that made 2 of us aboard. The wind started with a good 12 knot and then picked up to 18/20 knot, was grossly overpowered and the boat was going to over heeling and not performing.
What would you do?
1. Take 2 reef
2. Fly a nr2 jib
3. Take 1 reef and change to a nr 2 jib
I kept my setup and lost lot of time........... also not easy to reef or change jib when short handed
The reefing would not be too bad actually.
Next race if short handed I am planning to reef before starting if we have the same weather.

lydia
1927 posts
16 Nov 2016 4:03PM
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It is an Elliot 7 ,ease the main sheet pull the traveller up and car back on jib

Foolish
65 posts
17 Nov 2016 3:41AM
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Surprisingly it depends on the water conditions. In smooth water, then reefing is like changing to a smaller engine on your car; power is reduced as opposed to being overpowered with full sails. You want to keep your sail plan balanced, so 1 reef and the #2 or #3 jib would be the approach.

But in rougher conditions then Lydia's approach of twisting off the top of the mainsail (and even twisting off the top of the jib as winds build) is the best way to reduce heeling. This is something I do all the time when singlehanding. The thing about twisting off the top is that is allows you to keep a lot of power available when you need it. So if the conditions were rough, then every time you need a boost of power you just steer down by a few extra degrees and have the full mainsail in the wind. This will give you the power boost you need to get back up to full speed. What surprised me was when I interviewed a Figaro Beneteau II skipper for my singlehanded tips book and he told me he doesn't even have reef points, but has sailed in 55 knots. YIKES! He just twists off the top a whole bunch. These guys often sail in rough water and the full sail gives them acceleration power when they need it.

lydia
1927 posts
17 Nov 2016 4:11AM
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It is not about the sàil area it is about the balance of the boat

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
17 Nov 2016 8:16AM
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Thank you guys, I will try the tips. Sounds very interesting!

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
17 Nov 2016 8:20AM
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lydia said..
It is an Elliot 7 ,ease the main sheet pull the traveller up and car back on jib


Yes it is an Eliot 7, I have an adjustable forestay, if I increase the tension on the forestay that will twist the top of the main but will that twist the jib too or will I need to move the jib car toward the front?

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
17 Nov 2016 8:24AM
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Thank you guys, I will try the tips. Sounds very interesting!

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Foolish said..
Surprisingly it depends on the water conditions. In smooth water, then reefing is like changing to a smaller engine on your car; power is reduced as opposed to being overpowered with full sails. You want to keep your sail plan balanced, so 1 reef and the #2 or #3 jib would be the approach.

But in rougher conditions then Lydia's approach of twisting off the top of the mainsail (and even twisting off the top of the jib as winds build) is the best way to reduce heeling. This is something I do all the time when singlehanding. The thing about twisting off the top is that is allows you to keep a lot of power available when you need it. So if the conditions were rough, then every time you need a boost of power you just steer down by a few extra degrees and have the full mainsail in the wind. This will give you the power boost you need to get back up to full speed. What surprised me was when I interviewed a Figaro Beneteau II skipper for my singlehanded tips book and he told me he doesn't even have reef points, but has sailed in 55 knots. YIKES! He just twists off the top a whole bunch. These guys often sail in rough water and the full sail gives them acceleration power when they need it.


Interesting strategy, I'll have a go........ my nr. 1 crew always smile when a suggest reefing.......... His opinion is 'noooooo, reefing is for girls"

lydia
1927 posts
18 Nov 2016 9:36AM
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Good pic of 470 heaps of car back and plenty of mainsail twist upwind in breeze with boom still well inside the boat



So Bit back to front there.
Tightening forestay will tighten shrouds and stand rig up.

Depending on balance, rake the rig and move jib car back to open leach



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