The liveaboard in Sydney with lots of kids

Just read this in the paper there was some talk about this family on here a while back.

****. More tragedy. Top kids. They absolutely love being on the water. I gave them some old surfboards and they made me a heap of oragami sailing boats and drawings. One of the boards was a SLSC nipper training board. I hoped it might come in handy if anything like this ever happened.

What happened?

The article explains what happened.
But if you're referring to the personal grievance above.... Here is not the place.

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Toph said..
The article explains what happened.
But if you're referring to the personal grievance above.... Here is not the place.

Fact not greivience. The judgemental poster tried to make me feel unwelcome due his self-proclaimed right to occupy the safe anchorage inshore of where the tragedy occurred. It would have been so much safer for the kids if the parents had moved the boat in close to Dead horse. The current is really strong out where they were. Not good at all considering how much time the kids loved spending in the water.

Not blaming the parents. They were really cautious about coming in close after having touched bottom at a beach further down. Maritime had also told them how another boat anchored nearby had dragged through the moorings colliding with other yachts.

I tried heaps of times to convince them to move in close where it was safer for the kids. Tried telling them that the other boats like Sail Plans had similar draught and the holding was excellent.

As above, when I first met them on Sydney Harbour I gave the kids a foam SLSC nippers board that would have been handy in a rescue. I was also hoping to give them a few kids life jackets that are now collecting dust in storage. Sure beats judging them because they loved spending time in the water enjoying life?

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SailPlan said..
surfershaneA: Seeing that you opened your thread with an attack, I believe a right of reply is warranted.

1. I do not know you. I have never opened a chat/talk/discussion with anyone along the lines that you have quoted. What "self-proclaimed right to occupy a safe anchorage"? WTF?! Simply, you have the wrong person!
2. This is a forum - people do give opinions. How an opinion given could lead to a bizarre personal attack is beyond me.
3. This has been an incredibly sad incident. Let us pause, and respect that.

Importantly, if I offended by commenting that it scared me seeing children swinging from a mast with no adults on board (and therefore no dinghy to summon help if required), I sincerely apologise for that.

So after your accusations of the kids being left constantly unsupervised, how do you think the mother and older sister who would constantly be watching them feel?

Given how dangerous the current is that 150 m further out from your boat, anyone considerate seeing children who loved the water as much as they did would have encouraged them to move in a safe distance from shore. Instead, you note potential dangers and attribute blame.

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surfershaneA said..

SailPlan said..
surfershaneA: Seeing that you opened your thread with an attack, I believe a right of reply is warranted.

1. I do not know you. I have never opened a chat/talk/discussion with anyone along the lines that you have quoted. What "self-proclaimed right to occupy a safe anchorage"? WTF?! Simply, you have the wrong person!
2. This is a forum - people do give opinions. How an opinion given could lead to a bizarre personal attack is beyond me.
3. This has been an incredibly sad incident. Let us pause, and respect that.

Importantly, if I offended by commenting that it scared me seeing children swinging from a mast with no adults on board (and therefore no dinghy to summon help if required), I sincerely apologise for that.

So after your accusations of the kids being left constantly unsupervised, how do you think the mother and older sister who would constantly be watching them feel?

Given how dangerous the current is that 150 m further out from your boat, anyone considerate seeing children who loved the water as much as they did would have encouraged them to move in a safe distance from shore. Instead, you note potential dangers and attribute blame.

Just woa up there a bit before you hurdle the fence sir knight.
SailPlan said it wasn't him as to whomever you are referencing to.
He is allowed to share his observations, and why the hell is it his responsibility as to the effect of other peoples actions on themselves?
It's tragic and horrible and emotions should run high, but man you're wrong.
We're all responsible for our own lives, blaming neighbors is bull*&^%.

RIP little kid, I'm not judging you and nor was SailPlan.

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shaggybaxter said..

surfershaneA said..

SailPlan said..
surfershaneA: Seeing that you opened your thread with an attack, I believe a right of reply is warranted.

1. I do not know you. I have never opened a chat/talk/discussion with anyone along the lines that you have quoted. What "self-proclaimed right to occupy a safe anchorage"? WTF?! Simply, you have the wrong person!
2. This is a forum - people do give opinions. How an opinion given could lead to a bizarre personal attack is beyond me.
3. This has been an incredibly sad incident. Let us pause, and respect that.

Importantly, if I offended by commenting that it scared me seeing children swinging from a mast with no adults on board (and therefore no dinghy to summon help if required), I sincerely apologise for that.

So after your accusations of the kids being left constantly unsupervised, how do you think the mother and older sister who would constantly be watching them feel?

Given how dangerous the current is that 150 m further out from your boat, anyone considerate seeing children who loved the water as much as they did would have encouraged them to move in a safe distance from shore. Instead, you note potential dangers and attribute blame.

Just woa up there a bit before you hurdle the fence sir knight.
SailPlan said it wasn't him as to whomever you are referencing to.
He is allowed to share his observations, and why the hell is it his responsibility as to the effect of other peoples actions on themselves?
It's tragic and horrible and emotions should run high, but man you're wrong.
We're all responsible for our own lives, blaming neighbors is bull*&^%.

RIP little kid, I'm not judging you and nor was SailPlan.

See the difference here is I like to think of myself as a Waterman. I grew up around the ocean and like to think by now I can identify dangers around the water and act accordingly. As an example, over the years I have saved countless lives in the surf including a couple of late evening and night time rescues that have made the headlines.

Then you get the others who will see a danger and do nothing other than gossip and spread rumours. Most people find this the safe option particularly whilst securely on their posterior behind a keyboard. Sadly, the world today is full of self interest.

Now the difference is when I see kids on a boat who love to swim in an area of strong current I identify a danger. Instead of waiting to after that danger materialises and attributing blame, I try to do something about it. In this case try to encourage the parents to move the boat closer into shore. Noting the parents had valid insecurities for not wanting to do so.

The others who watch and do nothing yet are later happy to make accusations of neglect are in my opinion worthless examples of the lowest order. In this case, the other person even challenged my right to be anchored near them due their claim to have permission to be there waiting for a private mooring to become available. This sort of attitude is another sad reason the child's parents may have been wary of anchoring around other yachts in the safer waters?

So what are you going to do next time you can see someone possibly getting hurt?

And these are great kids. Anyone who can reach out and help the family should do so!

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Chris249 said..

Sectorsteve said..
And I agree with you Shane. These kids will grow up better people than any kids from the eastern suburbs, private schools in their flash houses with their **** parents tryna shaft who they can to get more.

Jeezers, SS, although I came from a single parent family in what was then the western suburbs, you're way too good a person to write off thousands of kids like that, just because of where they live.

Some of the rich eastern suburbs people I know have been born with an entitlement mentality but have ended up very well, some of the were born rich but just plain nice people, and some are idiots. But we can't stereotype tens of thousands of people - unless they are powerboaters or jetskiers, of course.

apologies...my dealings in particular of some folk from bellvue hill who basically stole my tophat off its rightful owner at my time of buying it come to mind. dont like greed.
Ive just realised this isnt in sydney harbour. ...i thought it was , i cant read the article or find it online.

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Sectorsteve said..

Chris249 said..

Sectorsteve said..
And I agree with you Shane. These kids will grow up better people than any kids from the eastern suburbs, private schools in their flash houses with their **** parents tryna shaft who they can to get more.

Jeezers, SS, although I came from a single parent family in what was then the western suburbs, you're way too good a person to write off thousands of kids like that, just because of where they live.

Some of the rich eastern suburbs people I know have been born with an entitlement mentality but have ended up very well, some of the were born rich but just plain nice people, and some are idiots. But we can't stereotype tens of thousands of people - unless they are powerboaters or jetskiers, of course.

apologies...my dealings in particular of some folk from bellvue hill who basically stole my tophat off its rightful owner at my time of buying it come to mind. dont like greed.
Ive just realised this isnt in sydney harbour. ...i thought it was , i cant read the article or find it online.

I can write it out and PM you if you want. Will be later tonight as I have to do things at the moment. Might take a while as when I am posting it is from an iPhone SE. Many many typos that need to be edited.

PS I don't really want to get involved in this "internet war" but I reckon we all just let this go. If your so desperate to keep it going. Just think this is a public forum where people of all ages, religions, genders, races, mindsets can all contribute to a common interest In the ocean.

Regards,
Mick

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surfershaneA said..

shaggybaxter said..

surfershaneA said..

SailPlan said..
surfershaneA: Seeing that you opened your thread with an attack, I believe a right of reply is warranted.

1. I do not know you. I have never opened a chat/talk/discussion with anyone along the lines that you have quoted. What "self-proclaimed right to occupy a safe anchorage"? WTF?! Simply, you have the wrong person!
2. This is a forum - people do give opinions. How an opinion given could lead to a bizarre personal attack is beyond me.
3. This has been an incredibly sad incident. Let us pause, and respect that.

Importantly, if I offended by commenting that it scared me seeing children swinging from a mast with no adults on board (and therefore no dinghy to summon help if required), I sincerely apologise for that.

So after your accusations of the kids being left constantly unsupervised, how do you think the mother and older sister who would constantly be watching them feel?

Given how dangerous the current is that 150 m further out from your boat, anyone considerate seeing children who loved the water as much as they did would have encouraged them to move in a safe distance from shore. Instead, you note potential dangers and attribute blame.

Just woa up there a bit before you hurdle the fence sir knight.
SailPlan said it wasn't him as to whomever you are referencing to.
He is allowed to share his observations, and why the hell is it his responsibility as to the effect of other peoples actions on themselves?
It's tragic and horrible and emotions should run high, but man you're wrong.
We're all responsible for our own lives, blaming neighbors is bull*&^%.

RIP little kid, I'm not judging you and nor was SailPlan.

See the difference here is I like to think of myself as a Waterman. I grew up around the ocean and like to think by now I can identify dangers around the water and act accordingly. As an example, over the years I have saved countless lives in the surf including a couple of late evening and night time rescues that have made the headlines.

Then you get the others who will see a danger and do nothing other than gossip and spread rumours. Most people find this the safe option particularly whilst securely on their posterior behind a keyboard. Sadly, the world today is full of self interest.

Now the difference is when I see kids on a boat who love to swim in an area of strong current I identify a danger. Instead of waiting to after that danger materialises and attributing blame, I try to do something about it. In this case try to encourage the parents to move the boat closer into shore. Noting the parents had valid insecurities for not wanting to do so.

The others who watch and do nothing yet are later happy to make accusations of neglect are in my opinion worthless examples of the lowest order. In this case, the other person even challenged my right to be anchored near them due their claim to have permission to be there waiting for a private mooring to become available. This sort of attitude is another sad reason the child's parents may have been wary of anchoring around other yachts in the safer waters?

So what are you going to do next time you can see someone possibly getting hurt?

And these are great kids. Anyone who can reach out and help the family should do so!

Well done and thanks for your selflessness and bravery (I mean that) but sorry surferShaneA, you're not the only one on this forum that may have saved a few lives, others don't need to use it as justification for throwing weight around. .
Dunno what you have against SailPlan, who I don't know from a bar of soap and nor does he seem to know you, but your moral outrage seems to be more about some slight with a boat thing you're accusing him of more than the story.
Just saying.

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shaggybaxter said..

surfershaneA said..

shaggybaxter said..

surfershaneA said..

SailPlan said..
surfershaneA: Seeing that you opened your thread with an attack, I believe a right of reply is warranted.

1. I do not know you. I have never opened a chat/talk/discussion with anyone along the lines that you have quoted. What "self-proclaimed right to occupy a safe anchorage"? WTF?! Simply, you have the wrong person!
2. This is a forum - people do give opinions. How an opinion given could lead to a bizarre personal attack is beyond me.
3. This has been an incredibly sad incident. Let us pause, and respect that.

Importantly, if I offended by commenting that it scared me seeing children swinging from a mast with no adults on board (and therefore no dinghy to summon help if required), I sincerely apologise for that.

So after your accusations of the kids being left constantly unsupervised, how do you think the mother and older sister who would constantly be watching them feel?

Given how dangerous the current is that 150 m further out from your boat, anyone considerate seeing children who loved the water as much as they did would have encouraged them to move in a safe distance from shore. Instead, you note potential dangers and attribute blame.

Just woa up there a bit before you hurdle the fence sir knight.
SailPlan said it wasn't him as to whomever you are referencing to.
He is allowed to share his observations, and why the hell is it his responsibility as to the effect of other peoples actions on themselves?
It's tragic and horrible and emotions should run high, but man you're wrong.
We're all responsible for our own lives, blaming neighbors is bull*&^%.

RIP little kid, I'm not judging you and nor was SailPlan.

See the difference here is I like to think of myself as a Waterman. I grew up around the ocean and like to think by now I can identify dangers around the water and act accordingly. As an example, over the years I have saved countless lives in the surf including a couple of late evening and night time rescues that have made the headlines.

Then you get the others who will see a danger and do nothing other than gossip and spread rumours. Most people find this the safe option particularly whilst securely on their posterior behind a keyboard. Sadly, the world today is full of self interest.

Now the difference is when I see kids on a boat who love to swim in an area of strong current I identify a danger. Instead of waiting to after that danger materialises and attributing blame, I try to do something about it. In this case try to encourage the parents to move the boat closer into shore. Noting the parents had valid insecurities for not wanting to do so.

The others who watch and do nothing yet are later happy to make accusations of neglect are in my opinion worthless examples of the lowest order. In this case, the other person even challenged my right to be anchored near them due their claim to have permission to be there waiting for a private mooring to become available. This sort of attitude is another sad reason the child's parents may have been wary of anchoring around other yachts in the safer waters?

So what are you going to do next time you can see someone possibly getting hurt?

And these are great kids. Anyone who can reach out and help the family should do so!

Well done and thanks for your selflessness and bravery (I mean that) but sorry surferShaneA, you're not the only one on this forum that may have saved a few lives, others don't need to use it as justification for throwing weight around. .
Dunno what you have against SailPlan, who I don't know from a bar of soap and nor does he seem to know you, but your moral outrage seems to be more about some slight with a boat thing you're accusing him of more than the story.
Just saying.

Your just not getting the point. In fact, I don't think your got a clue. Feel free to carry on with your boys club.

And thanks for reminding me why I haven't bothered contributing here for years. Obviously wasting my time.

Many of us have young kids/grandkids with them on our yachts. This post/story is a tragedy and should serve as a reminder to us all the dangers that are present on the sea or around boats.

Lets have some respect and courtesy for the family (they may be reading this at some point) and stop the other p!ssing contest. Please......

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Toph said..
Many of us have young kids/grandkids with them on our yachts. This post/story is a tragedy and should serve as a reminder to us all the dangers that are present on the sea or around boats.

Lets have some respect and courtesy for the family (they may be reading this at some point) and stop the other p!ssing contest. Please......

Sorry Toph.

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shaggybaxter said..

Toph said..
Many of us have young kids/grandkids with them on our yachts. This post/story is a tragedy and should serve as a reminder to us all the dangers that are present on the sea or around boats.

Lets have some respect and courtesy for the family (they may be reading this at some point) and stop the other p!ssing contest. Please......

Sorry Toph.

It's alright mate. Posts are getting overlapped. Happens when fingers type quicker then emotion