Hi guys.
Someone in the list of previous owners of my s&s 39 thought it wise to add a new and extended keel to 2.4 metres draft.
Lately ive been toying with the idea of shortening this keel to the original design but I'd need to find out the length of the bolts inside.
Any ideas how?
Xray
stud finder
drill a pilot hole down the centre of a bolt
drill small holes in the keel down along the line of the bolt until the drill passes below
If it's lead wouldn't it be easier to cut it off the bottom? Can shape it with electric plane and add the offcut to each side and fair to create a bolb.
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If it's lead wouldn't it be easier to cut it off the bottom? Can shape it with electric plane and add the offcut to each side and fair to create a bolb.
sounds good to me
It would be important to try to find out how the previous owner did it. Did they add more lead in the bottom? Did they replace the whole keel?
Why do you want to cut it back? Are there signs of failure?
Out of interest which S&S 39 do you have ?
I would have thought that most likely, the previous owner kept the same ballast weight, but moved it lower when they extended the keel. The second option is that they used less the ballast. Either way just cutting 0.5m of the bottom is probably going to make the S&S 39 quite tender compared the original design.
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Adding a longer keel not only increases the load on the keel bolts, it increases the load on the hull joint. This could be more of a worry.
It's a different keel from the original with very solid hull connection and seal. Was originally 2.1 meters and now 2.4 but for cruising would like it back to 2.1 or 2. It has also thrown weight forward with about 40mm deeper in bow than on stern. Sails so nicely but would like easier access to cruising grounds. Compromise again.
Hi Saltiest,
Keel bolts will attach to keels in a few different ways. Sometimes they wind in (with various attachment systems) and sometimes they are set in permanently. It is not how far the bolts go in lead for a deeper or a heavier keel, but more the gauge/number of bolts used at higher loads. Normally bolts will be set in 100mm-200mm.
See example here sailboatdata.com/sailboat/ss-34 (the 39 didn't show it)
And specs for the 39 here sailboatdata.com/sailboat/ss-39
From the site there was a number of different set ups that came out. Assuming that the framing/structure has been strengthened to take the extra loads if it has survived all this time.
Sometimes there is a "dead wood' section that is sandwiched between the hull and the lead too. This is normally made from a solid piece of timber (Oregon usually) and is glassed over. A tap test will show this from the outside will show where the lead starts and looking at the sump depth compared to the top of the lead from the outside will show if there is a deadwood sump section. If this is the case, there will be very long bolts from the inside of the hull/sump, through the dead wood and the standard 100mm-200mm into the lead.
If it is a deeper keel set up there invariably will be a bigger rig set up to balance it/justify the change. Assuming they were looking for better race speed/rating at the time???
I'd make super sure of the set up. A small amount of lead (100kg-300kg) removed or depth taken off makes a huge difference on the feel/balance/righting moment of a boat.
I know it is a compromise whilst cruising, but if it sails well that is the main thing. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Great boat by the way mate, good all rounder.
Best of luck!
Adam
Thank so much for that info.
Shes done 2 Hobarts hence the lengthened keel and sails so nicely. Still wouldn't mind shaving a little off though.
I'll chase up more history of the keel and boat before I move forward. The change to a cutter rig is first but the keel a close second.
Reduceing it back from 8 feet to 7 feet? Hmmm.
If one would think about making it a shoal draught - crazy as it sounds - may be - but getting into all that trouble for virtually no gain...?
Hmmm. Ughh.
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Reduceing it back from 8 feet to 7 feet? Hmmm.
If one would think about making it a shoal draught - crazy as it sounds - may be - but getting into all that trouble for virtually no gain...?
Hmmm. Ughh.
+1
