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How much do you fiddle with things

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Created by Donk107 > 9 months ago, 26 Apr 2018
Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
26 Apr 2018 9:05PM
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When my wife and i go sailing she is always telling me to sit down and enjoy the sailing whereas i like adjusting things to try and get a bit more speed or get the boat pointing a bit higher

Just wondering if other forum members are fiddlers like me or are happy just leaving things alone, sit back and enjoy the sailing

Regards Don

Jode5
QLD, 853 posts
26 Apr 2018 9:58PM
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I think it's a boy thing. Two boats on the water is a race. Everything has to look right.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2662 posts
26 Apr 2018 10:05PM
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Donk107 said..
When my wife and i go sailing she is always telling me to sit down and enjoy the sailing whereas i like adjusting things to try and get a bit more speed or get the boat pointing a bit higher

Just wondering if other forum members are fiddlers like me or are happy just leaving things alone, sit back and enjoy the sailing

Regards Don



Absolutely a fiddler! And if you can't trim/ tweak anymore, I'll pull all the lines out of the rope bags and experiment with how to lay up the lines so they feed out of the bags cleanly.

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Jode5 said..
I think it's a boy thing. Two boats on the water is a race. Everything has to look right.



I am definitely guilty of this too!

oldboyracer
NSW, 292 posts
26 Apr 2018 11:36PM
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Depends who's about, during the day I'm not real fussed I just keep it moving . At night on watch I fiddle with every thing trying to get the last knot out of her , probably just to keep me occupied and awake.

sirgallivant
NSW, 1531 posts
27 Apr 2018 6:04AM
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If one might not fiddle, one might as well stay home.
We are going there to fiddle.
Aren't we?

Lazzz
NSW, 910 posts
27 Apr 2018 7:40AM
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sirgallivant said..
If one might not fiddle, one might as well stay home.
We are going there to fiddle.
Aren't we?



Spot on

Newmo
VIC, 471 posts
27 Apr 2018 7:46AM
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It drives my mates nuts, constantly tweaking and making fine adjustments.
I'm not sure it ever makes much difference but that's boats, just messing around on boats

Bananabender
QLD, 1610 posts
27 Apr 2018 8:44AM
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No no no I'm not fiddling I'm trying to get perfection.
I'm constantly reminded of when Hood manager bought down new no.1 Mylar and Main to check out on WAG race just before a Melb./Hob.
He was the trimmer on one of the America's Cup contenders.
On a beat we had an SS34 coming up to leeward and the Hood mgr.
trimmed the sails sat back and said there's no way the SS can pass.
That was until one of my crew decided to have a fiddle with the Genoa .
"Not happy Jan"

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2662 posts
27 Apr 2018 9:21AM
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I love the granularity of sail trim, the precision and benefits of fine tuning never ceases to amaze me.
A few months ago we were in a race on a 5nm beat to windward, close hauled, narrowish channel. It was blowing approx 20 knots, so loads of horsepower on tap, everything sheeted on hard, the crew are all on the rail. An Inglis 38 is no more than a boat length to windward and slightly ahead, and because I can't point as well, I'm trying to drive past to leeward without losing ground.
Every time we tried, we'd run into the dirty air and get spat out the back, and when I got alongside and try and luff him up the Inglis would merrily lift a few degrees to windward and just sneak away.
Grrr.
I tried everything I could and I just didn't have the pointing ability to get past. After about 20 mins of watching the grin on the Inglis helmsman getting wider and wider, one of my seasoned guys jumps off the rail, and sitting down to leeward, he peers up at the headsail, then eases the barber hauler an inch, then grinds on the sheet, so still hard on but moving the clew up a fraction.
The transformation was remarkable. I gained 5 degrees of height, we drove over the back of the Inglis and within a couple of minutes we're 80mtrs to windward and leaving them behind.
Turned out we'd slightly oversheeted the headsail and closed the slot too much between the main and the headsail, stalling the airflow. Mick simply trimmed the headsail to match the curve of the main, opening the slot by lifting the clew position vertically a wee tad.

I marvel at how fine sail trimming can be, I see boats sometimes making large scale adjustments, when it really is a game of inches.
Good fun!

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
27 Apr 2018 10:29AM
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The problem is working out which inches!

It's often surprising how two fairly similar boats may have to be trimmed in very different ways, and also how often one's brilliant theories, honed by deep thought and years of experience, turn out to be completely wrong.

sirgallivant
NSW, 1531 posts
28 Apr 2018 1:11PM
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I second that thought!

The boat l race on is helmed by a fossil, who sets up the sails " the way those sails should be set" regardless of the wind, set, current etc.
Few weeks ago we mutineered and trimmed the sails the way they should be trimmed and we were sitting in fourth place. Then he took over and we came dead last.
It was embarrassing.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
28 Apr 2018 6:09PM
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fiddle hard or ****le offel

andy59
QLD, 1156 posts
28 Apr 2018 9:47PM
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I've really been enjoying learning how to get more out of the boat. It's been a real eye opener to have some great crew on the boat making the fine adjustments that make a massive difference.

lydia
1927 posts
29 Apr 2018 5:57AM
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Want to fiddle, try one of these.
Full credit to Emily Scott, new photography around the traps, keep an eye out.

One main, no reefs and two headsails to go from zero to 30 knots.
Well set up boat is fully powered up in 6 knots true.
Not in the realm of FDs but on water adjustable mast step, lowers, caps, forestay, backstay and mast gate.
all in the balance




wildemann
VIC, 80 posts
29 Apr 2018 9:57AM
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I'm either very lazy or fiddle incessantly. Usually once I have the basic trim about right it's a case of the more I fiddle the slower I go. Typically with racing I'll almost catch up to another boat by touching nothing (including the wheel) then ruin everything with inane attempts toto constantly trim the boat a bit better and drop of the pace.

wildemann
VIC, 80 posts
29 Apr 2018 9:57AM
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I'm either very lazy or fiddle incessantly. Usually once I have the basic trim about right it's a case of the more I fiddle the slower I go. Typically with racing I'll almost catch up to another boat by touching nothing (including the wheel) then ruin everything with inane attempts toto constantly trim the boat a bit better and drop of the pace.

Kankama
NSW, 791 posts
29 Apr 2018 5:13PM
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As the wind and waves are always changing, a fast sailor will always be fluid with helm and trim. All good racers are constantly changing gears, even for each gust and lull. In the end it becomes second nature and the boat will talk to you and let you know what it wants.
Get on YouTube and watch the TP 52 races, quiet talk and lots of motion all the time.

sirgallivant
NSW, 1531 posts
29 Apr 2018 9:08PM
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Well, one can watch the videos day in day out, but y not go out there and experiment?
Go fiddle! Trim! Trim more!
Follow the wind!

wildemann
VIC, 80 posts
29 Apr 2018 10:58PM
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On my laser balance and constant trimming was everything. On a fully crewed race boat I found balance and constant trimming were everything. Single-handed on my keel-boat my attempts at constant trimming end up being a bit slow and reactive after the fact to extract much benefit over just following wind shifts. I still can't stop myself from fiddling though.

boty
QLD, 685 posts
30 Apr 2018 7:32AM
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depends on what im sailing on our heavy displacement yacht when racing adjust on pressure sea state changes when crusing adjust when i have to when sailing sports boats race boats dingys, sheet always in hand regular adjustment of all controls
the more you fiddle the better it sails though with the heavy boat the weight seems to absorb trim adjustment and doesn't need as much attention thats my excuse anyway



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