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How many yachts are needed to start a race

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Created by Donk107 > 9 months ago, 5 Dec 2017
Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
5 Dec 2017 11:44PM
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Hi all

if you have 4 yachts entered in a race series and on the day of the race 2 of the boats don't compete in the race and a third boat intends to compete but has engine trouble and is not able to leave her mooring, is the remaining boat that starts the race and sails the course entitled to take the points for the race win

I have looked in the racing rules of sailing but can not find any answer on this

Thanks in advance

Regards Don

simmrr
WA, 194 posts
5 Dec 2017 11:08PM
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Cant see y not? If it is an organised race, it is not cancelled and you 'ran' the race = you are the winner.
I would add one caveat and that is the above statement is common sense. It does not include misinterpretations or cancellations due to inhouse politics, general over badgering of officials by other so called contestants or bribery.

It also may have been a little more sportsman like to have put off the race until other contestants could join? If not enjoy the champagne!

Also dissapointed there was no punch line.

Ramona
NSW, 7742 posts
6 Dec 2017 8:16AM
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The clubs sailing instructions should have the minimum number of starters listed. Usually it's two starters. If one boat retires after the start then the other boat finishes he has a win.

EC31
NSW, 490 posts
6 Dec 2017 8:30AM
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We have recently had Catamarans join us for twilights, in their own division. Our SI's dont say minimum number of starters. Most weeks, only 1 turns up, so they get the prize.

Have been tempted to get a small Cat just to win a bottle of wine each week........

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
6 Dec 2017 8:34AM
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simmrr said..

It also may have been a little more sportsman like to have put off the race until other contestants could join? If not enjoy the champagne!




On the other hand, if two yachts can't be bothered to start then it would be unsportsmanlike of them to complain that one boat got its act together. If you start saying "we don't feel like sailing today so you are a bad sport if you do" then where does it stop? Should the sole starter not have gone out if the other crews didn't start because it was raining and they were wimpy? What about if the other crews don't go out because they have boats that are only good in light winds and the sole starter has been getting beaten in the light winds and hoping for a good blow to Even things up? What about the fact that the crew of the lone starter may have missed a day's work/social occasion/nice cruise/gone out on a cold day etc earlier in the series and now the other crews may be skipping the event for a similar reason?

If the fact that someone wants to go to Aunt Ethel's wedding on a race day means that no one else should start then no series will ever be completed.

As Ramona says, the SIs should state the number of starters required to make a race. The ancient rule was that one starter made a race valid but that it could be over-ridden by the SIs. I can't find any such provision in the current rules either.

Madmouse
429 posts
6 Dec 2017 5:43AM
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Ours is in the Notice of Race. It says that 3 starters must be signed on for a race to start.
They dont need to make it to the start..just sign on.

EC31
NSW, 490 posts
6 Dec 2017 8:50AM
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As a single starter, you dont even have to sail the course, just start. Most SI's scoring (topyacht default anyway) has DNF number of finishers +1, so you still get 1st. Might miss out on the wine though.

Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
6 Dec 2017 5:41PM
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Hi all

Thanks for the feedback

In this case the complete course was sailed and we made a radio call to the starter prior to starting to check if the race was valid with one starter and to see if she was happy to sit in the box for a couple of hours while we sailed the course

She sail she was and we had the skipper and a crew member on board who had travelled down from Hobart to race and another local sailor who hadn't sailed for a few years filling in for us so it seemed a shame to motor out and back in without having a sail

Regards Don

Agent nods
622 posts
6 Dec 2017 5:46PM
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you could have cut a few corners?

Trek
NSW, 1195 posts
6 Dec 2017 8:59PM
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A mate was entered in an Australia Day race years back, noone else showed up, he did the circuit and got the medal

morningsun
179 posts
7 Dec 2017 10:36AM
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Hi Donk, you will find the relevant rule all the way down in the Scoring section, of R.R.S. rule 90.3a if anyone at your club is giving you grief.
90.3 Scoring
(a) The race committee shall score a race or series as provided in Appendix A using the Low Point System, unless the notice of race or sailing instructions specify some other system. A race shall be scored if it is not abandoned and if one boat sails the course in compliance with rule 28 and finishes within the time limit, if any, even if she retires after finishing or is disqualified.

stupid
QLD, 211 posts
8 Dec 2017 5:47AM
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I don't know about competitions , however I find if two boats are sailing in the same general direction ,even if you didn't want one , you've got yourself a race!



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