Hi,
after much arm twisting, the minister of finance has approved a Hobie (or similar). Budget is ideally $3k maybe $4k if it's better value (I.e. great condition, comes with all inclusions). Definitely want a trailer and maybe a beach trailer.
looking for something my son (7) and I can sail and have heard the Hobie 16 can be a bit of a handful. I've seen this but it's currently out of price range www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/karrinyup/sail-boats/hobie-16-catamaran-great-fun/1241507473
We'll be sailing it mainly on the Swan River.
I've done a lot of sailing yachts and lasers about 15 years ago but have very fond memories of the Hobies! Never owned one before though.
so, questions are, 1) has anyone seen anything in WA?2) any tips on what to avoid?
3) what should I be looking for?
not in a rush but ideally before end of July.
many thanks
Have a look at Windrush 14. WA design for single or 2 up, ideally adult and youth. Trapeze available but not compulsory. Fantastic fun and don't nosedive (easily). Mast is foam filled and helps not turtling. Parts still available and the newer fat heads are still competitive/ing. Can rig singlehanded (PM if you do get one). Make sure you get the kickup rudder version and preferably foam hulls.
Try Catsailer.net forum is a goldmine of info but not terribly active. I got mine for a song and have since regrettably sold it. Too many toys not enough time. Good luck
I think a Hobie would be too much boat for one adult and a 7 yr old. Agree with slammin that Windrush would be spot on. Enough thrills. Def. kick up rudder. I tore one off on a rock (the only rock?!) along Point Walter spit on a glorious eyelid peeling reach. Messy.
Eventually got tired of getting wet and bought a GP14 got tired of launching that and bought a 24 footer that lives on the water...
Might be a lousy time to buy. The market seems pretty quiet.
+1 for a Windrush 14. We had one when I was a kid and it easily catered for an adult and a little kid. Worthwhile getting one with a jib, rather than just a main, makes them easier to tack.
This one looks ok.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/kwinana-town-centre/sail-boats/windrush14-racing-standard-with-licensed-trailer/1243674831
Hobie 16 is definitely a lot more of a handful.
Ilenart
Hey I know someone that has my old Nacra 5.1 cat in Mandurah. I think he is selling it. It's not set up as a normal Nacra with a 900mm reef in the near new main and a super simple set up. Only hassle is getting the mast up though. PM if you're interested
Loved my Windrush 14. Solo one up with trap or two up without. Ideal for what you want. Awesome in surf too.
Has your son ever sailed before MikeyG is the big question? It really depends on your childs personality and abilities on water. Strange things happen to kids...those you think would do well can be terrified and others are amazed...
Depends on your circumstances as well...what happens if your son is uninterested? Then you are left with the boat.
If you want to test the waters with your son and cats before buying, renting one of the Windrush 14s at Coode st, South Perth is perfect. They have jibs so you can really power up and on a good day get a hull flying if needed.
I know you have asked secifically about the H16 however the W14 mentioned is probably a safer option and fast enough to be fun...especially If he doesnt like sailing and you end up with the boat alone. Your son may be able to help a bit with sailing due to less tension on the boat which takes some pressure off yourself to sail.
The H16 is good fun...no doubt about it...however I would be planning on doing it all yourself. Rigging and sailing. Its a handful solo and you should have a reasonable amount of fitness to do so. Also with rigging it. About 2hrs to set up until you learn it well. I sail and rig solo and its doable for sure but over 20kts sailing it can be hard work and rigging is something you need to enjoy. Would not go out with kids over 20kts solo. I always sail safely with kids on board and would hate to flip in any conditions with a 7yr old onboard a H16. Seriously....
The H16 needs careful attention when powered up but is amazing when going full steam. Again personally would not take 7yr old out at full power due to risk of flipping. Consider the time to set one up if trailering always. The time it takes could also put your son off.
Never put a W14 rig up but looking at them I could see a 7 yr old being perhaps able to help out. Surely would be an easier quicker job too.
The Nacra is something to ponder as well. Never sailed one however I do like how they have no boom to worry about cracking your head on.
Whatever the choice remember to go at his pace as opposed to yours if you wish to sail with him for any length.
If you still want a H16 after reading this then happy to point out a few tips on what to look for when buying.
I have had a Hobie 16 when my kids were about that age,fun cat but too hard to rig by myself and one little helper. it eventually put the kids off. Maybe try a smaller cat that you can rig by yourself.
Also had an old Maricat 14' with jib and main I could rig by myself even stepping the mast, they have kick up rudders. It was good with 2 up.
Buy a Windrush. Far more suitable for a father son combo. Much more user friendly than a Hobie 16. Hobie 16's are big and scary for even a pair of adults and have lots of bad habits, the worst being they are difficult to right. If your set on a 16 footer then look at Prindle 16s. These are far superior to Hobie 16s and don't suffer the sinking rear of the hulls when tacking that the Hobie does. Might want to consider a righting lever between the hulls to help right either of the 16s, father and son might not have enough weight.
Spend some time at a catamaran sailing club and check the numbers of cats in each class and get some sort of vibe on what suits.
Bang on. Windrush 12 are so easy to set up and easy to flip back over. Used to take my 7 yr old daughter out on mine and was perfect.
Not making any personal recommendations around which boat to get but nothing too out there, I've sailed Hobies and Prindles plus a custom cat my Dad and I(pretty much "watching") built(missed out on a trial sail on the "Surfcat" 12(Windrush?) at Balmoral so my Dad did lots of looking and a couple weeks after Chrissy we had one in ply with 9 coats of varnish on coachwood ply to sail around Port Hacking. My next door neighbour when I was a kid had a progression of - Arrow- mozzie- Finn- NS & a few more, Bloke over the road was a Shipwright and built a few of them & used to restore clinker & carvel launches/ boats, Dad build a yacht in the yard & a few others, Hartley 16, Tasman Tiger, Vee Jays... the 70s was big on sailing, I'm a Shipwright & coming up on 40 years now & still love all of it.
Best thing is to make it about the whole off the beach fun lifestyle including kicking back under the sail with the boat laid over on the beach, do sandcastles, do picnic, do Mum along too, let the young ones take the helm early, sailing is an awesome way to build confidence and self reliance, be big on positive reinforcement but all within limits. Kids can and will get scared, get them to help with maintenance, kids love more than anything real time with their parents. Be ready to compromise and not go out... collect shells, make seaweed pictures, look in rockpools, go fishing, put them back, draw love hearts in the sand with all the family & don't care about sand in the car or rust in the roof. Canoes can be great too & calm waters are a great intro.
All the best from Jeff
What a great set of responses - I'm used to the kitesurf forum where generally it's just abuse and some argument about flat earth. Many thanks!
anyway - it looks like the Windrush might be the better option, but I shall go take the ones at code street out a few times with the boy and head to Nedlands.
He's been kite surfing with me a few times and loves it, but really keen to teach him some more about the weather and proper sailing to increase his understanding of the water and wind. he's been sailing a couple of times too.
I got myself an Hobie t2 just now. Quick set up. Sails easy.No boom to watch. And not heavy to move around on the beach.![]()