Supposedly in NSW one must have one of these for insurance purposes and AYF safety, not sure about other states. It appears that upon purchase of any vessel with any gas appliances there should be a compliance certificate, this has apparently been the law since 1986. So having had some dozen or so boats since then all with gas stoves, not one of them had a certificate. Having just gone through this exercise, unless everything complies to Aus standards it has to be replaced, my stove, a 3 burner with oven and grill had to be replaced ($2.5k) plus every thing else. At the end of the day I now have peace of mind that everything has been replaced and complies. I'm interested to know how many even knew about this "law".
When l bought my yacht in Qld it came with a certificate. Since, l re-registered it in Nsw
and insured it with two different companies since, none of them ventured to ask any question about it, at all.
It must be one of the "sleeper laws", which are not mentioned until one's (usually the insurer's) interest requires so 
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A common person would not be able to enlighten himself in this field without any serious digging.
Like Morning Bird, it was part of the reason we changed from LPG to metho on the latest boat.
Hi Moocher,
Yes, I knew about it from registering a new boat in Qld. It was required to have the gas compliance certificate, which in my case was French, for registration. It was interesting:
I showed the French cert and got rego approved.
I showed the French cert and got full comp insurance approved.
I rang a gas guy to fit an Aus fitting for the gas bottle interface. He advised me he can't work on it as it is not Aus compliant and all piping and stove, bottle and isolation switch interfaces need replacing. Add an Aus certification to this and its a $5K exercise.
Ouch.
Especially sucks when the existing French installed system is all brand new.
I have one somewhere in my paperwork. There is a tick in the Cat 1 compliance certificate dated 2003. In other words totally meaningless. All sorts of damage could have occurred since then. I have never been asked what stove is fitted by insurance companies.
When I bought my boat in 2011, the gas bottle was rusted through, but the original Roden stove/oven and gas hot water were in good nick. I removed the hot water and all the old piping to the stove.
I got a marine gas guy to come out an install the new piping and connectors. He did but informed me that the stove was not compliant as it only had a cutout on the oven, not the stove top burners. So I had to go out and buy a compliant stove, then pay for him to come back again to sign off with the certificate. I have sent a copy to my insurers.
I have looked a few boats recently for a mate, and the all the 70's/80's boats still had original stoves, none of which are compliant. Probably not a problem till it goes boom and you try to claim on the insurance.
Recently installed a 12v oven. Works well, but the door handle is very flimsy and will require some surgery.
Is a gas certificate required for a set up where no piped LPG is used ?
For example: I just use a small ($20) camp stove with a butane cylinder. When the stove is not in use the butane cylinder is always removed and placed in the external gas compartment.
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Is a gas certificate required for a set up where no piped LPG is used ?
For example: I just use a small ($20) camp stove with a butane cylinder. When the stove is not in use the butane cylinder is always removed and placed in the external gas compartment.Select to expand quote
I believe not. They are great little stoves and were supposed to have been banned from sale after an accident where gas escaped where that flimsy lever did not lock down correctly. Not sure what happened but they remain on sale everywhere. I think they are safe to use as long as you release the canister straight after use.
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I believe not. They are great little stoves and were supposed to have been banned from sale after an accident where gas escaped where that flimsy lever did not lock down correctly. Not sure what happened but they remain on sale everywhere. I think they are safe to use as long as you release the canister straight after use.
The stoves were banned and were all removed from sale, but then by some administrative trick with a magic pen there were all deemed to be safe and were allowed to put back in stock and for sale.
When I bought my Yacht it had a gas cert (all in QLD). When I SOLD the same yacht 5 years later the gas guy wouldn't certify it because he said it didn't have ally bottles and the ones I had could rust. How he came to this conclusion about cylinders totally covered in paint I couldn't work out so I scratched some paint off with my pocket knife while he watched. I said, "Surely that's not steel?" He said, "No that's the right stuff" and wrote it out for me on the spot. Not all tradies are created equal :)
I went through the process a couple of years ago with a new build - we'll, more like finishing off an old built. T'was a bit of a pain, but not too bad. I'm glad I did because it forced me to establish a solid safe system. Having said that, there's flaws in the rules.
My gas bottle is stored in a locker on the deck, but it has to be ventilated - no probs, drilled a few holes, but the holes can't be within a meter of any port and they were. The port was below and around a corner and there were semi blockages along the way and little to no chance gas could find its way there let alone go anywhere inside because it's a port I rarely open. But I had to bolt it closed to get the cert! Also had to thread about 6 meters of coated copper pipe through multiple bulkheads, lockers, plumbing, exhaust piping and other obstacles while avoiding heat sources and friction points and staying as straight as possible.
Doing this and bending the pipe as I went was a very tricky process. I had to because there was a living space - bed - in between and you can't have pipe joins in these areas. And for some reason I can't remember, maybe the same reason, I could not have flexible pipe.
Also installed a gas alarm, but can't remember If that was in the rules or an added safety measure. That was tricky too, because I have multiple bilges all separated, so gas will not flow to a single lowest point in the boat where you'd normally place the sensor.
So I had to guess the most likely source of a leak and place it near there - under the stove. So, you see, I was then glad the 6m was solid copper and not joints, otherwise I'd have to put more sensors in.
My gas dude kept saying, "no can't be done, too hard" so I had to keep finding the solutions for him. Now that was frustrating. The rules are online somewhere and aren't difficult to understand.
Now the silly bit: behind the stove that merrily swings on its gimbals as the boat rocks along are several pipe joins, bits of flexible gas hose and a stop cock. Apparently all within the rules.
So, I added timber blocks to protect all the piping at what is its most vulnerable point.
If nothing else, the whole process made me aware and vigilant in how I use gas and that's a good thing.
It can only be flexible hose if there is only 1 outlet and no joins (except the fore mentioned shutoff cock behind the wildly swinging stove). If you hook up your rail BBQ, it will need to be copper pipe. In NSW anyway.
