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AIS information sources

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Created by mercmobily > 9 months ago, 2 May 2018
mercmobily
WA, 2 posts
2 May 2018 9:24AM
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Hi people,

I apologise if this is not the right forum for this. This is the closest I can find on the Internet!
I am trying to figure out how the world of AIS tracking actually works.
This is my current understanding -- did I get anything very wrong? Or maybe very right?
To get positioning info, there are several sources:

* LLOYDS. They are pricey; they have an extensive network of AIS receivers, and have very accurate positions. They are meant to be the most accurate

* AISHUB. They seem to be the "open source" equivalent of AIS data: to get the data, you must join the network and share your feed. This way, the network grows and everybody wins.

* Marinetraffic.com. It seems to be the same as AISHUB, but run by a company with their own network of receivers. (Is this correct...? Or do they piggyback from AISHUB...?)

* Vesselfinder.com. They admit they use AISHUB (www.vesselfinder.com/faq)

I assume a LOT Of other sites are the same as vesselfinder.com -- they all use AISHUB (I assume they put up a station, and get access to the feed!)

Is this a semi-comprehensive view of how where AIS data comes from? Are there more sources?

Merc.

Trek
NSW, 1194 posts
4 May 2018 6:34AM
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Hi Merc, I designed an AIS system about 5 years ago. Let me know more detail on what what info you want I can probably go back and find it, Or do you want to know how marinetraffic.com works? The positioning data comes from a GPS on the boats themselves if thats what you mean.

2bish
TAS, 823 posts
4 May 2018 8:56AM
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Hey Trek, so as I understand the system, it's taking a vessels position, course, speed etc using gps onboard, but it's relaying that data (along with static info like the vessel name, size, etc) entirely via VHF, either to any vessel within VHF range and any shore based VHF stations within VHF range. No other satellite communication is used beyond the onboard gps positioning going on, that is to say the AIS data from individual vessels isn't uploaded to a sattelite. It's the shore based VHF stations that relay the data to various organizations web servers for display on the likes of Marine Traffice etc. Is that correct? Or do the class A transponders on commercial vessels upload directly to satellite as well?

2bish
TAS, 823 posts
4 May 2018 8:56AM
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Hey Trek, so as I understand the system, it's taking a vessels position, course, speed etc using gps onboard, but it's relaying that data (along with static info like the vessel name, size, etc) entirely via VHF, either to any vessel within VHF range and any shore based VHF stations within VHF range. No other satellite communication is used beyond the onboard gps positioning going on, that is to say the AIS data from individual vessels isn't uploaded to a sattelite. It's the shore based VHF stations that relay the data to various organizations web servers for display on the likes of Marine Traffice etc. Is that correct? Or do the class A transponders on commercial vessels upload directly to satellite as well?

EC31
NSW, 490 posts
4 May 2018 1:03PM
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There are satellite receivers, but mostly it is shore and vessel based.
For a detailed explanation see here.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_identification_system

Trek
NSW, 1194 posts
4 May 2018 3:55PM
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2bish said..
Hey Trek, so as I understand the system, it's taking a vessels position, course, speed etc using gps onboard, but it's relaying that data (along with static info like the vessel name, size, etc) entirely via VHF, either to any vessel within VHF range and any shore based VHF stations within VHF range. No other satellite communication is used beyond the onboard gps positioning going on, that is to say the AIS data from individual vessels isn't uploaded to a sattelite. It's the shore based VHF stations that relay the data to various organizations web servers for display on the likes of Marine Traffice etc. Is that correct? Or do the class A transponders on commercial vessels upload directly to satellite as well?



The VHF signals from vessels at sea were originally only picked up by other ships at sea and then when keen people got onto it shore based AIS receivers were devised and connected to the net to send the data back to HQ so nice maps could be displayed on PCs. But the VHF signals can also easily be picked up by satellite and various organizations now are trying to find was to make a $$$ out of it. I think theyre finding it hard going because of the cost. I assume the ships in the middle of the oceans on marine traffic.com are having their AIS transmissions being picked up by satellite otherwise we wouldn't see them.



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