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500 Denier Polyester?

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Created by mrsquish > 9 months ago, 21 Sep 2011
mrsquish
VIC, 80 posts
21 Sep 2011 9:14AM
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Hey Lads,

Speedline Textiles have some seconds 150cm 500D SOLUTION DYED POLYESTER FR PU COATED. It's seconds because the backing is comes off easily, but they're selling it at $2.00 a linear meter.

Two questions,
1. how do you reckon this would compare to Blue poly tarp as a sail material?
2. If it is suitable for a sail material, and I have to buy a large amount, is there anyone interested?

I'm not sure at this stage if I'm able to get any of this stuff. I've contacted them and they said they'd have a look if they had any small rolls.

Here's the link : http://www.speedlinetextiles.com.au/Specials.htm


Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
21 Sep 2011 9:17AM
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I can't comment on the specific fabric you mentioned, but I will comment on Blue or Green tarp material... Made some sails years ago from that fabric, strong enough BUT the sun softened the outer layer which bubbled and then delaminated also there was a blue dust that filled the sewing machine.
Mind you Blue tarp is often used as sails for fishing boats in SE Asia.
Land Yacht sails are actually very small compared to water yacht sails and for the very small cost even getting "proper" sailcloth wouldn't be that high.
Tyvek has been used to make sails, I have a roll which I want to try on some radical design sails.

Recycled sails are still the cheapest way to go for now.

mrsquish
VIC, 80 posts
21 Sep 2011 10:04AM
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Recycled sails are still the cheapest way to go for now.


Agreed, but given my mast doesn't flex, I just don't think that I'm going to be able to cut a windsurf sail down to make it flat enough given they're designed to flatten out when the mast flexes.

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
21 Sep 2011 9:42AM
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mrsquish said...
but given my mast doesn't flex,


what are you using... even scaffold tube flexes

mrsquish
VIC, 80 posts
21 Sep 2011 12:45PM
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Tyvek has been used to make sails, I have a roll which I want to try on some radical design sails.


Yeah, I saw that. But I was a bit put off by people saying that it stretches.

mrsquish
VIC, 80 posts
21 Sep 2011 12:48PM
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Gizmo said...

mrsquish said...
but given my mast doesn't flex,


what are you using... even scaffold tube flexes



Standard Aluminium tube, in 3 sizes, tapering down to 1 size over the length of the mast. And when I say it doesn't flex, well your right, it does, but no where near what a windsurf mast would.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
21 Sep 2011 2:39PM
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What are you looking for Squish man??? I believe lots of people use masts like that. Paul has designed them as well. Soft ones flex heavily. Look at Sunday Drive. That is a 100% CF Gastra Mast off a Speed Surfer. It is very good for starters as it winds up like a Spring and releases the energy back to the wheels at a more manageable power but it makes it harder to accelerate really quickly and takes longer to get up to top speed. Like I said earlier you have to work out you want and looking at other Alloy masts I would think you'd get the curve you need as it is spread over the length of the mast . If Blue Tarps take it and they are crap material then you should be able to get away with it.
Ron

mrsquish
VIC, 80 posts
21 Sep 2011 2:57PM
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Sigh, I don't know.

I just know that with the old sail I had, which was a cut down windsurf sail it was a struggle to keep it on three wheels and I think a large part of that was the sail. I just thought I'd have better luck making one myself as I'm pretty handy with a sewing machine, and given the sails are almost flat it can't be that hard.

Maybe I should get it going first. Then make up my mind, just at the moment I've got lots of thinken time, not much doin time.

squishy.



sn
WA, 2775 posts
21 Sep 2011 2:42PM
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Gizmo said...Recycled sails are still the cheapest way to go for now.


They might be cheaper- but supply tends to be horribly patchy,
I have been hitting my local recycling depot a couple of times a week over the last 5 months and turned up almost nothing, and advertised on seabreeze for stuff for the Mercy college students (with some success for the school)
The worrying part is that Mercy college are now talking about continually making landyachts as part of thier regular curriculum in Design and Technology classes.

If someone can develop a couple of standard sails to suit minis at a reasonable price it would make life a bit easier.

I have Pauls Kalgoorlie crew, Chooks mob in Esperance, a class full of students at Mercy college, possibly another school not far from here, and my son and myself all chasing a regular supply of sails and masts!

I have come to think the following:
a- windsurfers are not busting enough stuff
b- windsurfers are not buying enough new stuff to replace broken or out of date
stuff.
c- windsurfers are not getting rid of old stuff (where I can find it)
d- there are not enough windsurfers around,
e- someone is beating me to what finally makes it to Balcatta recycling depot

I reckon Nebbs needs to get his mates out there on thier boards a bit more often so they can break - or wear out more stuff!

stephen.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
21 Sep 2011 5:45PM
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Yer Right sn.
All of the above[}:)]
Ron

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
21 Sep 2011 8:22PM
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mrsquish said...

Hey Lads,

Speedline Textiles have some seconds 150cm 500D SOLUTION DYED POLYESTER FR PU COATED. It's seconds because the backing is comes off easily, but they're selling it at $2.00 a linear meter.

Two questions,
1. how do you reckon this would compare to Blue poly tarp as a sail material?
2. If it is suitable for a sail material, and I have to buy a large amount, is there anyone interested?

I'm not sure at this stage if I'm able to get any of this stuff. I've contacted them and they said they'd have a look if they had any small rolls.

Here's the link : http://www.speedlinetextiles.com.au/Specials.htm




if the backing is alraedy coming off , thats a bad sign. save your money.
try having a look in the seabreeze buy and sells, do a search for windsurfre sails 1to $100 ,. your looking around the 4-5m mark , specify your state in the search and you might just find a good cheapy just down the street.. often these guys have some really old stuff too and you end up cleaning out their shed .

jungoflats
1 posts
16 Oct 2011 12:52PM
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My 12 meter windsurfing sail is showing wear after 6000 miles of dirt and ice. It is now about 30% patch. 500 and 1000 denier Cordura of various colors, some coated (easier to clean), some not. I get it for about $7/yard on ebay. I sandwich the torn Mylar between two layers of the fabric using lots of contact cement. No question about toughness. I've yet had to patch a patch, but it's a good idea not to match the outside layers too closely. This can result in new tear at the edge of the patch. I've seen one layer used but it's pretty ugly on the Mylar side.

desertyank
1264 posts
16 Oct 2011 5:29PM
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jungoflats said...

My 12 meter windsurfing sail is showing wear after 6000 miles of dirt and ice. It is now about 30% patch. 500 and 1000 denier Cordura of various colors, some coated (easier to clean), some not. I get it for about $7/yard on ebay. I sandwich the torn Mylar between two layers of the fabric using lots of contact cement. No question about toughness. I've yet had to patch a patch, but it's a good idea not to match the outside layers too closely. This can result in new tear at the edge of the patch. I've seen one layer used but it's pretty ugly on the Mylar side.


Welcome to the forum jungo Thanks for the info too. If you have pictures of your rigs, please start a new thread; we'd love to see them



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