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Created by beachball57 > 9 months ago, 31 May 2015
beachball57
SA, 540 posts
31 May 2015 9:57PM
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Ok this may have been raised before, but apart from the official speed record set by green bird, is there any speed record attempts recorded anywhere, something similar to speed week at bonniville. I know were are all into racing and social sailing but what about speed runs ? Maybe have class records for the different classes eg 1,2,3,4,5,5.6 etc.
I have been thinking about this for sometime and was just wondering if it has already been done somewhere.

Hiko
1229 posts
1 Jun 2015 12:58AM
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There probably won't be too many officially recorded speeds around but some unofficial GPS ones of the various classes would be interesting.
I have seen the run and the readout on a beach here of a class5 of 107kph a few years ago

beachball57
SA, 540 posts
1 Jun 2015 7:06AM
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Might be something to thing about for kingston 2016......

BenBoulder
WA, 261 posts
1 Jun 2015 6:29AM
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Did 108kph (GPS) on Blokart 1.8m sail @ Lake Lefroy, September 2014.

Hiko
1229 posts
1 Jun 2015 2:10PM
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You are supposed to turn the GPS off when you drive home !

Arjay
VIC, 267 posts
1 Jun 2015 5:23PM
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haha turn off the GPS.

As far as I know there are six people who have gone >=100kph in a Blokart with Standard Blokart Gear.

Hiko
1229 posts
1 Jun 2015 4:54PM
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Great stuff ! I was only kidding. What surface were those performances done on ?
Like beachballs I am keen to hear from others with different types of yachts and speeds attained

Arjay
VIC, 267 posts
1 Jun 2015 8:16PM
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108 kph. Ivanpah. USA
106 kph. Yeppoon Beach. AUS
103.6kph Red Lake. USA
101kph Red Lake USA
100.5kph Red Lake USA
100kph France. Beach

sn
WA, 2775 posts
1 Jun 2015 6:39PM
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I'm pretty sure that one of Pauls daughters set a record in a Lefroy Mini at lake Lefroy

stephen

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
1 Jun 2015 8:12PM
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I did a 110kph on Lake Lefroy salt lake about 5 year ago in my first Lake Lefroy Mini! Each year in September we use our GPS's reset for each day to log our fastest times
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Events-Competitions/Lake-Lefroy-Marathon-and-Speed-Sep-29-1-Oct-2012/
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Events-Competitions/WA-state-champs-september-27-29/
Happens every year!

Hiko
1229 posts
4 Jun 2015 5:06AM
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So it appears that around 110 kph is the "brick wall" for mini size yachts.
I suspect that class 5 would be a bit higher than that ?
Anyone have any figures ?

Arjay
VIC, 267 posts
4 Jun 2015 5:50PM
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i think some drag reduction on minis would push them over the 110.

bryan
WA, 121 posts
4 Jun 2015 7:29PM
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I've replaced the 2 star knobs that hold the side braces to the mast base with nylock nuts. A little less drag, must help a little bit.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
4 Jun 2015 10:26PM
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first thing to considrr with a gps speed is the type of gps. common problem with a unit without a built in battery( eg garmin) is that a bump or shock can cause a off/on effect that causes skips in the track of the GPS . tp1's tarcks are a good example of that . in reality if he did those speeds it would have involved leaving his brain behind as he accelerated, then it overtaking him as he slowed.
the GPS units used by greenbird had built in batteries,and used a doppler system of measuring with areading every second, .I recall garmins giving a 5 second reading.
other ithings to consider is confirmability,ie having a second unit.
josephines 105.1 kph was not confirmable
I agree with absolutely fairing everything

Hiko
1229 posts
6 Jun 2015 8:05AM
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Interesting point made there regarding GPS maximum speed readings
I have noticed when travelling at a constant speed in very steady conditions on a cruising yacht that the speed readings are not steady presumably because the speed reading is derived from constantly updated positions over time
A 20 ton yacht speed would not vary as quickly as the GPS indicated
It follows then that a maximum GPS speed reading would be inaccurate for the same reason and would tend to read high ?

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
6 Jun 2015 10:05AM
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Guys keep a watch on these items in this forum. Some good quality data to help you out, even a program to load on a cheep mobile phone that is relatively accurate.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/

Alternative to the GT-31

GW52

GPS-Logit

First results with the Canmore GPS GP-102+

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
9 Jun 2015 8:33PM
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one of the problems landsailors have is that they want to do and see the speeds, but dont seem to want to bother with little things like the maths ,science and verification.
sadly that means that when they do crack worthy speed its unverifiable .
Bryan and bens 108kph on lefroy is a rare example of a situation where we were constantly checking readings and logging consistant improvement in front of witnesses. a better GPS and a second Gps on board was the thing that was lacking. personally i would like to see plots of the runs, just to dispel doubts, although given the conditions on the day I believe them

BenBoulder
WA, 261 posts
9 Jun 2015 9:39PM
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US772
332 posts
10 Jun 2015 4:05AM
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If you want to set a real speed record these guys can facilitate that. - www.gps-icesailing.com/default.aspx?mnu=item&item=website

This is another fun thing I may purchase someday - Sony AS100 camera. It has GPS built in and comes with software to overlay the GPS info



Bob Dill and speed - www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/General/Ice-Sailing/




mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
11 Jun 2015 3:57PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
US772. That was spectacular, I liked the skippers comments "that's plenty fast for me, I don't care how fast it was"



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