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WAKSA Question

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Created by kiterboy > 9 months ago, 6 Jan 2012
kiterboy
2614 posts
6 Jan 2012 10:47AM
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What sort of time commitment is required to be on the committee of WAKSA and are you excluded from participating in events due to having to work them?

Subculture
443 posts
6 Jan 2012 4:10PM
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kiterboy said...

What sort of time commitment is required to be on the committee of WAKSA and are you excluded from participating in events due to having to work them?



kiterboy said...

Baz said...

...Just to rub salt in, had four great days of kiting where none of the misbehavior mentioned has occured.


Exactly.
All the whining on this forum makes the (non)issues seem far worse than they really are.
And I'm sure that having the whining directed to you as the head of the association makes it seem like the (non)issues are far worse than they really are.

Reality check to all you whiners; if you were really concerned, you'd make a stand and take an active role in speaking to these seemingly rampant unbiquitous irresponsible kiters, instead of hiding on a forum and complaining your fearful little asses off about it.


sebol said...

Absolutely NO
Better have a fast boat to chase me


damn straight.


Andrash said...
The question is who is going to regulate kite boarding in Perth metro? The councils have the authority, the money, and officials who are eager to justify their salary by introducing new regulations. Obviously, local councils represent the majority, and they will act accordingly. After a regulation has been made we have no say. And their rules will be far worse, that what we initiate ourselves. Timing is crucial... if we don't do it now, the councils will do it sooner or later, and from there, there is no way back to the good old days.........



True words.
No one gives a f*ck about kiting except kiters; don't be so quick to give the power to the ignorant masses.

Time to grow up kiddies.



Attitude and understanding may be more important qualities than questioning time commitment.

There is a very real threat to access and you flame and ridicule others for taking their time to discuss it?? The president of WAKSA invited comment at the start of his thread! The 'potential' committee member then calls it a "non issue"?

Juddy has personally witnessed so much that he's started 2 threads this week!

BTW, I don't "hide on a forum" and I don't have a "fearful little ass". I take sh1t like that personally! Keep your insults for when you're not behind a keyboard.

Chances are I've spoken to more kiters doing the wrong thing than you have in the last few weeks.

kiterboy
2614 posts
6 Jan 2012 5:17PM
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Mate, I understand just fine; I know there is a real threat to access, but what I don't understand is why so many people are ready to bend over and give away their civil liberties- to hand over the power to authorities who couldn't care less about our sport, and if the opportunity is given to them, will use it as a cash cow for no real benefit to the people being regulated – the majority of who are doing the right thing.
Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water.

If you want to see my rant as a flame, which it wasn't, it was that view of regulation acceptance I was directing it at.

I did not ridicule anyone for wanting to discuss the issue, but slipping into unnecessary regulation is a very bad thing, this whole topic is very serious, yet so many are just blasé about it- if no one gets fired up about it, no one will think about it properly until it's too late.
My aim is to make people think, this issue needs to be kept at the forefront so more people are exposed to the issue, not to let it slip down the page and onto the next.
The debate and thought needs to be kept going until a solution is reached.

Obviously Juddy and others have witnessed a lot of goings on, I have a lot of respect for Juddy and agree the issue needs to be looked at very seriously, but I don't think any of us has the same level of back information relating to genuine complaints from the public and authorities as WAKSA does, so in a discussion like this, I, like everyone else reserve the right to question how big the issue really is.

The only issues I and many others are aware of, are what we see on the beach and the rants we read on here from people who saw the wrong thing being done, but didn't speak to the people doing the wrong thing at the time, rather they waited till they got home and made a thread.
My statement about that was that concentrating the 'reporting' of individual wrong doings on a forum has the effect of making the incidents seem greater in relation to the population of considerate kiters, than they really are.
That is why I question whether the size of the issue does really need to lead to regulation so soon.

And that is why this discussion was started – to get everyone's feedback.

And my view, as well as others, is that there have been other solutions or parts thereof that have been mentioned, that would work, if people get behind it and make it work- but the complacency I see is huge- that is the bigger problem, people realising there is a threat to their freedoms, but not being willing to get in and help remedy it.

Good for you, you've obviously been kiting way longer than me, and I'm sure you're not one to hide on a forum, but rather will speak to people on the beach for doing the wrong thing- naturally, being 873 ½ will give you that good experience.

Obviously I'm not the type of person who would be wanted on WAKSA, but I'm still willing to help where I can.

I don't care if people think I'm a d*ck for being passionate about this subject, but I am trying to participate constructively.

See my words as you will.

Subculture
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6 Jan 2012 7:38PM
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A good reply mate and well written. It contradicts the somewhat dismissive attitude you conveyed in your post in Juddy's thread. I read and note your passion for the good also.

I'll keep this short but will disagree with you on one thing. If you can write the post you just wrote. I will not agree with you when you say "Obviously I'm not the type of person who would be wanted on WAKSA". You took the time to reply constructively here and show you obviously do care that people do the right thing to stop problems arising. Why would WAKSA not benefit from that...

Elsewhere I wrote that I just wish more people would approach and educate people on the beaches, not come home and write a post about it. I'm getting tired of some smart ass staring blankly or getting wide with me when I talk to him. I go to the beach to kite, not to risk an assault charge.. If we all just did the right thing, (and many of us do) the problem would be vastly minimised. That is obviously the first and most easily implemented action. You have shown you share that view which is good.

Now, regarding your comment on my age. I try to keep things light hearted when I can, so why don't you move down from Christmas Island and help us out here? At 873 ½, I don't get around as well as I used to...

Juddy
WA, 1103 posts
11 Jan 2012 6:27PM
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kiterboy said...

What sort of time commitment is required to be on the committee of WAKSA and are you excluded from participating in events due to having to work them?


Kiterboy (and everyone else interested)....

how long is a piece of string, and there's your answer....

WAKSA meets about once a month but in the lead up to major events (like KS) probably twice a month or so. Regular meetings are a couple of hours, sometimes up to three hours but we try to run a tight ship.

Participation in an event isn't necessary restricted or limited, a number of the committee have gone in events such as the Redkite DW & the Wedge Island wave comp. I've got a personal view that 'someone' from the Association needs to be on hand in case it hits the fan, so I tend not to 'do' an event I'm organising or involved in.

The beauty of being involved on the committee is that the more you put in, the more you get out of it. We all have families, relationships, jobs, and other things going on in our lives - WAKSA is only a small part for most of the committee.

I'll admit in the role of President, I'm putting in 'several' more hours each week, especially during the season. That's a comment, not a whinge by the way - I put my hand up to take on the role.

Alot of my time outside of regular committee meetings gets taken up dealing with sh!t...local councils & their employees (rangers etc), surf clubs, meeting/liaising/dealing with Transport, DEC, as necessary, meeting with politicians, & meeting with retailers every now & again to get a feel for what's happening in the sport from the business perspective.

I've really enjoyed being involved & would strongly encourage all kiters getting involved on the WAKSA committee to anyone who wants to put something back into the sport; to maintain what we have (access etc) & to get to know what's happening around, in, & to our sport....

Kiterboy, the issue I initially posted about is out there...simmering away, underneath the surface. My recent posts have been to get WA kiters talking & kicking ideas around so that WA kiters can be pro-active, rather than waking up one day to find we've been done over...

PM me if you want to discuss further....

Juddy

bananaprawn
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24 Jan 2012 10:23AM
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Every other sport or hobby has a body or association which engages with DEC, local councils, people interested in the sport or hobby etc.

These bodies or association's canvas so to the above so that such hobbies and sports can continue and aren't banned by local councils or governments themselves and also promote public awarness etc.

There will always be people whinging and not wanting to do anything because its human nature.

There will also be people that contribute to WAKSA/AKSA by membership and others that won't because they're either tight fisted, don't think they need to, don't think its a requirement, may be confident in themselves and see no need to be represented etc etc again human nature for people not to contribute.

There are many people who cannot think laterally out there in regard to every aspect. No doubt I fit under this category.

The issue of beach access and the legality of kiting on WA beaches becomes more of an issue there is a close call with swimmers, a kiter gets dragged up the beach, kitemare km's offshore, some hob nob living in their mcmansion on the river eats their morning brekkie with a view disrupted by kites, etc etc.

Everyone be it someone who kites or not has the power to act upon their beliefs. If many members of the public dont want kites at their beach then they will win because we are the minority.

If you want to have the beaches remain open for kiting then understand that WAKSA is lobbying for your kiting interests, as well as others.

I know its a rant, the above is quite obvious to most if not all, there will always be people who contribute to anything and others who moan and whinge but do nothing in every aspect of life.



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