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anyone tried the Foil Fish Combo by Liquid force?

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Created by husa > 9 months ago, 9 Dec 2014
husa
VIC, 84 posts
9 Dec 2014 4:59PM
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liquidforcekites.com

Love to hear any feedback on this product

eabmoto
95 posts
10 Dec 2014 2:13AM
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I haven't tried a foil yet, but I spent all last summer kiteing where this foil was designed and tested, and I watched lots of kiters go out for the first time with it. All the talk was positive, easy and forgiving to learn on. Then you need to upgrade the wings once you figure it all out. For the price, I don't see how you could go wrong. It's a little heavier then carbon, of course.

Drury
NSW, 502 posts
10 Dec 2014 10:44AM
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I know that you're from Vic but if anyone in NSW is interested we are having an LF foil demo day at Kitepower on the 28th of December. From what we hear it is insanely easy to ride and a great jumping off point into this side of the sport. Bonus is you can still use the kite fish as a surf! Pretty good for under 2k....

Livit
WA, 542 posts
10 Dec 2014 1:31PM
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2k for that design? I'd rather go for the Sroka one, same price but the design looks way more refined.

bfg
89 posts
10 Dec 2014 6:25PM
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husa said..
liquidforcekites.com

Love to hear any feedback on this product


Call Steve at KSS. He had some foils the other day I think?

doycle
NSW, 89 posts
11 Dec 2014 12:05AM
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bfg said..

husa said..
liquidforcekites.com

Love to hear any feedback on this product



Call Steve at KSS. He had some foils the other day I think?


Disclosure: ASV Performance team rider and no affiliation with Liquid Force (or resellers). I have been foiling for almost a year and racing in the Gold Cup tour. I have tried Sword, Spotz, Levitaz, Alpine, Carafino, Lister and have built my own foils :)

Hey husa, I had a bit of a spin on it at Mambo. As an entry level foil it ticks all the boxes and for less than 2k with a board its a good deal! (especially considering you can sell your 17m kite ;) It's easy to get up on and ride around, just give it some time as foiling is something quite different so you wont be foiling around much on your first try. Experience with directionals helps tho. Also its built strong which is great so you don't have to worry about your friends breaking it when you turn up to the beach and everyone wants to give it a go.

The downside is that it is very heavy (made with aluminium) and the board doesn't have enough volume IMO so when I stacked I got a bit of a sinking feeling when the nose went under (no big drama tho). Its not the best design for a foil board but since you have the ability to use it as a surfboard its an alright compromise. Also if you really get into foiling you would be wanting to upgrade the wings to something a bit faster, but I heard they plan on bringing out more wings eventually which you can use with the same mast and fuselage which is nice. It is modular so it'll pack down small which is a bonus as well for travelling.

Lastly I would say it needs a stabiliser fin (especially for learning). Like a twin tip fin above the rear foil to give it better directional stability. I would Araldite one on if I owned one :)

I would also have a look at the MHL Lift foils (no affiliation) which are probably the best entry level carbon foil. I have only heard great things about their foils and boards. Being lighter they would be a bit easier to travel with (weight allowance wise) and with a specific foil board with more volume would probs be a bit nicer to ride.


Enjoy foiling!

husa
VIC, 84 posts
11 Dec 2014 10:58AM
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doycle said..

bfg said..


husa said..
liquidforcekites.com

Love to hear any feedback on this product




Call Steve at KSS. He had some foils the other day I think?



Disclosure: ASV Performance team rider and no affiliation with Liquid Force (or resellers). I have been foiling for almost a year and racing in the Gold Cup tour. I have tried Sword, Spotz, Levitaz, Alpine, Carafino, Lister and have built my own foils :)

Hey husa, I had a bit of a spin on it at Mambo. As an entry level foil it ticks all the boxes and for less than 2k with a board its a good deal! (especially considering you can sell your 17m kite ;) It's easy to get up on and ride around, just give it some time as foiling is something quite different so you wont be foiling around much on your first try. Experience with directionals helps tho. Also its built strong which is great so you don't have to worry about your friends breaking it when you turn up to the beach and everyone wants to give it a go.

The downside is that it is very heavy (made with aluminium) and the board doesn't have enough volume IMO so when I stacked I got a bit of a sinking feeling when the nose went under (no big drama tho). Its not the best design for a foil board but since you have the ability to use it as a surfboard its an alright compromise. Also if you really get into foiling you would be wanting to upgrade the wings to something a bit faster, but I heard they plan on bringing out more wings eventually which you can use with the same mast and fuselage which is nice. It is modular so it'll pack down small which is a bonus as well for travelling.

Lastly I would say it needs a stabiliser fin (especially for learning). Like a twin tip fin above the rear foil to give it better directional stability. I would Araldite one on if I owned one :)

I would also have a look at the MHL Lift foils (no affiliation) which are probably the best entry level carbon foil. I have only heard great things about their foils and boards. Being lighter they would be a bit easier to travel with (weight allowance wise) and with a specific foil board with more volume would probs be a bit nicer to ride.


Enjoy foiling!


Great feed back, cheers.. (everyone) I look forward to heaps of stacks, hopefully followed by a bit of gliding over the water. Looks fantastic, but very skillful.

polykarb
VIC, 284 posts
13 Dec 2014 12:24PM
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kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=196&t=2384727&start=90

The good news for those waiting is that they are now on the way.

chrwar
QLD, 272 posts
13 Dec 2014 9:02PM
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Hey guys, it was awesome watching user 'doycle' ride the foil fish at Mambo, he gave us great feedback which he has then written in his review. I have only tried riding this board a few short times and with doycle' basic instructions, I was able to ride on the foil some distance - one way at least!

One thing to remember here, is this setup is purely production; meaning they are made in bulk in a large board factory etc, there is no lead time once the production run starts and there will be plenty of stock and spare parts. Custom made foils are for sure lighter etc, but they are custom made meaning they can only produce small numbers and most are way more expensive. The fish board alone is quite a versatile board; surf it, kite it, jump it and foil with it etc. This combo is designed with entry level foil boarding in mind, it is designed to be more stable, plan early and be predictive. It is not however a race foil nor will it suit everybody, some will still want the custom models as they are more refined, lighter, faster, etc etc but the LF one is designed to be robust and take the knocks beginner foilers will put it through.

Our Australian shipment should arrive at the warehouse next week with follow-on delivery to our LF dealers shortly after. We have planned a few demo/coaching days with the demo boards we have, but the foil wings are still the prototypes and are not the finished product, they work just fine but are slightly heavier than the ones which are being shipped.

The next demo is in Sydney with Kitepower on the Sunday 28th Jan, check in with them for more details and have a look at the events section of Seabreeze!

If you have any further questions feel free to PM me (I am no way a Foil expert!!) or call the Australian LF importer ML Watersports direct on (07) 3889 9100

Cheers,

Chris Wardell

polykarb
VIC, 284 posts
16 Dec 2014 5:03PM
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Tech talk.

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
17 Dec 2014 10:59AM
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chrwar said..
Hey guys, it was awesome watching user 'doycle' ride the foil fish at Mambo, he gave us great feedback which he has then written in his review. I have only tried riding this board a few short times and with doycle' basic instructions, I was able to ride on the foil some distance - one way at least!
One thing to remember here, is this setup is purely production; meaning they are made in bulk in a large board factory etc, there is no lead time once the production run starts and there will be plenty of stock and spare parts. Custom made foils are for sure lighter etc, but they are custom made meaning they can only produce small numbers and most are way more expensive. The fish board alone is quite a versatile board; surf it, kite it, jump it and foil with it etc. This combo is designed with entry level foil boarding in mind, it is designed to be more stable, plan early and be predictive. It is not however a race foil nor will it suit everybody, some will still want the custom models as they are more refined, lighter, faster, etc etc but the LF one is designed to be robust and take the knocks beginner foilers will put it through.
Our Australian shipment should arrive at the warehouse next week with follow-on delivery to our LF dealers shortly after. We have planned a few demo/coaching days with the demo boards we have, but the foil wings are still the prototypes and are not the finished product, they work just fine but are slightly heavier than the ones which are being shipped.
The next demo is in Sydney with Kitepower on the Sunday 28th Jan, check in with them for more details and have a look at the events section of Seabreeze!
If you have any further questions feel free to PM me (I am no way a Foil expert!!) or call the Australian LF importer ML Watersports direct on (07) 3889 9100
Cheers,Chris Wardell



... can you get just the foil ie mast and foil without the board?

cheers,

Robbie :)

Drury
NSW, 502 posts
17 Dec 2014 3:12PM
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Yes Puetz

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
17 Dec 2014 3:42PM
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Yes Puetz



... thanks, is there a recommended retail price avaiable yet?

17 Dec 2014 5:33PM
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$1599 foil only.

Gorgo
VIC, 5097 posts
17 Dec 2014 9:17PM
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$1599 foil only.


How much for the full kit? Board, bags, foil, etc

polykarb
VIC, 284 posts
18 Dec 2014 12:19AM
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still waiting for foil to arrive, it's been "in the air" for a week.

jordangirdis
NSW, 178 posts
18 Dec 2014 11:03AM
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Hi All, I too gave this foil a go down at Mambo. Like Doycle I reguarly ride and race foils, and have experience with Lister, Carafino, Spotz, Sword, Zeeko and alpine.

The liquid force foil is a super easy to ride, fun foil for everyday. It starts foiling at really low speeds and has very good stability in all planes. I had a great time carving between toe and heel side on waves, which I find difficult to do with any other foil. The foils are massive, so you wont be breaking any speed records, but at any speed foiling feels fast, and its the same feeling of flying no matter how fast you go.

The construction is heavy but bulletproof. No worries if you hit sandbars the thing wont break.

I didn't try the board by itself but it is a heavy duty fish style board which felt nice underfoot.

A nice product from liquid force filling a gap in the market.


harlie
QLD, 188 posts
18 Dec 2014 3:33PM
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Livit said..
I came across this one a couple of weeks ago:http://www.srokashop.fr/E-shop-889-0-0-0.html



I reckon with the shipping it would cost $1300 for the foil only. But it looks that more R&D has been put onto that one as opposed to the Liquid Force....


Given that LF listed their first design requirement as a foil board that is easy to ride - you are always going to find a better one.

Personally I've not had a go at foiling, I am keen. I do know a lot about hydro dynamics and what you have linked to with very high aspect wings will be very fast and from what I read, very hard to ride.

I think LF will hit a market with this, from all reports it is heavy but also quite tough which for me is very important. It has huge wings which should (confirmed above) have it foiling at much slower speeds and will be far less sensitive to rider input, making it easier to learn on. The modular design also means that once the rider is confident, the wings can be replaced with fast more responsive wings - you could even travel with several sets to use as conditions dictate.

The idea looks a winner to me.

Gorgo
VIC, 5097 posts
18 Dec 2014 4:59PM
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The big win for Liquid Force will be if they can have stock in a local store and you can see it and touch it and ride it (or watch guys of a known skill level riding one).

At the current price of foils it is way too much money to take a punt on one to see if you like it. Up until recently the cheapest you could get was an MHL at US$2600 including shipping. That's way too close to $3000 to buy an unseen product. My take a punt price point is about $1500 and even that hurts when the product is a dud. The second hand foils are around $2500 and the guys selling are trying to recoup the $4000 they spent.

The other two issues Liquid Force have addressed for me is to:

1) provide a multi-function board that you can use (it costs $250 extra to add fin boxes in an MHL and you have to make all sorts of custom board decisions)

2) provide decent bags for the foil and a system that can be quickly disassembled. It is a pain to try and get a fully assembled foil in the car. Even raceboards are nuisance dealing with long razor sharp fins.

Drury
NSW, 502 posts
19 Dec 2014 12:04PM
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The foil just arrived in shop this morning! Looks awesome can't wait to have a go. Like Chwar said we are having a demo on the 28th of December.

I think Gorgo really hit it on the head. We all know (as does LF) that this is not the highest performance foil on the market. It is meant to be easy to ride, cheap, durable, and fun. It most certainly will be all of these things. Like I said, it's $1995 for everything you see and yes the Kite Fish can be used as a stand alone surfboard. Really good value and a great way to get into this awesome aspect of the sport.


Drury
NSW, 502 posts
19 Dec 2014 10:14PM
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Just got back from my first session on the LF Foilfish... What a rush! Honestly some of the best fun I have had kiting in years. For the first few tacks I felt like a complete newbie again. Beware that foiling is much harder than it looks! By the end of my 1.5 hr session I could ride both ways pretty quickly while staying on the foil for extended periods of time.

I'll tell you something... foiling literally feels like you're flying. It's a sensation I've never had before and I think I'm addicted. The one thing I did find funny was that going downwind is harder than going upwind so it's kind of the opposite of when you start kiting. Usually you end up way at the bottom of the beach but I was battling to get down to where I started from! So fun though, and honestly this foil was so user friendly. I really appreciated how big the board is to get up on the first time and the foil didn't feel out of control even when overpowered. Also, we rode it way into the shallows and banged it off of some fences while carrying it around and I was so glad it wasn't carbon. It isn't heavy either even though it's aluminium. An absolute winner in my books. I was so surprised at being overpowered in 12 knots. I was on the 15.5 Solo though so it shouldn't be that much of a shock haha. One problem I foresee is a lot of angry wives... You'll be on the water way more than you should be!

kitepilotoz
QLD, 181 posts
20 Dec 2014 8:57AM
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So the question that remains unanswered is...
How much for the full setup inc bag..?

20 Dec 2014 10:42AM
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kitepilotoz said..
So the question that remains unanswered is...
How much for the full setup inc bag..?


$1999 :)

polykarb
VIC, 284 posts
24 Dec 2014 4:41PM
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had my first go on the LF foilfish today..

the most scared ive been kiting for ages.

Ive also had a go on the Carafino from "theZu".
felt the LF was easier, and i could get going in both directions, upwind and down.

still at the scared as **** stage, with small flights and dolphin jumps.

daddycool
WA, 337 posts
26 Dec 2014 6:25PM
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polykarb said..
had my first go on the LF foilfish today..

the most scared ive been kiting for ages.

Ive also had a go on the Carafino from "theZu".
felt the LF was easier, and i could get going in both directions, upwind and down.

still at the scared as **** stage, with small flights and dolphin jumps.



Good to hear pk as I've just ordered one and am hoping to get proficient in time for the lighter autumn/winter winds over here. Would love to hear what tips you have for getting to grips with it and how to fall off safely etc if you have time. Maybe theres a place for a "foil newbie tips" thread?
I have been using a 19M and a Sector for light winds but am selling both for a LF FisfFoil as the guys that have mastered it are having so much fun with 12M kites in 9-11 knots !

polykarb
VIC, 284 posts
26 Dec 2014 9:38PM
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Here is a hot tip, don't set your foil up like the boys in NZ.



I'm not surprised he found it difficult with wings back to front.

daddycool
WA, 337 posts
27 Dec 2014 12:32AM
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And so starts the foil newbie thread.........

eabmoto
95 posts
27 Dec 2014 3:04AM
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Not much has been said about the LF fish board. It's a great board on its own. It's the only board I've ridden for the last 3 years. It's a bit heavier then most boards, but it's great in all conditions and it can take a beating. It's also easy to travel with. So this board, with the foil, really can do it all.

KPSS Used
NSW, 425 posts
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28 Dec 2014 12:49PM
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Just a reminder that we are having the foil clinic today in Sydney! Come check out the LF foil and have a ride. Meeting at Kitepower Sydney at 2pm!



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