Rider: 88Kg
Style: Freeriding,Wake, Freestyle
Weather:15-30 Knots
With all the progression kites in the last few years, would anyone be able to say there is a kite on the market that is very hard to “Hindenburg“ I appreciate
the factors such as wind strength and skill level that can easily make any kite drop out the sky!
Perhaps a comparison between C-Kites Vs Delta Vs Kites with Pullies VS kites with static bridles. I am in the market for a new Kite and want something that
is super stable, aggressive and has good boost.
Cheers.
You are asking for the perfect world. Stable tends to mean lower aspect and sitting back in the window. Aggressive Higher aspect and forward in the window It's all a compromise and you will have to choose priorities.
Most kites now will do the job the early Deltas were prone to overflying but this is mostly sorted.
Again very generally "C " will tend to be more stable and good boost but are short on wind range
Something like the new XPD Rise from Ocean Rodeo has vent to improve stability whilst retaining the aggression. Then you come to 4 or 5 line . May be you don't care as long as the kite suits.
As has been said many times try before you buy . The best kite for you is one you enjoy!
So really a kite that flies further infront will have less tendency to backstall or fly back over your head in turn will make it less likely to drop out the sky so C kite is the way to go?
I guess by going for a compact bridle i.e. no pulleys you are getting a more direct feel to the kite.
Hey Squirrel nads 
,you bet, was it the word Hindenburg that gave it away, ;)
They are a great kites and have awesome boost when you load them up but get your timing out or momentum wrong and they let you know about it more when you are in the lower wind ranges.
Anyway I am looking to move more to a C type style any recommendations ?
Back stalling is a product of too much angle of attack for a given wind speed. All kites will back stall, some are just more sensitive than others. The deeper the kite sits in the window the more stable it will tend to be. This is why good wave kites in general are to wards the low end of the aspect ratio and have a larger camber. The down side is they don't go up wind or boost as well.
Pulleys or no pulleys depends where they are.If the steering lines are direct to the trailing edge you get a more direct feel even if the front lines are on pulleys.
If there was a perfect kite all the R and D guys would be on the beach with nothing to do!!
As to "c" or SLE its like saying is Ford better than GM. Some are good some are bad the trick is to try loads and find 1 that suits you.
Yep I tried the bandit. Thankfully things moved on.
Hey addikt,
I had 2 dos's last year and still have my 12. Now I'm used to them it's a rare occurance but yes they certainly like to Hindenburg if your not onto them.
The dos has a very heavy leading edge and also can build speed quickly, when you stack ir mess up the kite can easily shoot right up your window and get to the point where it's way past you and it just takes a little tug on the front lines and it's falling.
Hey it a performance kite at the end of the day. I have learnt to feel the kite doing this and generally pull on the bar to send it into a loop if I can to try and stop it falling. This is not always possible of coarse.
Another cause of the dreaded Hindenburg is over sending it while jumping. If you fall vert and get dunked.... the lines go slack when you resurface and there she goes again.
I can fly my 12 in about 12 knots with my Nobile skim but it certainly keeps you on your toes. While up and riding there's no prob as the kites happy while moving and builds apparent lime no other kite I've ridden, but the walk downwind back to the beach across the sandflats in light winds can be a real challenge. I learnt to loop it and run with it, yes plenty of entertainment for the peanut gallery that's awaiting wind 
You'll learn to minimise this eventually by better flying technique.
I got myself a 2010 helix to replace my 10 and love it, but nothing I've demo'd feels like a Dos.
If you want a No-fuss kite that will hardly ever do anything wrong get a Switchy. But they come at a perfomance cost. The Ozones float back well too but I personally don't like the way they fly
hope this helps.....
Seems to be a trait of the delta style, whatever brand they may be, they dont like to be depowered (poorly trimmed), the technique is to keep some pressure on the bar, sheet in a bit.
Operator error, a bad tradesman blames his tools 
I was trying a mate's bandit 3 10 meter and completely stuffed a move and over sent and swung way under the kite.
I thought for sure it would hindenberg, flip inside out and blow a leading edge and end up a twisted mess, but instead it just drifted backward until it was overhead and then caught and stayed rock solid in the air.
I was fairly blown away by that as my rebel would have inverted and flown inside out and through it's lines if I had done the same thing.
Could have been luck, but I was impressed.
Nice kite...maybe a bit small for me at 82kg dry so looking to try the 11.
Yep the DOS was really the only one of the Bandit range that tended to do it, I think they tried to squeeze a bit too much performance out of it.
Once you are aware you can normally avoid it happening but just standing on the beach in light wind with the kite at 12 and sheeting out quickly/letting go of the bar is usually enough for it to happen.
I don't really think it is a trait of delta style kites there is plenty of delta style kites that don't do it, just as there are some more traditional bows and hybrids that do.
I was lucky enough to get a swing under a 10 & 13 B3 when they first came out. The B3 is a totally diff kite to a Dos that's for sure but I tried for about 5 mins straight to get the 13 to fall in about 15knts and it just floated back every time. I was even lunging at it and still no drama.
They just don't have that Dos grunt. Bandits Really are a love em or hate em kite.
not trying to pimp the kite i fly or anything - i'm sure they have their disadvantages, but one thing the switchblade is definatley 'good' at is forgiving you for any mistakes.... you can have a huge stack and be way downwind of the kite and it just flies by itself and drifts back while you sort yourself out. It surprises me everytime.
If a kite flies further forward in the window it is more likely to overfly and Hindenburg (aspect ratio AND foil shape affect this). However you also have to consider shape of kite. The more swept-back wingtip designs should drift back better rather than Hindenburg because the centre of mass is moved further back. If the centre of mass is behind the centre of lift the kite will "nose up", and drift back in a stable way when you let the lines go slack. If the centre of mass is forward of the centre of lift the kite will "nose down" and enter the spiral of death ...
C-kites are generally less swept back and so centre of mass is further forward (leading edge bladder is heaviest part of kite). Granted the modern C / 5 liners (eg Vapors, Torches, Fuels, HiFi, etc) are more forgiving than your "classic" C, but if you really let a lot of slack in none of them will drift back. Also worse if you give one side of the bar a tug before you let slack in.
Kites that fly further forward in window are less likely to back stall but it also comes down to trim. Too much tension on back lines = backstall. C-kites are usually set so even if you're really boned up at the bottom end they won't backstall.
I think any kite with a bridle that allows it to adapt to various angles of attack and change its center of lift etc is going to be an advantage ( ie positive of pulleys).
I really liked the stable Switchblade bridle setup, but I loved the power of the DOS. Was looking to mod a DOS, then I got my hands on a Core GT. This is pretty much what it has. Done and dusted, couldn't really be happier. Certainly tough to make it fall out the sky (other than safety releases, it hasn't so far tumbled).
As for pure C - kites that have similar attributes, maybe the RPM? Probably not really a pure C kite though I guess??
Core will be working hard to make a GT II better, basic little cosmetic difference only I recon (like you would find on the XR).
Overshooting kites is 90% the user and what you do with it. 10 years ago it was a different story and some kites would drop if you sneezed.
There is one kite that will never Hindemburg, even if you overfly it 10 feet. Can anyone gues which one?????
with the 9m dos it will never hindenburg if you keep those lines tight and pull on a bit of depower. you got to pay attention to it plus correct tuning for the wind.
the dos definitely likes to be worked hard 
OK sorry Saff.
Didn't see it in your text and your 1523 posts
If you come to the event @ Sandy Point on Labour day I will pay up.
Jas
