I have friends who love thier warrior, I ride the mystic shaddow, not as stiff and a smaller profile find it fits me better. in 6 "3 and find the shaddow sits well and gives enough support whe rotating and boosting along with just cruising the new mystic with memory foam looks like it would do the job
What's the diff between the mystic warrior and the len10 model does anyone know?
^^^ pretty sure it's just the colour same as the shadow and YZ Pro Shadow.
I have always loved the Warrior had warrior 1 and 3 .....last year picked up the Yoori Zoon Shadow and I must say I prefer it over the warrior it's considerably lighter and has an even smaller profile, yet still just as comfy.... An incident with welding sparks in the garage put it out of action and I am now using a Neil Pryde it's heavier and slightly larger in size and padding but extremely comfortable.
I had been using a flying objects seat harness so I thought for five years or so, loved it, was getting old and tired.
Drove up to Westoz yesterday and Jason pointed out that my old harness was a waist harness with a seat attachment. Silly me hey. So put on the new flying objects waist harness with seat attachment and presto. I had been using over the past month an actual flight control seat harness, a waist ion harness and an ion shorts thingy and they just didn't feel right. Cutting into my hips or the bottom of my ribs on the shorts.
So the waist harness with a seat attachment is perfect. The flying objects baby fits like a glove.
Hey I tried on one of those north spew coloured waist with leg, seat attachment harnesses saffer mentioned. That to felt really nice for the record.
been quite happy with the Mystic shadow, lighter than the warrior and less cumbersome... Loved my warrior 1 but it had to be retired...
Hey - I need to plug the Pat Love series of waist harnesses. I have used Naish ones - shocking, Cabrinah, ordinary, a Mystic Warrior 2 - solid nice harness but the Pat Love I have - called "cast" I think - is just beautiful. The warrior 2 is a little more solid and stiff - but that actually makes it less comfortable, especially for extended switch riding I find. I'm a little round in the middle and not the worlds greatest kiter - if I'm going to boost really big and way out on reef breaks, I'll probably use the warrior - but for the majority of blasting about and cruising, the Pat Love is just so much better. It's still solid and firm and works really well - switch riding and boosting and my regularly failed back rolls.
And what's the deal with that totally crappola latch on the warrior? Not sure what the 3 has but the 1 and 2 have got that stupid tounge that is supposed to be inserted into a closed tunnel where the levers that open it up are buried beneath that stupid rubber protector? Bad description I guess but with wet sand in it and cold wet fingers its just the least effective way to achieve the objective I think? Don't know what others think?
For surf style - I think the Dakine Renegade is up there. Also has a few pockets & key holder which can be handy for d-winders.
The new mystic majestic is out to take over from the warrior , they must be getting sick of adding numbers on the back of the same name harness every year . The point is has anyone tried it, a full review will be great .
steve
whats the difference if you dont mind , i didnt know the warrior was being continued , ie marior 3 V new 2013 majestic, am i correct ?,
cheers
any chnace of a real review of the flying objects combo, ie the waste harness with the seat combo attachment , anyone got one
had a mystic firestarter thought i try a flying objects combo man the best thing i ever done i was having back soreness and only going out for 40 min max now out for a good 2 hours and no soreness at all
the harness doesnt ride up at all and still quiet a bit of movment i was a bit worryed
cuming from my waist
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I believe the Warrior is too stiff in the mid back, the Flight Control supports the small of your back, whereas the Warrior flattens it out and that is no good for back pain, the Flight Control still offers a lot of support its certainly not soft. I ride both surfboards and twin tips and kite pretty much every day we have wind in Gero, with quite a few long sessions. 14th year kiting.
Ooh you sound like someone who I should listen to then, one your years on the water and two the winds up that way are fierce and you need good support. I will have to look into this one for sure.
What kite do you use man?
BEST TS2, there's nothing else worth using!!
I just bought 3 Best TS V2 ,a 7m ,a 9m and a 12m,looking forward to trying them out
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any chnace of a real review of the flying objects combo, ie the waste harness with the seat combo attachment , anyone got one
Yeh mate I can. Been using one now for mmmm probably at least 6 years. Onto a new one now after replacing the old one.
Funny story which may help to 'review' it.
My old one was getting tired after 6 years of use and unknown to me I thought I was using a straight out seat harness. Didn't know there was a third option. So I tried all sorts of harnesses borrowing them off crew on the water, the nitro shorts, ion shorts, straight seat harnesses, you name it....back pain also resulted, and through the hips.
And they felt too low, dug into my hips, were just downright uncomfortable. It went until I tried a flying object seat harness that I thought hang on what's going on here, this should feel the same right?
So I went up to Jason at Westoz and took my old harness. He gave me that usual look, the old 'Jesus eppo' look, and quietly explained what I had been using is a waist harness with a seat....
Tried it on...ahhh there it is!
Anyhow real deep in the back, with a small seat, the hook sits in between a waist and seat, Perfect for me.
That being said I still run a waist harness for a dedicated surf session when not going to leave the water much. Allows that swivel. I used to use a dyna on the waist/seat, but the weld broke and honestly I couldn't be fagged having another potential fail point with my gear, plus I'm not a true SB rider so I get by. Hence just the waist for surf and waist seat for freeride and also when just doing a big boost session. Spreads the load across your torso and upper legs.
I keep the seat quite loosish hence its more of a waist than a seat for me normally, unless its balls to the walls then she's strapped up tight to lock and load.
Replaced my chameleon waist harness for the new ion vertex harness, thought about the apex but wanted little more freedom of movement. Harness works great for my 86 pies slightly rounded belly lol, best of all I can now go 2hrs non stop without any more spine tingling lower back pain and as long as I do it up properly there's no digging in the rib cage issues
i was really hopeing for an answer :,(
guess ill wait for all the 2014 harnesses to come out.
Simple rule for harnesses from a mate who instructs in gerro.
Waist harness if your under 40.
Seat huggies type if your tubby and over 40.
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Yep I have an ion waist harness from Aks. It is comfy doesn't ride up but I unlike saffer have a decent chest. Lol. But it still gives lower back soreness due to my obsession with height.
My brother has the ion shorts from same place but they did into my ribs no good for me. Bit yeh nice and low pull. Hence why I have asked about the nitrous shorts and other options. The north transformer and the dyna bar ones with straps sound a good compromise. Also will check out the Flight control pump jump been around a while.
I have the Nitrous shorts and love them. Never had any stress points just outstanding support and hook sits low which I prefer
Surf style got to be Dakine Renagade or the new Ion Apex , just went to the Ion from (Ocean Addicts)and so far is brilliant.
I' been riding with dakine waist harnesses for over 4 years and find them fantastic. Have tried other alternatives in the process but none have fit my body type that well, and that's what it's about, the features and benefits do vary over manufacturers but it about the fit at the end if the day and availability. If you stuff a spreader bar in an odd town what's the most likely brand to be stocked that will easily fit?? I'm currently on the dakine renegade, Kim at gero S&S stocks dakine.
Forgot to mention I'm not hooked that often on a surfboard so don't feel the pains that other tubby guys may do!
Just discovered the most comfortable harness ever? = riding unhooked in the waves wow
Ion Vertex, very comfortable for wave use, no need for a sliding hook as it will slide easily with no chafe.
Lots of opinions and I'll throw my two cents in, after trying the three types: a seat (diaper style); the waist; and the boardshorts, I'm very happy with the Liquid Force Boardshorts harness (combined with a Dynabar Sliding Hook). As for myself, the boardshorts is the better compromise between the freedom of a waist harness and the secure stability of a seat. I believe the best testament for any piece of gear your wearing, is forgetting it's even there. This is my experience with the Liquid Force Boardshorts. There's no periodic adjusting as with a waist harness it's just set and forget it. The Dakine Nitrous is also nice, but I find the hook too low for my taste, although I'm sure I'd get used to it quickly enough. And the sliding hook (the Dynabar in this case) makes up for any maneuverability issues created by a fixed hook on a seat harnesses. It's the best of both worlds and every seat harness ought to have some sort of sliding hook; again an opinion based on personal preference.
Check out the ION Boardshorts as well. My buddy loves his. Like all articles of clothing, so to speak, one size doesn't always fit all. So what's comfortable for one, doesn't always feel good for others. It's best to try one on, or better still, demo a friends if you can. 
This all said, not everyone is going to like a one particular harness style verses another. For example, most hardcore wakestyle riders would not be at home with a sliding hook and probably never caught dead on seat style harness. It's a question of function and of course style. I on the other hand, find the seat style harness to be an advantage. Not only does it never ride up, but it offers me a lower center of gravity useful when riding strapless on a directional; especially in waves or riding swell. I'm less likely to get pulled off my board verses a waist harness. Being a smaller rider, it also gives me that little extra leverage on those occasions I'm riding overpowered. This advantage applies to riding both my surfboard or twin tip. Having a lower hook also helps by bringing the bar in closer and not having to reach so far to depower - I have t-rex length arms. The final advantage with this combination is that it can nearly eliminate any chance of crunching your ribs. The sliding hook and the way it pivots up and down goes a long way to help in this area.
I hear that a seat can create bad habits in your riding style, especially if you're a newbie - aka pooh stance. I learned to ride with a waist harness and it forces you to ride with proper posture. The seat shouldn't be a problem however if you're conscious of this.
Btw, jumping isn't a problem with the Dynabar either (with the optional Pro Wave Slider).
So it's a matter of style, personal preference, and even body type, so comfort can be relative.
Actually I'd say a wait harness and its higher pull would lead to the poo stance for a newbie more than seat harness. If it is pulling lower it pulls out the hips rather than the chest which is indeed the poo stance in motion.
Seat harness. I'm on my second Dakine Fusion. The 2014 model Is awesome. I would recommend it for anyone with back concerns or just want to be comfortably supported while riding. I hear it maybe restricting if you are into freestyle 360 type jumps ;)
