Bar 53cm eleveight.world/kite/bars/cs-auto-bar/
Line length 22m
Weight 80kg
Now Im the first person who once upon a time, thought the edges were a slow turning pig... 10m and above, its still true but that's ok for their intended use. From the V11 9m and smaller, they changed the kite to significantly turn faster - Jaime Overbake rocking the Big Air world podium on one - it was bound to happen.
Now the jump timing of the Edges is different and when I first rode one (a V11 8m) I had to spend a day in around 20 knots getting used to it. What stands out about the edge is how aerodynamic stable it is in strong winds and how easily it reacts to slight wind increase with lift.
The 8m is fast turning and excellent for loops from 5m high to Mega Loops. You do have to fly it with more input to get the max from it. For me It felt 90% there but just needed a little more float..
This is where the 9m V12 comes into it - hoping it would fill the gap. I'd read all the reviews and watched all the videos and what was said is that the V11 would overfly on some landings so not very good for down winders or wave riding unless you flew it with more input than normal.
V12 First session - a whole lot more grunt and has the missing float / hangtime of the 8m v11 But...
The kite sits back in the window like a normal kite, yes this means you can throw anything at it and it will just happily drift back into place... Great for the average joe plug and play kiter.
Personally, I liked how my 8m V11 would hunt the edge of the window and crank crazy upwind angles. This also translates to more vertical takeoff lift for big air. So thought about it for awhile and decided to try a bridal mod as I have some experience doing this.. If it didn't work, just put it back to standard and carry on..
The Mod:
I shortened the single bridal line closest to the centre of the kite by 2 inches.
Bingo - now you can see the kite surge forward and hunt the edge of the window.
Test session - 20 35 knots.
It jumps much better. Loops faster and Heli loops further behind you, giving you more lift as it swings around. to the front.
Im happy with that :)
How not to choke your edge to Death 
Ok this is a common problem that most riders do not realize their doing... thus giving it a a bad rep of being slow turning especially while looping the kite. Firstly you have to understand that the kite has to breathe in order to loop fast annnnd fly back up to 12 !
The video where Jaime said he likes the lowest knot on the bar for more power, is to suit HIS Pro skills - Not average joe kiter. This is why people are having back stall turn problems confusing it with power... Two different things and directions.
The ideal start point for medium to strong winds is to have it trimmed on land, so when you pull the bar full down - the kite will stop directly above you at 12. This will translate to a small amount of back stall when on the water. Unless its Nuking, I'll only jump when a gust hits the kite.
When you jump, at the peak, feather the bar so you can feel where the lift holds you neutral Without choking the kite.
Wherever that position is - will give you the fastest Fish pole full loop turn back to 12.
Once you understand where that point is (it can vary but still same feeling) - throw the loop just before the top of your jump...
and you'll suddenly realize how fast the Edge can Loop :)
Hey, thanks for the info! I recently moved from a 9m V11 to a V12 and would like to try your mod but I'm unsure which is the bridal line to shorten. Is it called AL2 in the rigging diagram?
.... this is awesome man, great info indeed. Totally makes sense too in what you found!
I've modified my kites for years, usually to suit a characteristic I liked and others might not have but totally made it for me and loved it.
Anyway,,, nice one man!! 
Select to expand quoteSaveTheWhales said..
Bar 53cm eleveight.world/kite/bars/cs-auto-bar/
Line length 22m
Weight 80kg
Now Im the first person who once upon a time, thought the edges were a slow turning pig... 10m and above, its still true but that's ok for their intended use. From the V11 9m and smaller, they changed the kite to significantly turn faster - Jaime Overbake rocking the Big Air world podium on one - it was bound to happen.
Now the jump timing of the Edges is different and when I first rode one (a V11 8m) I had to spend a day in around 20 knots getting used to it. What stands out about the edge is how aerodynamic stable it is in strong winds and how easily it reacts to slight wind increase with lift.
The 8m is fast turning and excellent for loops from 5m high to Mega Loops. You do have to fly it with more input to get the max from it. For me It felt 90% there but just needed a little more float..
This is where the 9m V12 comes into it - hoping it would fill the gap. I'd read all the reviews and watched all the videos and what was said is that the V11 would overfly on some landings so not very good for down winders or wave riding unless you flew it with more input than normal.
V12 First session - a whole lot more grunt and has the missing float / hangtime of the 8m v11 But...
The kite sits back in the window like a normal kite, yes this means you can throw anything at it and it will just happily drift back into place... Great for the average joe plug and play kiter.
Personally, I liked how my 8m V11 would hunt the edge of the window and crank crazy upwind angles. This also translates to more vertical takeoff lift for big air. So thought about it for awhile and decided to try a bridal mod as I have some experience doing this.. If it didn't work, just put it back to standard and carry on..
The Mod:
I shortened the single bridal line closest to the centre of the kite by 2 inches.
Bingo - now you can see the kite surge forward and hunt the edge of the window.
Test session - 20 35 knots.
It jumps much better. Loops faster and Heli loops further behind you, giving you more lift as it swings around. to the front.
Im happy with that :)
How not to choke your edge to Death
Ok this is a common problem that most riders do not realize their doing... thus giving it a a bad rep of being slow turning especially while looping the kite. Firstly you have to understand that the kite has to breathe in order to loop fast annnnd fly back up to 12 !
The video where Jaime said he likes the lowest knot on the bar for more power, is to suit HIS Pro skills - Not average joe kiter. This is why people are having back stall turn problems confusing it with power... Two different things and directions.
The ideal start point for medium to strong winds is to have it trimmed on land, so when you pull the bar full down - the kite will stop directly above you at 12. This will translate to a small amount of back stall when on the water. Unless its Nuking, I'll only jump when a gust hits the kite.
When you jump, at the peak, feather the bar so you can feel where the lift holds you neutral Without choking the kite.
Wherever that position is - will give you the fastest Fish pole full loop turn back to 12.
Once you understand where that point is (it can vary but still same feeling) - throw the loop just before the top of your jump...
and you'll suddenly realize how fast the Edge can Loop :)
Please don't take this as criticism, its just meant as feedback for you, based on my experience and from talking with Ozone's designers over the years.
Personally I've never seen one of these mods that actually made the kite better, but the riders of these kites though they really did fly better? I watched a guy with a shortened front bridle line, same one as you have shortened and he was constantly having issues with the kite overflying and not turning properly. Put the kite back to original spec and it flew well and behaved like the kite was designed to.
Did you try any increments before deciding that 2" was the magic amount? Have you noticed any distortion or collapsing of the LE when the kite is under load since the mod?
I think the only difference I note is much better on the v11-v12 is shortening the steering line to the shortest knot to go bigger.
Select to expand quoteste said..
I think the only difference I note is much better on the v11-v12 is shortening the steering line to the shortest knot to go bigger.
Yep, Ozone line sets are slightly depowered from the factory to allow for initial line stretch, and its recommended for more advanced riders to shorten the rears at the knots under the floats.
Select to expand quoteKPSS Used said..SaveTheWhales said..
Bar 53cm eleveight.world/kite/bars/cs-auto-bar/
Line length 22m
Weight 80kg
Now Im the first person who once upon a time, thought the edges were a slow turning pig... 10m and above, its still true but that's ok for their intended use. From the V11 9m and smaller, they changed the kite to significantly turn faster - Jaime Overbake rocking the Big Air world podium on one - it was bound to happen.
Now the jump timing of the Edges is different and when I first rode one (a V11 8m) I had to spend a day in around 20 knots getting used to it. What stands out about the edge is how aerodynamic stable it is in strong winds and how easily it reacts to slight wind increase with lift.
The 8m is fast turning and excellent for loops from 5m high to Mega Loops. You do have to fly it with more input to get the max from it. For me It felt 90% there but just needed a little more float..
This is where the 9m V12 comes into it - hoping it would fill the gap. I'd read all the reviews and watched all the videos and what was said is that the V11 would overfly on some landings so not very good for down winders or wave riding unless you flew it with more input than normal.
V12 First session - a whole lot more grunt and has the missing float / hangtime of the 8m v11 But...
The kite sits back in the window like a normal kite, yes this means you can throw anything at it and it will just happily drift back into place... Great for the average joe plug and play kiter.
Personally, I liked how my 8m V11 would hunt the edge of the window and crank crazy upwind angles. This also translates to more vertical takeoff lift for big air. So thought about it for awhile and decided to try a bridal mod as I have some experience doing this.. If it didn't work, just put it back to standard and carry on..
The Mod:
I shortened the single bridal line closest to the centre of the kite by 2 inches.
Bingo - now you can see the kite surge forward and hunt the edge of the window.
Test session - 20 35 knots.
It jumps much better. Loops faster and Heli loops further behind you, giving you more lift as it swings around. to the front.
Im happy with that :)
How not to choke your edge to Death
Ok this is a common problem that most riders do not realize their doing... thus giving it a a bad rep of being slow turning especially while looping the kite. Firstly you have to understand that the kite has to breathe in order to loop fast annnnd fly back up to 12 !
The video where Jaime said he likes the lowest knot on the bar for more power, is to suit HIS Pro skills - Not average joe kiter. This is why people are having back stall turn problems confusing it with power... Two different things and directions.
The ideal start point for medium to strong winds is to have it trimmed on land, so when you pull the bar full down - the kite will stop directly above you at 12. This will translate to a small amount of back stall when on the water. Unless its Nuking, I'll only jump when a gust hits the kite.
When you jump, at the peak, feather the bar so you can feel where the lift holds you neutral Without choking the kite.
Wherever that position is - will give you the fastest Fish pole full loop turn back to 12.
Once you understand where that point is (it can vary but still same feeling) - throw the loop just before the top of your jump...
and you'll suddenly realize how fast the Edge can Loop :)
Did you try any increments before deciding that 2" was the magic amount? Have you noticed any distortion or collapsing of the LE when the kite is under load since the mod?
No i didnt try other increments - too small is always unnoticeable. Ive moded kites that have behaved badly in the past because the brand funked it up... 0r to help someones kite steering mysteriously left or right with equal line measurements, no twisted bladders...
As in reviews online from the big kite stores, they all mention the 9m V11 wanting to fly above you and potentially drop if you dont actively fly them when heading downwind from a jump or other... and not a great kite for down winders.
So on buying the V12 9m and flying first time - it sits back in the window like any freeride kite and does not drive you upwind on crazy angles. - Ozone obviously changed it according to the Damning feed back and make it a better allrounder.
The magic no. 2 made it sit a little forward more when at 12 o'clock and still stable and also when you release the bar quickly, there is no sign of the Hindenburg. So yes it has made it better and its most noticeable when you jump a bit more vertical, Megaloop and Heliloop.
No distortion as you can see in the pic going for a late mega loop...
So yes it was either going to work Or I would put it back to standard and Sell it..
Now A Question for yourself..
Do you know of any other kites that have incremental bridle adjustments on the leading edge that change the positioning of the kite ?
And how many times did they change the line lengths - until they thought it would be 'suitable' for their "general market"....
My v12 cranks upwind just exactly the same as all the edges, zero difference that Ive noticed, just tweaks.
Select to expand quoteste said..
My v12 cranks upwind just exactly the same as all the edges, zero difference that Ive noticed, just tweaks.
A simple youtube search will back up the difference between the V11 & 12... I'm only talking about the 8 & 9m as in my topic.
Also they are using the V10 for their race kite not 11 or 12 with Jjaime overbake mods for big air.
So yes there is a difference like I instantly felt... and Ive had other riders both TT & foil board say exactly the same thing - who have ridden them for years...
If someone likes to try moding gear because they come from a high performance racing background - then fair enough if they have something to contribute and someone else who is the same way inclined might give it a try. Years ago on here, kiteforum and a few who pmed me afterwards... I posted about making line swivels like naish and slingshot had.. - with porcelain bearings to prevent them jamming or rusting and no need to unwind your lines after rotations... guess what your using now that has those bearings...
Its all good, most kiters wont dare move a knot on their kite, so few will try anything anyone mentions if its not plug and play... problem solved !
At the end of the day, if your happy with what youve got - thats great, have fun..
I've riden edges for years and don't really notice much difference, just tweaks, just my experience.
Select to expand quoteSaveTheWhales said..KPSS Used said..SaveTheWhales said..
Bar 53cm eleveight.world/kite/bars/cs-auto-bar/
Line length 22m
Weight 80kg
Now Im the first person who once upon a time, thought the edges were a slow turning pig... 10m and above, its still true but that's ok for their intended use. From the V11 9m and smaller, they changed the kite to significantly turn faster - Jaime Overbake rocking the Big Air world podium on one - it was bound to happen.
Now the jump timing of the Edges is different and when I first rode one (a V11 8m) I had to spend a day in around 20 knots getting used to it. What stands out about the edge is how aerodynamic stable it is in strong winds and how easily it reacts to slight wind increase with lift.
The 8m is fast turning and excellent for loops from 5m high to Mega Loops. You do have to fly it with more input to get the max from it. For me It felt 90% there but just needed a little more float..
This is where the 9m V12 comes into it - hoping it would fill the gap. I'd read all the reviews and watched all the videos and what was said is that the V11 would overfly on some landings so not very good for down winders or wave riding unless you flew it with more input than normal.
V12 First session - a whole lot more grunt and has the missing float / hangtime of the 8m v11 But...
The kite sits back in the window like a normal kite, yes this means you can throw anything at it and it will just happily drift back into place... Great for the average joe plug and play kiter.
Personally, I liked how my 8m V11 would hunt the edge of the window and crank crazy upwind angles. This also translates to more vertical takeoff lift for big air. So thought about it for awhile and decided to try a bridal mod as I have some experience doing this.. If it didn't work, just put it back to standard and carry on..
The Mod:
I shortened the single bridal line closest to the centre of the kite by 2 inches.
Bingo - now you can see the kite surge forward and hunt the edge of the window.
Test session - 20 35 knots.
It jumps much better. Loops faster and Heli loops further behind you, giving you more lift as it swings around. to the front.
Im happy with that :)
How not to choke your edge to Death
Ok this is a common problem that most riders do not realize their doing... thus giving it a a bad rep of being slow turning especially while looping the kite. Firstly you have to understand that the kite has to breathe in order to loop fast annnnd fly back up to 12 !
The video where Jaime said he likes the lowest knot on the bar for more power, is to suit HIS Pro skills - Not average joe kiter. This is why people are having back stall turn problems confusing it with power... Two different things and directions.
The ideal start point for medium to strong winds is to have it trimmed on land, so when you pull the bar full down - the kite will stop directly above you at 12. This will translate to a small amount of back stall when on the water. Unless its Nuking, I'll only jump when a gust hits the kite.
When you jump, at the peak, feather the bar so you can feel where the lift holds you neutral Without choking the kite.
Wherever that position is - will give you the fastest Fish pole full loop turn back to 12.
Once you understand where that point is (it can vary but still same feeling) - throw the loop just before the top of your jump...
and you'll suddenly realize how fast the Edge can Loop :)
Did you try any increments before deciding that 2" was the magic amount? Have you noticed any distortion or collapsing of the LE when the kite is under load since the mod?
No i didnt try other increments - too small is always unnoticeable. Ive moded kites that have behaved badly in the past because the brand funked it up... 0r to help someones kite steering mysteriously left or right with equal line measurements, no twisted bladders...
As in reviews online from the big kite stores, they all mention the 9m V11 wanting to fly above you and potentially drop if you dont actively fly them when heading downwind from a jump or other... and not a great kite for down winders.
So on buying the V12 9m and flying first time - it sits back in the window like any freeride kite and does not drive you upwind on crazy angles. - Ozone obviously changed it according to the Damning feed back and make it a better allrounder.
The magic no. 2 made it sit a little forward more when at 12 o'clock and still stable and also when you release the bar quickly, there is no sign of the Hindenburg. So yes it has made it better and its most noticeable when you jump a bit more vertical, Megaloop and Heliloop.
No distortion as you can see in the pic going for a late mega loop...
So yes it was either going to work Or I would put it back to standard and Sell it..
Now A Question for yourself..
Do you know of any other kites that have incremental bridle adjustments on the leading edge that change the positioning of the kite ?
And how many times did they change the line lengths - until they thought it would be 'suitable' for their "general market"....
Can't tell much from a still photo mid loop? All I can say is that I'm in touch with many Ozone Edge riders from around the world and none of them are modding their V11 and V12 smaller edges AFAIK.
The only kites Ozone make that have an adjustment at the centre of the front bridle are 3 strut kites which were designed for that purpose.
The V10 was kept as the "race" Edge because it was the last in that line of purpose built race inflatables, after that the Ozone designers went for more freeride but with almost the same upwind ability and speed, but they made the kite turn tighter.
Yep, that was my exact experience.
but I'm not bagging the mod, if it works for you, that's the most important thing.
happy winds to all.
