My Comments: I've had two sessions on my B2 shorts harness now. Conclusion is they are the best shorts harness by a long shot. They literally feel like a waist harness, just further down.
There is no uncomfortable pull from the groin straps, which I attribute to the straps going up through separate loops in the bar.
All I can say is I tried the Dakine for 3 years, tried the LF for 2 years and these are awesome close fitting and comfortable. The best load support structure by far.
Highly recommended for anyone that gets back pain/cramps from waist harnesses
Mal
+1
If you're considering boardie shorts harness/ seat harness type thing, try source some of the B2's before settling for the (what I would personally say), inferior Dakines....
Try Briskites, I think Jas has just ordered some more. He had one large size in stock a week ago.
Yep, and those size L are now mine. Have to ring and see when the next shipment is.
Will the Dynabar fit on these shorts?
I use the Dakine Nitrous at the moment with it but would be good to try something else. Had Nitrous for 6 years.
Not knocking anyone here but...
Recommending one harness over another on the basis that it feels better for you is not really advise at all. It simply means that it suits your body shape better.
Waist, seat or shorts ? - brand A, B or C ? It is all about what feels best for you.
I was put off shorts because; for me; the B2's I tried grabbed my groin way more than any other seat I have ever used. The Nitrous has converted me. Suits me perfectly.
There are advantages & disadvantages to discuss to help ppl decide on waist, seat or shorts.
There are quality, durability and feature issues you can discuss re brands.
BUT what suits is simply a matter bw you & your harness. Decide which type you want then try them all. The best one is the one that fits you best.
@ rgeo. Yes the Dynabar works fine with shorts.
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Puppet,
Also, as stated the Dakine's did not last 1 season before falling apart at the stitching. I had three separate pairs, and just got sick of going back.
The B2's appear to have a superior and higher quality stitching.
Also, if they fit my body size and feel better than either of the other 2 brands, it's perfectly reasonable that the chances of doing so on other people is also good.
So sorry, but it is perfectly reasonable to recommend these shorts based on my experience both in quality and comfort, and structural support design.
Oh , and note the Dynabar will not work on these shorts, despite Puppets opinion. If you actually try them, you would notice 2 very specific and large rings that run the groin straps through the bar. You could probably bypass those rings, but the whole direction of the strap hold down point would be wrong. Also, the bar with the shorts has a specific hook and clip (as opposed to the standadish loop that fits a strap), so if you tried to fit the dynabar you'd have two loops to try tie together! So sorry rgeo, in my opinion the dynabar will not fit these shorts.
Puppet, are you sure you tried these?????? Because there is no way without major surgery that a dynabar will fit.
Thanks Malfi for the info.
I had a feeling it didn't look like it could work when i checked the photos. The B2 shorts look great but I do love my dynabar. Hopefully someone will come up with a way to make the two compatible.
You guys are certainly not pulling punchs here - but you are directing them the wrong way.
If you read my post without any preconceptions you will note that I am not knocking any brand or any style or in fact anything.
What I am saying (very clearly I thought) was simply that one person recommending any brand or style of harness based on comfort and fit is NOT necessarily a valid recommendation for someone else.
What I was pointing out is that everyone should try ALL brands and styles for themselves (no mention of just the ones I might sell) because when it comes to how well they suit you the comment
All good fellas, but if I have tried the 3 different shorts harnesses over a long period of time, again it is perfectly reasonable to recommend them based on my experience.
What you guys don't get is that comfort for someone with back issues is absolutely paramount. No comfort, no kiting. Hence the RECOMMENDATION that Puppet seemed to take be against.
Not missing it at all. I still recommend the Ion B2 shorts harness. Best ones out of the 3 I've used.
Hi Brycol
Couldn't quickly figure out how to attach photos in a PM, so here are some photos.
I don't know if these are any different ot the 2011 model.
Actually thanks for that. I just picked up from the first photo that I hae a strap fed slightly wrong through the keeper!
Mal
Do they give you a better abs workout? The only reason I'd look at these is because I find waist harnesses ride up a fair bit and that normal seat harnesses look gayer than Elton John.
That said, a waist harness in the right spot gives you good back support that these wouldn't. What are your experiences with that side of it?
Looks like that bar is removable so some sort of dynabar lookalike would surely be possible.
Thanks for the pics Mal much appreciated, as I said they don't show the front anywhere on the net.
There are a couple of changes from the 2011 model. The side straps look easier to work as they have been seperated into top and bottom, whereas the 11's have 1 strap that goes through the the whole lot and makes it a bit more difficult to adjust. There are 2 points for the hold down straps to exit the shorts, whereas the 11's have one, have you tried both the settings and if so what was the difference.
My 2 cents on the shorts are they're fantastic. I'm more of an ocean cruiser than tricks. I haven't tried other shorts as yet, but picked these ones on reviews on the net from around the world and could not find a bad word about them. I support Mal's comments they a very comfortable and the build quality is excellent.
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) and what doesn't so I've been bothered to try, I'm more about getting out on the water quickly.
No probs B
thestig, I put the straps on over my 2mm paddle shorts.
Saffer is spot on with his description of the shorts vs waisty with pros and cons.
I did try the lower position of the groin straps coming through the shorts. There is even less stress on the groin straps then, and obviously the bar rides a little lower. I'll prob keep the upper setting, as it's closer to what I'm used to.
My style is hooked in, with lots of tricks and turns so I don't know about any disadvantage with unhooked riding.
I'm married over 20 years, but I won't wear the seat harnesses. It just aint right!!(looking)
We have about 5 of these left in stock so check out the website if you are in need of them.
I'll be putting a 2011 pair of ION B2's and 2011 ION Apex on the Buy n Sell forum tomorrow.... 
(both large)
