Griffin kites advertising...

+1 to what Laurie said, but also Bennie as well.

This month it is Griffin, 3 months ago it was BWS, 12 months ago it was Best.

And if you believe that there is no such thing as bad press, this thread is also helping to build Griffin's profile.

Maybe we should start the purge with this thread... [}:)] (joking already)

Yeh man world domination by the griffin. thought it was funny though. Then again I've been sitting for the last week and a half on my ass waiting for this stupid ankle to heal I'd find anything funny right about now.

Post of the month Sir.

To answer your questions:

Yes it affects my life. I've not been able to sleep for 17 days & nights straight. I'm off my food, have stopped laying eggs and can only see in black & white.

Does it make my kiting different? That's the least of my problems! Have some sensitivity please; the rash just won't go away and I may never have children.. Damn pimps.

As you stated, you "couldn't care less either way". Maybe some people do care - and state their opinion. Perhaps you're against free speech?

I care if some newbie who knows no better wastes money on an as yet unproven design.. I guess other folks feel the same. Maybe they don't like watching all the free advertising going on either.

I pay if I sell something on the site, place an advert, 1 item $14 - I've got no problem with that.
Retailers pay to support Seabreeze and advertise their services here; banner ads, sponsorship - that's fair.
Maybe some folks reckon it's not so fair to sell thousands of dollars worth of kites while not supporting the site you pimp advertise on...
As Laurie previously said, there's a line between informing the public and (the way I see it) 'taking the piss'. But hey, it's often the richest people in the world who dodge and pay the least tax!

Thanks for your condescending post; hopefully my humble retort doesn't offend.

Greenpat there is a very good reason Subculture has made this post and it his integrity behind not disclosing this in public is second to none.

He is just trying to protect the naive buyer that is all. So there is more behind the post than just a general whinge.

protecting new buyers is his underlying aim. Here is my two cents worth:

1. Demo, if you can't demo don't buy.

2. If demoing is just not an option (been in that situation before), read all you can on this kite from manufactures and more importantly forums. Contact those people directly and develop a dialogue that develops your ideas about the kite away from public scrutiny. Save all conversations from multiple sources then cross reference. confer then with someone who is an experienced rider if you can. try and find a balance of those that like the kite have ridden it and those that prefer another brand.

3. Find a good retailer and develop a relationship with them. Be honest about your intentions.

This has proven a good formula for me. Ultimately demo and if you are a beginner take an experienced rider down to demo for you.

Do your homework.
Just ideas that might help avoid incorrect purchases.

Im gunna call you The Riddeler from now on GreenPat

Surely you are not suggesting that if you "Do your homework" even a newb would be able to see that almost every post on gear in the last x months says basicaly the same thing, more stable than blah, turns like a 10 with grunt of 14, pumps like a 4 blah blah blah and know that there's more to buying a kite than the review/opinion of others.

On a seperate (and more nerdy) note, and we have been here before, surely there has to be a more objective way of measuring these things?

""He is trying to protect the naive buyer""
From what, I ask, you guys make it sound like Griffin kites are bad quality because they dont advertise on seabreeze, what a load of cr@p.
You think North is the best because they have the biggest advertising budget, how naive would you be to belive that!!!
Its like you start to believe something just because you get fed the same BS enough times.

I dont advertise my SUGARQUBE kiteboards on Seabreeze because I dont see the value for money they would have to be a lot more expensive to cover the cost of advertising here, I would rather pass on the discount to the customer, and it doesnt mean they are un proven or bad boards.

Has anyone seen the low, low prices on bananas at Woolies this week ?

I have heard that they are staying down.

Pass it on.

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Mikedobee said...

First of all, what sorts of dramas?
The First Argo, the valve tube between the LE and strut decided to come off (first run on the kite) as it had no cable tie securing the ends to each of the bladders. (and for the first and last time in my life I hadn't closed the clamp, resulting in a completely deflated kite) It was also a kite that 'should not have come to me'

Second Argo, two minutes out of the pack it decided to deflate, the LE bladder had a moderate leak in the cuff. Chris offered to supply a new bladder, but as this was the second thing, I decided I wanted to return the kite (lengthy process). I had adopted a two strike process as I had a huge bad run with another kite brand that suffered in the quality department.
I did like the speed and boosting capability of the Argo, but in saying that my new 2012 Wainman Smoke is the same if not better and IMO Griffen products lack quality and attention to detail.

Second, what level was he?
Intermediate

Is it just me or you r full of BS?

I know I am a beginner and had nothing but awesome times with the newest Argo. Yes, it's awesome value for money. What more do you want? Hands free relaunch, huge wind range, massive depower, fast turning (for its size). I would really like to meet your mate, I am pretty sure he could use some friendly advice on how to kitesurf.

As a beginner Mike I don't understand how you could give me some friendly advice on how to kitesurf...

Cheers
Brent

People, you can troll as much as you want about the Griffin Kites, they won't stop being amazing kites.

Thanks,
Mike

well technically your handle is sugarcube and your avatar has sugacube kiteboards. Call me stupid but that seems like subliminal advertising to me

[start sarcasm]
If any Australian brand becomes popular in Australia and starts getting a following + posts + talked about by Australians on a Australian forum they should BE IMMEDIATELY FLAMED AND TROLLED.

The smaller innovative brands don't deserve to be popular, they don't pay enough advertizing or charge enough for there product to be popular. They are too easy to reach and contact for support to be popular.
[/end sarcasm]

I never heard of SugarQube before, but I already want to support them.

Large well backed international brands that bypass Aussie shops underselling shops out of business and having their riders bash other brands, I can understand why advertisers on SB would want posts removed (Switch?)

Aussie brands that sell through some Aussie shops and schools, some who pay to advertize on SB cant be all that bad ( Griffin?, SugarQube? )...

lotofwind seems to have it in for griffin.... a Switch rider, a team rider?
Does Switch give you a prize for bagging out other brands?

lotofwind - Posted 11/12/2011, 6:49 pm
I have a 10m nitro. Well built kite,heaps of grunt.Great kite for jumping with good hang time.
Im looking to get a 9m method for the waves
Can afford to get a full quiver compared to most other brands.
Ive had the nitro for a couple of months and cant really fault it.

lotofwind - Posted 04/01/2012, 3:38 pm
Had the 9m method out in cross/offshore waves today,about 20knots.
Fun kite to fly, drifts well down the line, and what suprised me is that it boosts quiet well for a 3 strut wave kite.
Thinking of getting a 7m now, for the stronger wind days.
Cant fault the build quality.
Happy camper.

lotofwind - Posted 20/12/2011, 6:16 pm
If your after a grunty kite with heaps of lift, go the nito.
But if your more after something for wave riding, the method is what your after.
You can wave ride on the nitro, but its not a good down the line drift kite like the method.but hey,,for the price,you could buy both and still save some bucks for chrissy beers

Wow,,I answered 3 posts on one brand over 5 months.If I was making money out of pimping, Id be broke.
I also own a couple of ozones, peter lynns and fly surfers, and have answered posts on them. Im a pimping slut
Thats what the reveiw section is about,
not shops,designers,distributers flooding threads with the same videos.
You cant get a real non bias reveiw from someone who is making $500 from everyone they can con into believing their hype.

I think the best reveiws are the ones that come from people who are unhappy with
with their kite.Bladder issues,bar issues etc. That way you find out the faults/problems with the kite, not the hyped up sellers BS.

If there is a Griffin thread that should be taken down it's this one. Brand bashing at its finest.

Protecting the naive buyer, didn't they go bankrupt, newbies wasting their money, unproven kite design, blah blah blah

If it was my company and I was reading this crap I'd be pissed.

Great to see some free 'How to run your business better' advice on here as well.