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Crazy fly Moo Wii 13 meters. Any feedback?

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Created by Mikedobee > 9 months ago, 17 Jun 2012
Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
18 Jun 2012 1:10AM
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Hi All,

Could you please share some ideas about Moowii from Crazy fly. I have flown for a couple of minutes the 13 meters and I don't know what to say.

The bar is pretty amazing: Very light feel, confortable and pretty sturdy.

The quick release system is also really great. Can put the QR back in with only 1 hand.

It seems to be having a lot of vertical power, but at 45 degrees feels a bit weak. (I could be wrong).

Relaunch seems alright.

Please don't take anything too serious, I lack experience and this is only an opinion from a newbie. I am really curious to hear some experienced kiters.

Thanks,
Mike

WA Surf
WA, 336 posts
18 Jun 2012 8:18AM
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We sell the CrazyFly MooWii here in WA.

We have found this to be an excellent kite especially for the 'newbie' like yourself. The bar is extremely light and we have used them in our school and have stood up to the abuse they receive from students on a daily basis.

They are not the most grunty kite on the market but you will be very happy if you decide to use one as they are extremely user friendly.

Any questions feel free to contact us

Subculture
443 posts
18 Jun 2012 1:30PM
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Mikedobee said...

Hi All,

Could you please share some ideas about Moowii from Crazy fly. I have flown for a couple of minutes the 13 meters and I don't know what to say.



You're selling a 13m Moowii that "has never been flown" - but you've flown one for a couple of minutes... WTF?

Thinking of buying it from yourself perhaps???

Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
18 Jun 2012 9:10PM
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Wrong.

Had the add there for a while. And yes, it wasn't flown. Now though, since I haven't received any inquiries about it, decided to keep it.
Makes sense?!


Subculture said...

Mikedobee said...

Hi All,

Could you please share some ideas about Moowii from Crazy fly. I have flown for a couple of minutes the 13 meters and I don't know what to say.



You're selling a 13m Moowii that "has never been flown" - but you've flown one for a couple of minutes... WTF?

Thinking of buying it from yourself perhaps???


Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
18 Jun 2012 9:12PM
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As for the feed back. How is it in gusty winds? Any words on that?

Thanks for that!

Subculture
443 posts
18 Jun 2012 10:04PM
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Mikedobee said...

Wrong.

Had the add there for a while. And yes, it wasn't flown. Now though, since I haven't received any inquiries about it, decided to keep it.
Makes sense?!



Makes perfect sense dude, it'll fit perfectly in your quiver of - "the kites I fly (Rally 10 meters, Furia 12 meters, 15 meters Cabrinha and 17 meters Griffin)"

Hey, you might want to get a 14 too......

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
19 Jun 2012 9:14AM
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I think most people are too embarrassed about the name to go anywhere near one.

IanR
NSW, 1322 posts
19 Jun 2012 12:43PM
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Mike
Please check the safety system the older ones from the beginning of the year have issues, they will not release under load. The little metal tag at the end can spin around and then jams in the red release push away part.
The newer ones have heaps of stitching on the black plastic of the chicken loop to stop the metal tag moving. About a third of chicken loop is stitched

Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
20 Jun 2012 2:22PM
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Woow, really? That doesn't sound too good. I'll give it a try this Friday.

Thanks for that Ian.

IanR said...

Mike
Please check the safety system the older ones from the beginning of the year have issues, they will not release under load. The little metal tag at the end can spin around and then jams in the red release push away part.
The newer ones have heaps of stitching on the black plastic of the chicken loop to stop the metal tag moving. About a third of chicken loop is stitched


Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
20 Jun 2012 2:25PM
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Unfortunately no longer own two of these kites. I've had my luggage stolen on my way to the beach.

Subculture said...

Mikedobee said...

Wrong.

Had the add there for a while. And yes, it wasn't flown. Now though, since I haven't received any inquiries about it, decided to keep it.
Makes sense?!



Makes perfect sense dude, it'll fit perfectly in your quiver of - "the kites I fly (Rally 10 meters, Furia 12 meters, 15 meters Cabrinha and 17 meters Griffin)"

Hey, you might want to get a 14 too......


Subculture
443 posts
20 Jun 2012 2:47PM
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Mikedobee said...

Unfortunately no longer own two of these kites. I've had my luggage stolen on my way to the beach.


Sorry to hear. You don't say what ones were stolen but keep in mind that you can (and should) have more gap between your bigger sizes than the smaller i.e. 5, 7, 10, 14m or 6, 8, 11, 15, or even 7, 9, 12, 17m are all examples but perfectly viable 4 kite quivers - depending on winds/location and rider weight. There's theory in there but I CBA explaining

Keeping it simple, don't waste your money on having big sizes too close together. Just work around that theory. I've (like many others) got away with 9 & 12 for years. A good bigger kite for me would be a 17, smaller would be 6 or 7.

If, for example, you still have the 10 and 17, the 13 will fit well, again dependant on your weight, experience, location etc. Remember also that your kites are all different make and models; that factors in also.

Hope this helps.

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
20 Jun 2012 4:31PM
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Just leaving this here for Oh Pee

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Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
21 Jun 2012 4:30AM
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I think someone should look up "totally random"

Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
21 Jun 2012 4:34AM
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Hi man,

You are absolutely right, and makes perfect sense. The big ones, bigger gap, smaller ones smaller gap. However, it is absolutely useless for us in NSW Northern Beaches to have kites smaller than 10. I've been kiting for almost 1 year and in 35-40 sessions, I never had winds too powerful for my 10. Seriously, no need for small kites there.

I've lost my 10 and my 17. I need to look for some new ones. Maybe a Rally 2012, as for the 17, for sure the Griffin.

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
21 Jun 2012 7:48PM
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Work out what model kite you like and get a quiver of 'em.

My 2c.

Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
22 Jun 2012 10:45PM
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Fully tried the 13 today. After a couple of rides, I've decided to QR in order to land as it was nobody around. Tried once, twice, starting to panic, third time (pulling with my right hand the middle lines in order to reduce tension and with my left hand pushing the QR). Finally the thing gets loose and the kite drops into the water. So it's true, they do have some issues with the QR.

In terms of gusty winds, it seems to behave pretty good.

Any other experiences?

Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
26 Jun 2012 4:13PM
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OH MY GOOOOOOD. THE INSURANCE WON'T REPLACE MY KITES.......I AM ****ED........

flybywire
NSW, 50 posts
26 Jun 2012 6:06PM
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Mikedobee said...

Fully tried the 13 today. After a couple of rides, I've decided to QR in order to land as it was nobody around. Tried once, twice, starting to panic, third time (pulling with my right hand the middle lines in order to reduce tension and with my left hand pushing the QR). Finally the thing gets loose and the kite drops into the water. So it's true, they do have some issues with the QR.

In terms of gusty winds, it seems to behave pretty good.

Any other experiences?


What the hell, after someone warned you the QR might fail you fly the kite before fixing it or checking it out on land...lucky nothing went wrong while you were out there or while launching.

WA Surf
WA, 336 posts
26 Jun 2012 9:50PM
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yes they had issues. CrazyFly has acknowledged this, fixed it and as far as I know they will replace any faulty safety strait away.

I have contacted CrazyFly regarding this issue to see if they are sending out replacements or doing a recall on products but as we know, kites and bars are built separately so that may not be so easy.

We know this is not ideal - it should not happen in the first place.

I will let you know when I get an answer.

Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
27 Jun 2012 12:39AM
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Cool. Thanks.

WA Surf said...

yes they had issues. CrazyFly has acknowledged this, fixed it and as far as I know they will replace any faulty safety strait away.

I have contacted CrazyFly regarding this issue to see if they are sending out replacements or doing a recall on products but as we know, kites and bars are built separately so that may not be so easy.

We know this is not ideal - it should not happen in the first place.

I will let you know when I get an answer.


Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
27 Jun 2012 12:41AM
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I did try it on land. And it appeared to be working fine. Soon to find out, different story in the air. Ah well. Didn't expect that to happened.

flybywire said...

Mikedobee said...

Fully tried the 13 today. After a couple of rides, I've decided to QR in order to land as it was nobody around. Tried once, twice, starting to panic, third time (pulling with my right hand the middle lines in order to reduce tension and with my left hand pushing the QR). Finally the thing gets loose and the kite drops into the water. So it's true, they do have some issues with the QR.

In terms of gusty winds, it seems to behave pretty good.

Any other experiences?


What the hell, after someone warned you the QR might fail you fly the kite before fixing it or checking it out on land...lucky nothing went wrong while you were out there or while launching.


WA Surf
WA, 336 posts
28 Jun 2012 6:33PM
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I have spoken to CrazyFly and here is their response. Less than 1% of 2012 kites had this issue, but have a read and if you have an issue they will send a new replacement to the shop you purchased your CF kite from.

"Yes, we had some issues, but the number of customers getting back to us was very low.
We have replaced all faulty chicken loops (complete with safety) required by WA Surf or any other customer.

We did not know about these problems untill they were reported to us.
Based on this, we made immediate improvements to the safety system and all works well.
We know this should not happen, but all brands have issues sometimes.

Because the number of complaints about the safety was very low, we did not do a recall of all bars.
Faulty safety complaints did not reach 1% off all kites sold during 2012.
We have contacted all dealers to check their safety and be on the lookout for issues.
As I mentioned, we are happy to replace any faulty chicken loop for a new one. These do not have any issues at all.

We understand and I could not stress more, how important it is to have a good safety system.
So, we did take this issue very seriously and did everyhting we can to fix the situation.

Any customer who feels their safety has issues, should contact the retailer (where they bought the kite) and we will send rpelacement chicken loops to the retailer."



Mikedobee
NSW, 331 posts
28 Jun 2012 11:55PM
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ok. Cool thanks. I'll contact the seller.

WA Surf said...

I have spoken to CrazyFly and here is their response. Less than 1% of 2012 kites had this issue, but have a read and if you have an issue they will send a new replacement to the shop you purchased your CF kite from.

"Yes, we had some issues, but the number of customers getting back to us was very low.
We have replaced all faulty chicken loops (complete with safety) required by WA Surf or any other customer.

We did not know about these problems untill they were reported to us.
Based on this, we made immediate improvements to the safety system and all works well.
We know this should not happen, but all brands have issues sometimes.

Because the number of complaints about the safety was very low, we did not do a recall of all bars.
Faulty safety complaints did not reach 1% off all kites sold during 2012.
We have contacted all dealers to check their safety and be on the lookout for issues.
As I mentioned, we are happy to replace any faulty chicken loop for a new one. These do not have any issues at all.

We understand and I could not stress more, how important it is to have a good safety system.
So, we did take this issue very seriously and did everyhting we can to fix the situation.

Any customer who feels their safety has issues, should contact the retailer (where they bought the kite) and we will send rpelacement chicken loops to the retailer."






IanR
NSW, 1322 posts
29 Jun 2012 12:15AM
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I have to say that I am appalled by that response. Saying that they have only had 1% of customers have had problems when so far in my experience every safety of there's I have tried or heard of has this issue
I fell that there should have been a recall on the product. The fix for the jamming issue is just a band-aid fix with just a bit more stiching added to the loop
It seem like another manufacture just interested in make a buck and the local importer helping by not saying anything about a faulty product that could cause serious harm or even death
Good on you WA Surf for posting their response but you knew there was an issue with the safety on the 18/06/12 when you posted that it was a good product for learning. Why was it left to someone like me to point out these issues
If you where not aware of this problem are you saying that the instructors do not do a simulated release as part of there lesson
The kites are fine and fly well if a little boring

WA Surf
WA, 336 posts
29 Jun 2012 3:55PM
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IanR,

Let me start by saying that, as is standard, all of our instructors perform safety release & pack downs in our lessons, both on the land and in the water.

As far as not mentioning it. We only had a couple of faults out of the products we used. Please note we mentioned they had issues. We were under the belief that this was an isolated issue and had been resolved.
I personally, would not sell the bar to someone if I believed it to have an issue which could cause injury or death.

If you would like to discuss this issue further as to why it was not mentioned or our stand on the products, please contact us on 0427 927 873 and we will be happy to have a chat. We are not interested in either retailer or brand bashing on a forum.

Also, I have notified CrazyFly of this thread and they have read it so rest assured, all comments regarding any issues of safety are not falling on deaf ears (eyes?).

yendor
NSW, 262 posts
7 Jul 2012 9:54AM
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Was at the beach yesterday, a guy had one of these kites and his safety was jammed and had a hell of a time releasing it on land.Then i come across this thread

WA Surf
WA, 336 posts
7 Jul 2012 11:40AM
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We have passed all of this feedback on to CrazyFly and will keep you up to date with what they are doing on the issue.

In the meantime, we would like to remind everybody, new kiters and experienced alike, that checking of your safety gear regularly is very important.

If you have an issue with your safety or it is even remotely 'iffy', we ask that everybody please head into their local shop and have it checked out.

8 Jul 2012 4:08PM
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The chicken loop release issue only affected the early 2011 manufactured models, CF are replacing any affected CL's free of charge. If you have a CF kite test the QR if its tight at all come and see us or any CF dealer and it will be replaced.



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