So, things change every year. Some bars get better some get worse. Now that all the 2014 bars are out, which bar do you think is the best on the market?
I fly ozones, nothing wrong with the current or older bar, very simple and practical, however the new bws above bar option looks the goods, however I'd change the lines to the braid tech which ozone use , personally I don't get wrapped up in all the bs, it's a bar with 4 or 5 lines which has depower and safety, which lets you fly your kite, if you start picking holes in its design and function you must be a seriously good rider , which most are not
Yeh I'm in the same school of thought as Cauncy. I have added the new megatron to the ozone bar but ultimately it wasn't totally necessary, except now it can fully flag out if I punch out in suicide (which I ride all the time).
I do like the look of the new switch bar and the best redline bar myself, got all that I like on a bar....simple to change back line length, simple to change bar length (something ozone should look at), switch has above and below bar swivel (to me below the bar is the bare minimum), a decent stopper.
If I could have all that and ozone lines I'd be stoked.
Smack yourself in the face with an Ozone bar and it Fn hurts also hitch a bar end with your leash and you'll want to get rid of those hard bar ends.
That was my only gripe with the Megatron bar.
Yeh soft bar ends would be better but I've never smacked my self in the face with it hahaha
Select to expand quoteSaffer said..
So, things change every year. Some bars get better some get worse. Now that all the 2014 bars are out, which bar do you think is the best on the market?
do you generally buy separate bars to your kites?
ozone has the best and simplist power/depower cleat on the market and best lines too. Not a fan of the new safety CL but the swivel works a treat!
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Yeh soft bar ends would be better but I've never smacked my self in the face with it hahaha
They have got a bar on trial which has the moulded ends and floats (like Liquid Force) ive just got back from Egypt Nabq and kev at kitejunkies has one on demo (they are a ozone school and rental centre)
Not sure if they are going to release it though.
Select to expand quoteBig eeeZeee said..Saffer said..
So, things change every year. Some bars get better some get worse. Now that all the 2014 bars are out, which bar do you think is the best on the market?
do you generally buy separate bars to your kites?
ozone has the best and simplist power/depower cleat on the market and best lines too. Not a fan of the new safety CL but the swivel works a treat!
Why not, I have used it for a while now, not a problem, easy to reset?
Oh yeh an adjustable throw is also something I like, I ride with a relatively short throw, although the ozone throw is about right. Sometimes on the big gusty winter days though I like to increase it. Another aspect I like with the switch bar / north bar.
Thing is I like stuff from all the bars (and dislike other parts of the bar design) but can't seem to find what I define as yeh good stuff ON ONE BAR!!!!
Select to expand quoteSaffer said..
So, things change every year. Some bars get better some get worse. Now that all the 2014 bars are out, which bar do you think is the best on the market?
the 1 that comes with the kite...... 
there is no best bar everyone wants different things
i prefer a large chicken loop and ATB cleat and soft bar ends
nearly knocked my teeth out and broken my nose cracked myself in the back of the head on hard bar ends yet to put on through my surfboard yet (knock on wood)
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Big eeeZeee said..Saffer said..
So, things change every year. Some bars get better some get worse. Now that all the 2014 bars are out, which bar do you think is the best on the market?
do you generally buy separate bars to your kites?
ozone has the best and simplist power/depower cleat on the market and best lines too. Not a fan of the new safety CL but the swivel works a treat!
Why not, I have used it for a while now, not a problem, easy to reset?
Oh yeh an adjustable throw is also something I like, I ride with a relatively short throw, although the ozone throw is about right. Sometimes on the big gusty winter days though I like to increase it. Another aspect I like with the switch bar / north bar.
Thing is I like stuff from all the bars (and dislike other parts of the bar design) but can't seem to find what I define as yeh good stuff ON ONE BAR!!!!
When you try and hook back in after a trick the swivel works TOO well and rotates the chicken loop constantly. SOmetimes it may take 2 or 3 attempts just to hook back in to the spreader bar
But Eppo doesn't unhook so it wouldn't have happened to him... He rides suicide but probably doesn't know why!
Select to expand quoteDelFuego said..
if you like the softer feminine colour scheme a bar from gin kites, 
elephant lion same
Select to expand quoteBig eeeZeee said..eppo said..Big eeeZeee said..Saffer said..
So, things change every year. Some bars get better some get worse. Now that all the 2014 bars are out, which bar do you think is the best on the market?
do you generally buy separate bars to your kites?
ozone has the best and simplist power/depower cleat on the market and best lines too. Not a fan of the new safety CL but the swivel works a treat!
Why not, I have used it for a while now, not a problem, easy to reset?
Oh yeh an adjustable throw is also something I like, I ride with a relatively short throw, although the ozone throw is about right. Sometimes on the big gusty winter days though I like to increase it. Another aspect I like with the switch bar / north bar.
Thing is I like stuff from all the bars (and dislike other parts of the bar design) but can't seem to find what I define as yeh good stuff ON ONE BAR!!!!
When you try and hook back in after a trick the swivel works TOO well and rotates the chicken loop constantly. SOmetimes it may take 2 or 3 attempts just to hook back in to the spreader bar
Actually you are right, I have found this also hooking back in. Just figured that goes with the territory. I find the north does the same sometimes as well.
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if you like the softer feminine colour scheme a bar from gin kites,
No adjustable bar length.
No adjustable throw length (I think just by looking at it, might be wrong).
No adjustable back line length adjustment at the bar end.
No useable stopper
No.
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No adjustable bar length.
No adjustable throw length (I think just by looking at it, might be wrong).
No adjustable back line length adjustment at the bar end.
No useable stopper
No.
My 2 cents worth...
Over-rated. Especially on the fly like the new Cab bars - also, the added weight adds momentum when unpinning the bar.
Over-rated. Especially if you have a stopper 
Unnecessary. But much cleaner to have it tucked under the floats...
Meh... Something else to fiddle with 
...
What are you looking for in a bar? There are compromises for any design you go for... I'd settle with fewer parts and better quality bits.
I like the 2012 cabrinha bar because the middle lines spin themselves out when you roll or loop the kite.The swivle does not jam when sand gets in it.Nice soft bar ends dont damage your surfboard..On 2014 cabrinha bar you have to spin the middle lines out at the swivel at the chicken loop.A backwards step ,but they probably did this to lessen the angle that the middle lines go to the kite.
Airush have got a 4 size bar which is a good idea , but the swivel is hard to hold onto when trying to twist lines out while riding.
Ozone 2014 bar has made an improvment to get to a safe standard.The swivel actually swivels and you can twist your lines out while riding with out taking your safety off the safety release is less prone to getting jamed.
I thought the 2013 bar was a death trap .That safety release jamed unless it was meticulasly washed and maintained.
I am keen to try the sling shot bar next , but for now cabrinha bar is my favourite.I fly ozone kites too!
Select to expand quotediamond2001 said..
I like the 2012 cabrinha bar because the middle lines spin themselves out when you roll or loop the kite.The swivle does not jam when sand gets in it.Nice soft bar ends dont damage your surfboard..On 2014 cabrinha bar you have to spin the middle lines out at the swivel at the chicken loop.A backwards step ,but they probably did this to lessen the angle that the middle lines go to the kite.
Airush have got a 4 size bar which is a good idea , but the swivel is hard to hold onto when trying to twist lines out while riding.
Ozone 2014 bar has made an improvment to get to a safe standard.The swivel actually swivels and you can twist your lines out while riding with out taking your safety off the safety release is less prone to getting jamed.
I thought the 2013 bar was a death trap .That safety release jamed unless it was meticulasly washed and maintained.
I am keen to try the sling shot bar next , but for now cabrinha bar is my favourite.I fly ozone kites too!
Those are the kind of compromises I'm talking about - you can have a good swivel with double front safety BUT if you want single front line safety, you have to ditch the swivel and manually unspin the lines.
Doesn't the switch bar have below and above swivel and yet can flag to one line? What do you mean?
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..eppo said..
No adjustable bar length.
No adjustable throw length (I think just by looking at it, might be wrong).
No adjustable back line length adjustment at the bar end.
No useable stopper
No.
My 2 cents worth...
Over-rated. Especially on the fly like the new Cab bars - also, the added weight adds momentum when unpinning the bar.
Over-rated. Especially if you have a stopper
Unnecessary. But much cleaner to have it tucked under the floats...
Meh... Something else to fiddle with
...
What are you referring to in your comments above...which part?
Select to expand quoteharry potter said...
Thanks for coming
No stopper and the throw is too long you gotta climb up tgat damn depower line to retrieve your bar after spinning it multiple times. Is there a stopper that actually works in a PVC covered depower line? The ozone one won't it's useless.
The wainman and liquid force swivels work fine. nothing is going to work with multiple twists without a little help...
True true, but I'd rather provide this help from somewhere where you have control of this, under the bar.
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No adjustable bar length. - just complicates the simple bar, matter of choice really
No adjustable throw length (I think just by looking at it, might be wrong). i think you can adjust the ropes to change the throw
No adjustable back line length adjustment at the bar end. correct. tune the strings and then use the depower to adjust
No useable stopper - i think there is one available, but that might be on the older bws before the pvc covered ropes
No.
difficult to make a simple to use bar when you start to add lots of bells and whistles
Lots of 'better' bars coming from many brands in 14 & 15 models..
The absolute best advance in bars is the general (if informal) agreement across almost all brands of the push away QR at the head of the CL.
A very effective place & action for QR and an incredibly effective safety issue well addressed by this trend.
IMO essentials for a 'better' bar are -
- ATB cleat trim - but it must be a good system - some still dont lock in easily enough & some still slip unless pressed in by hand.
- a really effective sliding stopper (I call it cruise control ) Some dont like or use it but I reckon its a must - love em.
- rear line adjustment knots under the floats - brilliant idea & so many still not providing this simple benefit??
- front line untwist at the head of the CL. Again simple & cheap and clearly the best untwist option.
- safety through the CL to a free single flagging line.
All the above are covered by many brands this year and bars are becoming much cleaner & simple. Good move.
Another one worth checking out in the 2015 range will be the new BEST bar. Very nice & very clean.
Actually theres a lot to look at in the 2015 BEST KITEBOARDING range.
We had put them on the back burner for a while there but the new ownership team is finally pulling their act together. 2015 kites, accessories & the whole back-up service deal all looking the goods. Im impressed. Reckon you will be too.
The best bar 2014 is also from what I've read (used the 2013) is agreed from my perspective a really good unit with all the stuff and simplicity I like.
The stopper in the 2013 is excellent but I regard the north one better as it has enough to say hold you for a deadman (just an example) but can be pushed away with the bar when needed.
The best one you gotta take ya hands off the bar to move it. It's really tight!!
But yeh Phil of all the bars I've researched that one stands out for me.
Remember this is what I like and I am enjoying this discussion. I'm not saying you NEED to have this or that each to their own.
here is the least amount of parts i think you could get away with. not for everyone though.
