^^^^^^^10m. This would be your all round kite. If your a beginner you can always pick up a second hand 6m for when its nuking later on.
BWS is anything but a beginner kite. It reminds me a lot the Slingy Octane....which they have discarded from their range.
The depower is pretty efficient but when fully released, the bar is unreachable. The only way is to use the stopper ball but then you're loosing most of the depower which is ok if you are advanced but once again not for a beginner.
I also noticed when used by beginners this kite stalls a lot. Due to the fact beginners like to keep the kite at 12.
All the premium brands have several models within their range and some specifically designed for beginners so if they spend load of money in R&D there is a reason. BWS noise is designed for advanced "WAVE" riders and nothing else. The ones who tell you otherwise are just liars... You'll see those kites a lot in WA but it's very likely for a matter of local proudness.... as you will not see them anywhere else.
For sure the price is good but it's probably better to go for a discounted 2011 kite designed for beginner rather than one these advanced kite.
Someone on this post mentionned about the Ozone Catalyst, which indeed is out of the subject but such a good example to demonstrate that there is some good wave kites suitables for beginners.....
Fair suck Tony.
Wheres the bandwagon. You have a post running on the front page on an ordinary everyday 'wave' kite for over 6 mths without anyone from any bandwagon jumping on that "bandwagon" slagging it in any way.
Here we have an anonymous but super experienced and knowledgable poster - of 7 posts - telling us anyone whose opinion is different to his is not only perhaps wrong but also an outright 'liar'. WTF
But wait ... Then he claims that the BWS Noise is "anything but a beginner kite cos its for 'waves' but then claims another kite for 'waves' is just ever so smoochy for newbs.
Sounds a bit suss to me.
Dont you guys think kiters know where anonymous posters - esp those who slag one brand or pimp another - come from. They are not ALL stupid you know.
Keep it honest
Yet to see them perform only in the vids ,they might be good for perfect down the line wave riding , how many of us get those conditions. Alot of backers out there , so many better kites !
Go back to my original post on this phil, i enjoyed the kite but have a single concern, it then became ****fight, i don't like being backed into a corner, i'm not a liar, i do have an opinion though and if people don't like it fine.
Just in case, i work for Kiteboarding perth as an instructor, i have a long running deal with Hold the line kites, AT THE MOMENT i choose to fly rebels and reo's because they are " IMO " the best kites on the market for ME. I had to buy these kites, i "DO NOT" WORK FOR ANY OTHER SHOP, i have got a lot of respect for Darren Marshall , he's forgotten what most people out there think they know 
time to go to work now, enjoy
Geta grip Tony, Its clear to see, you want to be a high flyer, earn some poins first
I did not say this other kite wasn't suitable for beginner because it is a "wave" kite... but because it is designed for advanced wave riders.... The other one I mentionned is just an example of a beginner kite which perform well in waves too, as there is a lot of them on the market.
Let's be honest with the newbies, plenty of good kite to begin with that could also get them in waves.
If a newb come to you saying after his lessons he "thinks" he's gonna be freestyle oriented are you gonna sell him a Fuel or a Torch? I don't think so..... Same for the waves guys. All the schools claim that kitesurfing is about 80% of kite control, so even if this guy has a solid surfing background do you really is gonna be a wave killer straight away?
We are not in 2005 anymore, plenty of choice on the market to get safely started with... This kite is just not one of them.
>>> Walks
I wasnt picking on you mate - just picked up on your "bandwagon" word in relation to the anonymous expert of 7 posts.
And - yep mistakenly used the words 'you have a post running....' Should have said 'we' as in we here at SB. Wasnt meant you direct.
>>> jodic
where does it say BWS NOISE is for 'advanced' wave riders - it doesnt.
I agree the fact that there are heaps of great kites out there. For eg. Newbs & olds alike should have a crack on the V4 Kahoona - awesome all-rounder (demos around this week) But the question was:
Will the BWS Noise suit me as a beginner.
The answer is most definitely YES - anyone who says otherwise is a liar 
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Some of the surf specific characteristics of the BWS NOISE are:
- it goes where you want it to - when you want it to. ie direct & responsive
- it stays where you put if thats what you want it to do. ie stable
- its not too fast - in waves most dont want a kite that acts like a mosquito
- its not too slow - when you want it to move it moves - quick.
- medium bar presssure - ie excellent feel for kite position through the bar
- it relaunches with ease (just like 100 other kites today)
- it has one of the cleanest and most simple bars on the market.
ALL these (and more) are what makes it work in waves - advanced or otherwise.
ALL of these are also exactly the sort of attributes that make the BWS NOISE a GREAT beginner kite.
And if u weren't a grey ghost in the clouds Id be warning you about referring to people as "liars". Some of us take that as a very offensive and serious charge.
YO AIDSBIN HAVE YOU BOUGHT A F****N KITE YET.
DISCLAIMER. THIS IS MEANT AS A JOKE AND NO BITCHY COMMENTS WILL NE REPLIED TO
^^^^^Yep. Spot on. After talking personally to Ben and Ryland face to face, those in the Know it is not an Octane, is is a redesigned Rev (3), without the issues of bridle wear, as the front pully is not there etc. He wants to ultimately do waves and a switchblade is not a good choice, the old 7m Crossbow was ok, but you had to he subtle on the bar when redirecting it in side-on conditions. The BWS can jump quite well, and is not an advanced wave kite, it is designed for ease of use in the waves. In its wind range it relaunches perfectly. As Puppet said, a kahoona will relaunch slightly better as they relaunch in any wind given the more delta shape, not wonder it is the worlds biggest selling kite. Id say the RPM, REO, or drifter is more for advanced wave riders who dont drop their kites in the surf, for price point a Kahoona or BWS is perfect to learn and progress on. Just my 1 cent.
Disclaimer: I used to work for Woodys, but go to all demo days, I have 3 different brands of kite that work well for me in different conditions.
OOps, not you Eppo
Are yes, used to work for woody's, and choicey, last i heard you were buying the shop, what happened 
Yes I did, Phill got the nod after a lot of interest from industry and so he should, please PM me if you have any issues, Spreader Smith, a guy who cant put his reputation where his internet mouth is, and is not constructive to the sport/hobby, Ive read your posts, protragonist???? I was going to go into partnership with Greuzi, enough said. Slander and defamation is contrary to the seabreeze forum rules. He who has the most fun, wins.
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-------Puppet
Mate, I still disagree with you, but sorry about the "liar" I should have chosen another one....no offense mate!
I saw a guy teaching at pt walter a few weeks ago with a BWS and honestly it was a bit of a struggle for the student to manage the power on that one. Relaunch was ok but not smooth at all, probably good in wave I agree on that...
The bar is clean and simple as you mentioned but like you said, a kite like the Kahoona is way better for a newb so why don't you advice that one instead of being stubborn about the BWS. It's gonna take at least 6 month (and probably much more) of practice to this guy before he can tell what he wants from a wave kite so why not giving him a fair advice?
some people have no idea what they are talking about- the noise would be a great kite for a beginner or rider of any level. most kites these days are user friendly and are very safe, the noise included. he didnt ask whats the best kite for learning just if it would be a good kite and considering he wants to ride waves you cant go wrong , especially for the price of a 1 year old kite you can pick up a brand new Noise.
