Select to expand quotePuetz said..Kamikuza said..
I don't think my fat ass could jump form 17 to 10 - how are you doing it?!?
Only have a quiver like I do cos I had too much free time in my old job... 21, 19, 17.5, 16, 15, 13, 12, 10, 7... I could ditch 2 of those easy though :D
... out of interest Kamikuza, what do you (or did you do) for work, just wondering is all??
I agree, 17m to 10m is a fair old jump for the heavier gent, but then again we are talking about the Zephyr with its very good top end. Not all 17's are created equal.
From what I felt, the Zephyr would have the top end of say, a 14m Rebel and I could hold down the 14m in roughly 22 to 25 knots with comfort with short burst to 30 knots easy enough, possibly more dunno as I don't like to stress my kites that much. Going to a 10m is do-able but going from all that steady power to a kite that would dart like a wasp on red cordial, completely differnt kiting style is needed.
Cool as,
Robbie 
Hey Peutz, is that cause the zeph is in actual fact only a 14m?
Would be nice to see the zeph over an edge or on a 14 switchie or the switchie over the dyno
I guess this just happens when they put the math guy in charge of the marketing dept or the marketing guy in charge of the math dept? Or maybe a lady is running the dept at ozone because she know's that size doesn't matter!
new zephyr looks smaller in the air than the last one...
moves around a hell of a lot quicker
pulls about the same, maybe better because it moves quicker
jumps better, maybe '??ause it moves quicker
Select to expand quotehigh as a kite said..
as i dont like to stress my kites that much.
Robbie
Your dreamin Puetz!
Maybe the Zephyr 19 will be a 17.. I was surprised that it looked that small against the North Dyno
That's my zephyr over Puetz's kite.
The photo angle does make the size difference look more pronounced - there was a bit of difference but it is exaggerated somewhat by the photo.
And which in reality is the true 17 by measurement anyway ? Different profiles and designs to do different things . Both great kites
Select to expand quoteT one said..high as a kite said..
as i dont like to stress my kites that much.
Robbie
Your dreamin Puetz!
... geeez, bend a mates 7m once and he'll never let you forget it!!! 
Select to expand quoteeddiemorgs said..
That's my zephyr over Puetz's kite.
The photo angle does make the size difference look more pronounced - there was a bit of difference but it is exaggerated somewhat by the photo.
And which in reality is the true 17 by measurement anyway ? Different profiles and designs to do different things . Both great kites
... not that the Zeph is small, its just that the Dyno is a generous sized 17 (much like the owner), probably more like 18m! 
just bought an ozone Zypher 17 and was now considering a 11 or 13 edge.
Was wondering was the consensus on the zypher to be a smaller 17 in comparison to the edges. Would the 13 be a true 4 meters smaller or would the gap be less in this case. If so the 11m edge to the 17m zypher actual demensions might not be the full 6 meter gap and the 11m and 17m might suit my wind requirement overlap.
Any thoughts or is the edge a little bit more wind efficient?
11 would be a good gap the zephyr has quite a large range. could comfortably go to 11 even 10
too much overlap with a 17 & 13. You know the zeph will take you to 20knots.You'd be busting out the 11m edge at like 18 knots (75kg rider on tt)
I agree with the above statement regarding too much overlap. I live in Perth, current weight is 75Kg and I use the following:
2013 17m Ozone Zephyr - 10 to 20 knots (145x44 light wind TT for 10-14 knots, 132x41 TT for 15 knots plus)
2013 8m Airush Lithium - 18 to 28 knots (132x41 TT)
Another guy at my local weights a bit more than me (say 10kg) and only uses the Zephyr and a 9M kite for roughly the same wind ranges.
Select to expand quoteBig eeeZeee said..
too much overlap with a 17 & 13. You know the zeph will take you to 20knots.You'd be busting out the 11m edge at like 18 knots (75kg rider on tt)
+1 for the 11m edge in 18knots (using 27m lines). Then throw on some 2m extensions if you wanting a little extra
For little value as it has been stated, zephyr / 11m for sure. You would find the 13 bottom end due to its efficiency would be comparable to the zephyrs.
Eppo - is that really true regarding the bottom end of a 13 Edge vs a Zephyr? I have a 13m 2013 Edge (100kg) and have been thinking of getting a Zephyr for lighter winds (13m Edge is good for about 15-25 knots for me). Should I rethink in terms of light wind kites? Already have a light wind board. I could always get a 19m Edge, but was thinking Zephyr would be more fun in terms of throwing it round a bit.
I enjoy the 13m Edge for jumps and speed, but am starting to get into loops and 13m Edge is not really built for that.
Yeh man. Let me put it this way, when I got the zephyr my bro was out a hell of a lot of time on his 11m edge on a 136 by 41, and I'd either be on my 135 by 41 and even my light wind TT 145 by 44.
Sure I was a little more powered and if it really dropped to say 11/12 then he'd struggle and I'd be okay on the light wind TT and the zephyr. And he weighed more than me about 5kg or more back then.
But I was still naffing about a bit. Then again I hold the same kites as guys I ride with who are 85kg and I like to be powered (me at 75).
But my bro has a zephyr now and we charge it when others are putting up 12s and are nicely powered. It has a remarkable top end and yeh it's a lot more stable and forgiving when trying stupid stuff, especially in the lighter winds.
Great wing hey...if only they would make smaller versions...oops I did it again...
The 13m edge is a remarkable kite as well though.
Do what I did, just picked up a dyno 2011 16m...now I will be lit of my ass in 15....bahahahahahah, not looking forward to the pumping routine though!!
Used my new Zepha for two mornings at Kitestock "Mat" i love this kite on my S/B IT turn well / great steady power and so easy to use Well money spent Thanks guys for this forum (76klg on 5ft 8 " BY 17" WIDE 2.1KLG CUSTOM S/B)
Select to expand quoteBig eeeZeee said..
too much overlap with a 17 & 13. You know the zeph will take you to 20knots.You'd be busting out the 11m edge at like 18 knots (75kg rider on tt)
agreed, ive had the zeph, 10 and 7 edge combo, no need for a kite inbetween the zeph and 10, but if you've a mixed brand quiver it might be necessarry
I have a 11m 2012 vector and a 8m 2012 park, looking to trade in the vector for a park 10m 2013 and then get a 17m 2013 zephyr.
I weight around 80-85kg and have a 132-41 TT and will look to get a larger for light winds... does it sound like a good idea?
Was wondering if it would be a worth while purchase to buy 5m extensions for my 2012 zepher 17.
Would it increase the bottom end wind range? and buy how much? or would it be very little difference.
Comments from anyone having used longer lines and if it is worth while.
when my 16 meter NRG 2013 using 23 meter lines is not pulling any more I add the 7 meter extension. I can tell you it make a positive difference. I also use the 7 meter extension on my other bar and kites when I don't want to pump another kite when the winds drops. Yes it does affect the turning speed. cheers
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Bloody good idea, good quiver spread there.
WIKID! i just went and did it :)
can anyone tell me what kind of pump connection i need?
The larger shorter one dangling on every pump. You just stab or slightly screw (sort of just twist slightly but it does not lock in place anyway) into the wide valve after you took the cap off. Make sure it is all sand-free as it might otherwise leak. And don't twist the large valve too much/tight before pumping to avoid you damage the bladder. Tighten both valve and cap once pumped up (not too soft)
Yeh correct...check the seal, even take it off to make sure there is no sand on the bottom side of the seal, even a small grain...brush it off.
After tightening a little bit, turn the entire valve forward and back and listen for any leaks..if so just tighten a little more, but as said don't over do it!!
(Found this out from forum users here, thanks).
Enjoy, awesome kite.
Select to expand quoteRussKraut said..
The larger shorter one dangling on every pump. You just stab or slightly screw (sort of just twist slightly but it does not lock in place anyway) into the wide valve after you took the cap off. Make sure it is all sand-free as it might otherwise leak. And don't twist the large valve too much/tight before pumping to avoid you damage the bladder. Tighten both valve and cap once pumped up (not too soft)Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Yeh correct...check the seal, even take it off to make sure there is no sand on the bottom side of the seal, even a small grain...brush it off.
After tightening a little bit, turn the entire valve forward and back and listen for any leaks..if so just tighten a little more, but as said don't over do it!!
(Found this out from forum users here, thanks).
Enjoy, awesome kite.
awesome... see yas out there !
Just thinking last night ... I am probably going to be out on my own when flying this beast. Any tips for self landing or should I just a unhook and walk up wind and then pull top middle line?
I usually land just by steering the leading edge down when the kite is say 2m from the ground on the edge of the wind window. As I fly it in light winds that works well. Then I pull the line closest to me so the kite turns out of the wind in the proper parking position. Unhooking (make sure you are not in suicide mode though) and grabbing the upper middle line while quickly walking upwind and near the ground also works. Should you ride it in higher winds just use a tether, subject to your beach offering a post or so
I am still debating whether I should get the Zephyr or the Chrono 15m (I also land-kite).
It seems so far the Chrono is way more powerful and faster, but not as forgiving as the Zephyr, especially for intermediate riders like myself. I weigh around 78kg. Just not enough people with Chronos at the moment to give a comparison or an in-depth review.
Kazan there is some excellent discussion and reviews going on the KF at the moment. I think the review by T one(he has ridden FS foils since day dot and thought his review was really balanced) and by Okinawa kiter may help in formulating a decision.
kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2384063&start=130 (start at page 14).
Problem is you'd have to be a very forgiving retailer to stock this kite as a demo kite...it's an expensive piece and relatively fragile (relatively) to have crew doing what they can do to demo kites.
I'd love to try one...
