Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
I don't think my fat ass could jump form 17 to 10 - how are you doing it?!?
Only have a quiver like I do cos I had too much free time in my old job... 21, 19, 17.5, 16, 15, 13, 12, 10, 7... I could ditch 2 of those easy though :D
Ah yes with any other kite than the edge i would agree. But the edge has such an incredible wind range cauncy can do this. Plus hes an animal and will hold his zephyr probably until his teeth chattered...
He also has the speedball, rather change a board than a kite size...
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
I don't think my fat ass could jump form 17 to 10 - how are you doing it?!?
Only have a quiver like I do cos I had too much free time in my old job... 21, 19, 17.5, 16, 15, 13, 12, 10, 7... I could ditch 2 of those easy though :D
... out of interest Kamikuza, what do you (or did you do) for work, just wondering is all??
I agree, 17m to 10m is a fair old jump for the heavier gent, but then again we are talking about the Zephyr with its very good top end. Not all 17's are created equal.
From what I felt, the Zephyr would have the top end of say, a 14m Rebel and I could hold down the 14m in roughly 22 to 25 knots with comfort with short burst to 30 knots easy enough, possibly more dunno as I don't like to stress my kites that much. Going to a 10m is do-able but going from all that steady power to a kite that would dart like a wasp on red cordial, completely differnt kiting style is needed.
Cool as,
Robbie 
110 pies here......love my new quiver of 2013 kites........9, 11 & 13 Edges & Zephyr!
I probably could jump from the 11 to the Zephyr........but I like the 13 too 
Switch up boards all the time, depending on conditions......Shinn Monk Forever, Dundee, Speedball W18.
Wish my bloody Mako King would hurry up and get here
Well if you can afford it why not! I'm jumping from a zephyr to an 11m Dice now, and no probs at all. yeh the 13m edge is a sweet as kite hey.
my quiver is dependant on how i like to ride, and the model of kite is allowing me to achieve this , the zephyr gets ridden in the 14 to low 20s, it can be riddden below and above but this is the range i like and love, then the 10 edge up to high 20s, then the edge 7 to low 40s, for me and where i live this is perfect, ive had big quivers until last year but can honestly say i wouldnt change my current set up, i change my bar settings on the steering lines to fine tune prior or during a session depending on conditions,
Well I guess that's why they bring out multiple sizes. Everyone selects the kites that suit their wallet, wind conditions, pie level and riding style. Then mix it up with board combos for extra grin factor.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Well if you can afford it why not! I'm jumping from a zephyr to an 11m Dice now, and no probs at all. yeh the 13m edge is a sweet as kite hey.
whats the range of your 11 dice eppo? similar to 10m edge?
Dear god know, what does have the range of the edge?
15 knots I'm on a light wind TT (Similar to yours) to be sure (but Id rather be on the zephyr in that). Have had it out in 20 to 25 no probs, but I got hit by a 30 knots plus gust (my 85kg mate was getting lifted out of the water on a 9m dice (bloody massive gusts this week
) and for the first time in a long time I thought I was farqed.
Didn't help I had just topped over a big wave had no edge and got sht face slammed and left the board behind with head high and above waves coming in...let's say i drank my fair share of salt water...lol. Bro had is board edge dug in as it hit on the same kite and just kept it low with the board in front of him and did fine...then again hes come of 11m edges, this is a walk in the park...
So really good bottom end, but when it says 28 tops for the 11...it is 28, no more.
But yeh similar to the 10m edge for its useable sweet spot for sure. And way more static grunt in the currents and swell.
I've never used the 7 and only once thought "Hmm, maybe I should have something smaller than the 10 today" :( mostly I use the 17.5 now I have it - it's so much better than the 16 XB IMHO - and the 13m XB. A couple of times a year I get out on the 10m...
I reckon the gaps from 17 to 10 are sweet... I just change boards when it get hairy...
I use my Zephyr 17 from 10 -20 knots
Rebel 10 from 15 - 25 knots
Rebel 7 from 25 plus
As Eppo has said changing boards makes a hell of a difference. I can be out on my Firewire which is pretty wide and thick on a 10 metre in 15 knots. But I will change down a board size when it gets above 20 knots. Its about the control. I couldn't be buggered blowing up all of those kites... Light winds Zephyr anything else Rebel...
I would love to get a 2013/2014 Zephyr I rode one at a demo and they are very good... But my old 2012 is hanging in....
Al
you must have puissant winds kamikuza. in saying that I have used my 8 and 6 for a while. Mind you there has been half a doz time this year its been too windy for the 6m!....
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Ah yes with any other kite than the edge i would agree. But the edge has such an incredible wind range cauncy can do this. Plus hes an animal and will hold his zephyr probably until his teeth chattered...
He also has the speedball, rather change a board than a kite size...
I change boards too, but I'd rather hit the sweet spot - I *could* hold the 17 down until the 10 could be ridden, but I'd be having way more fun on the 13. Or be underpowered on the 10.
Select to expand quotePuetz said..
... out of interest Kamikuza, what do you (or did you do) for work, just wondering is all??
I agree, 17m to 10m is a fair old jump for the heavier gent, but then again we are talking about the Zephyr with its very good top end. Not all 17's are created equal.
From what I felt, the Zephyr would have the top end of say, a 14m Rebel and I could hold down the 14m in roughly 22 to 25 knots with comfort with short burst to 30 knots easy enough, possibly more dunno as I don't like to stress my kites that much. Going to a 10m is do-able but going from all that steady power to a kite that would dart like a wasp on red cordial, completely differnt kiting style is needed.
Cool as,
Robbie
Was an English teacher, so spent a lot of time trolling the forums... "Oh look, that's a good price - let's buy it!!!"
The 16/17m I hold on to till about 20 knots, then it stops being fun cos they just don't boost as high as the 13 will. 20-25 is the super-sweet spot for the 13, then over that, it becomes less fun although I can stick with it till 30 in gusts. 10 gets ridden from 25+...
This is on TTs by the way - 170x50 is my big board, 138x42 was my small board...
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
you must have puissant winds kamikuza. in saying that I have used my 8 and 6 for a while. Mind you there has been half a doz time this year its been too windy for the 6m!....
- and I'm heavy. And the lake is choppy as a bastard - in Thailand, the dead flat water gave me another 3 or 4 knots on the bottom end, I guess.
Here are my sweet spots*
10-15knots, Speed3 21
15-20knots, Flite 17.5 / Speed3 15
20-25knots, 2011 XB13 / Speed3 15/12
25-??knots, 2011 XB10 / Speed3 12
IMHO there's no point hanging on to a kite way over it's wind range, as it starts getting well out of it's design envelope and stars misbehaving in a dangerous way eg. XB16 - Cab says 6 to 16knots, I can ride it to 26 but it starts twitching.
* for the TTs. The boards I have most experience with are Flydoor3 170x50 and my now-lost Flyradical3 138x42. I'd ride the 'door down the bottom end but as soon as I could easily go upwind, I'd swtich to the Flyradical and that'd give me another 5 knots for gusts, I reckon.
Now I've replaced the Flyradical with an 2014 Aboards Z-series 140x43 (don't like it, tips are too narrow for my taste - it's for sale, btw) and just got an Ocean Rodeo Origin 142x47, which looks like it'll do the job. If it doesn't - I'm going to get a Flyradical4 XL 
sucks not being able to demo gear...
Got a Dialer too... still getting used to it. Bottom end isn't much more than the Flydoor, but it's more fun to ride. I need better kites for it though!
my sweetspots for my edges
7m 25+ on sector or tt
11m 18-25 raceboard/sector
15m 10-20 knots raceboard
100kegs
I'm with you happyg, at 80 liters of shiraz, my zephyr, 7 and 10m rebel seems to have it covered. Am thinking I need a 5 as well for when it's nuking. Might get a neo I think as Kim will be flogging them cheap now he has a shop full of Dices!
Select to expand quoteDave Whettingsteel said..
I'm with you happyg, at 80 liters of shiraz, my zephyr, 7 and 10m rebel seems to have it covered. Am thinking I need a 5 as well for when it's nuking. Might get a neo I think as Kim will be flogging them cheap now he has a shop full of Dices!
Hey dave what does kim think of the dices you asked him?? Compared to his beloved Neos?
Might work for you little uns...
Same thing with the Flysurfers - "Aw, all you need is a 21 and a 12"... maybe, but if you're heavy and you need the truck-pulling bottom end, you gotta have a 15 too.
But it's MHO that the S3 15 is the best of them all... like the XB13 :D
Yeh good point actually, agreed bigger guys would need closer kite sizes. But I know cauncy is in the high eighties, not 100kg though I suppose. Depends on what type of wind I suppose as well.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Kamikuza said..
I don't think my fat ass could jump form 17 to 10 - how are you doing it?!?
Only have a quiver like I do cos I had too much free time in my old job... 21, 19, 17.5, 16, 15, 13, 12, 10, 7... I could ditch 2 of those easy though :D
Ah yes with any other kite than the edge i would agree. But the edge has such an incredible wind range cauncy can do this. Plus hes an animal and will hold his zephyr probably until his teeth chattered...
He also has the speedball, rather change a board than a kite size...
chattering teeth, split my back 2 molars last month,$800 after hbf rebate, f......g exspensive sport kiting
Held my 13 edge till is was jelly fishing like a .... jellyfish. I thought it was going flat it was jellyfishing that much. Turned out I was just well above its wind range. gusting past 30 knots. A little bit silly. But man did I do some floaty jumps.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Dave Whettingsteel said..
I'm with you happyg, at 80 liters of shiraz, my zephyr, 7 and 10m rebel seems to have it covered. Am thinking I need a 5 as well for when it's nuking. Might get a neo I think as Kim will be flogging them cheap now he has a shop full of Dices!
Hey dave what does kim think of the dices you asked him?? Compared to his beloved Neos?
I think he said "load of rubbish, all marketing hype, only someone like Eppo would buy them". Haha, just joking, haven't actually seen him for a few weeks. My nephew matt988 bought a park from Kim, Kim offered him the dice, but at $800 or so more he couldn't justify it.
Cool. Well I will be up your way December so you can find out if its marketing hype...lol. Had two sessions today, getting dialled in now.
Looking forward to it Eppo! Hopefully the sea breeze and warm days will have arrived by then...
Give it about two weeks I reckon....you lucky bastards. I was searching for a kite that flew in the same place within the wind window as the zephyr. I asked ozone, through steve who asked rob in Mauritius (ta Steve) if they had any plans to down size the zephyr. Rob said it was not feasible to do this, which is fair enough can't argue with such an awesome designer.
So then you have the cat or the edge. Neither full-filled that need. Had to change. Shame, but heck my three fav brands are ozone, airush or north, not fussed really which one I'm on. No significant change going from the zeph to the dice which is great. Plus my high aspect days chasing 30-40 foot airs is over, gotta listen to my aging body...
but anyhow who gives a flying fck at the moment what kite you are on, what's the best, bla bla bla, someone died yesterday and that's all i can think about. Well I am thinking about how petty we can be on here anyhow, me included, considering how insignificant it all really is.
not one to post on forums much but , have had the zephyr now for a month or so and have tested it out a bit from a larger dude point of view .
at 106 pies im riding easily in 13 to 14 knots ( pilbara knots ) and holding it down easily up to around 27 knots (kites not deforming at all and still boosts and loops nicely )..
put simply what a F**king kite !!! think ill just about be able to cut down to a 2 kite quiver at this rate , the 17 and my 8 ....
had 4 sessions on the zephyr now....its just a fantastic kite !
For me at 81 pies on a standard tt i can get mowing around the 10 knot mark...start jumping and blasting in 12-14 knots.....thing is last night i stayed on it rather than chop to me 13m edge....i COULDN'T believe i was hanging onto a so called light winder ...i'd estimate the gusts were 18-19 knots and the zephyr was just flying ...no depower pulled , nice and nimble to turn , jumps were great considering the kites DNA...loved it !
really really very very happy i plumped for ozones ..
Stoked for ya pgh it is a remarkable wing. Last session in exmouth 15 knots steady as she blows on the shortest knot. Awesome ramps and out back riding down the line just a great way to top off such an awesome trip. Another zephyr was oit ther as well sharing the stoke A wakesyle rider had a go durin the trip and really rated it as well for his unhooked magic.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Puetz said..
... out of interest Kamikuza, what do you (or did you do) for work, just wondering is all??
Cool as,
Robbie
Was an English teacher, so spent a lot of time trolling the forums... "Oh look, that's a good price - let's buy it!!!"
The 16/17m I hold on to till about 20 knots, then it stops being fun cos they just don't boost as high as the 13 will. 20-25 is the super-sweet spot for the 13, then over that, it becomes less fun although I can stick with it till 30 in gusts. 10 gets ridden from 25+...
This is on TTs by the way - 170x50 is my big board, 138x42 was my small board...
... ah cool as, was just wondering, cheers!
