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2013 Ozone Catalyst - Plug and Play Perfection

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Created by djdojo > 9 months ago, 21 Jan 2013
cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
26 Feb 2013 2:19PM
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eppo said...
Cauncy what would be the overlap of your 9m edge and the 8m cat...2013.??

Prediction anyhow by the rides you have had? Not balls to the walls stuff..but exciting enough to have you on your game...for me the 9m in say 25/26 knots.


Yeh, great wind strength for the 9 edges, but at my weight id like it to be 30 before I had a similar powered ride on the cat 8, very different ride to tedges though, I found you need to put a lot more into flying it than the edges, usually takes me 15mins to adjust after changing, especially the redirection, I've found you need to change you're riding style , its a kite that needs both hands on the bar, whereas the edges imo are a kite that can be flown effortlessly with one hand90% of the time

26 Feb 2013 11:59PM
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djdojo said...
eppo said...
Jason westoz, 8-11 knots, cat 14m on crazy fly skim crankin.

Eppo same deal, planning but heading down wind...whats the difference...hint its not the board or kite!

Rode the C4 15m at same time. Again same result as above...lol

C4 and cat similar power, C4 better to unhook. For everything else the cat.

Has suprised the living Sh1t out of me. On an inefficient large TT, the cat was keeping up with a 17m edge, not quite but close. Of course put a race board under the edge and it will smash the cat and most kites.

Jason loves the C4, unhooking. Me the cat is quicker and gives you more power on the upstroke as well...kind of like the edge. With power it wanted to boost even in those light winds with power on the upstroke...can only imagine what it can do in its actual sweet spot. Robyn down there flies both, he is finding the cats are getting close to his edges in the boost department and glide...I'm skeptical of this but open minded. He seems a very genuine person and ta fopr letting me use your kites man...and jason fro the C4 and yeh and the dude for the skim board....was freeloading city...beers distributed.

Very, very suprised by its bottom end and its ability to generate apparent wind...nothing like the edge but some similarities that are not present in the C4...as per design.



Yep, now you're getting it, and it's a message that deserves spreading - an all-round kite doesn't have to mean a crap kite or a beginners-only kite. With Rob Whittall designing and testing it, it can mean a kite that really is very good at many things. In this case - shades of Edge, C4, and REO blended seamlessly.



The Cat 2013 is Robbies favourite in the 2013 range, and Robbie rips. Its my favourite too with the Reo a close 2nd, but I don't rip much haha!

Mickds
WA, 16 posts
28 Feb 2013 8:22AM
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Hi there I'm a Newbe (on 2nd lesson) and looking at what gear to buy.

I've used cats in my lessons and am considering ether a cat or a north rebel.
I'm leaning more towards the rebel after reading a lot of reviews. It seems the rebel has a better build quality, safety with 5th line and also seems like all round more bang for my buck (although it costs more bucks!!)

Does anybody have any views on this decision??

geloof68
54 posts
28 Feb 2013 8:32AM
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Mickds said...
It seems the rebel has a better build quality, safety with 5th line and also seems like all round more bang for my buck (although it costs more bucks!!)

Does anybody have any views on this decision??

Please take into account that the North bar isn't everybody's favorite bar. For example changing the depower rope within one year is not a sign of tough built quality.

Mickds
WA, 16 posts
28 Feb 2013 8:44AM
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geloof68 said...
Mickds said...
It seems the rebel has a better build quality, safety with 5th line and also seems like all round more bang for my buck (although it costs more bucks!!)

Does anybody have any views on this decision??

Please take into account that the North bar isn't everybody's favorite bar. For example changing the depower rope within one year is not a sign of tough built quality.



Ok this is something I've not come across before, is it due to wear as it passes through the bar?
I have seen on one of the YouTube reviews that the new bar has a sacrificial plastic insert to bear the brunt of the lines rubbing and can be easily popped out n changed?

Are we talking about the same thing here or am I talking nonsense?

Apologies I'm extremely green to everything here.

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
28 Feb 2013 12:14PM
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Hi Mick,

Welcome to your new addiction, and to the world in which your ability to discriminate hype from truth will be at a premium. I'll offer my 2c.

Build quality doesn't get any better than Ozone. They're a paraglider company too so they know a lot about precision design and manufacture and quality materials.

The Catalyst is elegance on 4 lines - not sure why you'd look further for a perfect kite for beginning and progressing.

Obviously rebels work - I don't want to diss them gratuitously - but seriously, what's going on with your design when you need battens in addition to 5 struts to keep your kite stable? And the rear line bungees? Seems like a lot of inelegant gizmos to me.

As for 5th line vs flagging to a single front line - each side has its adherents. Personally I prefer the simplicity of 4 lines and the reassurance that I wont wrap my kite if it rolls through its lines.

There are some recent threads such as this one -www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/Ozone-C4-2012-North-Vegas-2012-OR/ - in which various (experienced) riders have reported their extreme frustration with the North depower rope replacement fiasco.

I've used a lot of kites over the years and the 2013 Catalyst is the most elegantly simple, versatile and fun kite yet. Have a close look at all the kites on your list, check out the stitching, the panel layouts, the reinforcing, the grading of materials for strength/weight and let me know if anything comes close to Ozone.

Then fly them, and I have confidence your decision will become clear.

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
28 Feb 2013 12:20PM
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Mickds said...
Hi there I'm a Newbe (on 2nd lesson) and looking at what gear to buy.

I've used cats in my lessons and am considering ether a cat or a north rebel.
I'm leaning more towards the rebel after reading a lot of reviews. It seems the rebel has a better build quality, safety with 5th line and also seems like all round more bang for my buck (although it costs more bucks!!)

Does anybody have any views on this decision??




I flew 2012 rebels. Now on ozone kite. Better build quality, no this is incorrect. A more robust build maybe, but that means weight in the end. In my opinion over engineered - read details above. 5th line for beginners I wouldn't advise this. Keep it simple.

Also the rebel is NOT an all round kite. Try and unhook this and loop it...it will eat your ass for breakfast.

It is an exceptional hooked in freeride kite (like the edge), not bad in the surf, but not great (some highly rate it in the surf but I wonder if they have been on a specific wave kite before, but it will do the job for many). It is a great boosting kite, great smooth direct feel with a lot of power under the hood.

The cat is a far better all round kite if that is what you are after.

The north bar depower and mini fifth line wear is a factual reality.

Mickds
WA, 16 posts
2 Mar 2013 12:47PM
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Hi all, just an update as I went shopping yesterday!

After all my research & discussions I was decided on ether a 13 model cat or a 13 model rebel..
I ended up with nether! They only had 12model cats in stock in 12m so that was out so I surrendered myself to the best judgement of the guys IN AKS (apologies for the million questions yesterday lads! Thanks a million for your time & help)
I came out with a 13 model north evo 12m, 5line north bar, a north x ride (139/41.5) and ion apex select waist harness. (the most comfy would have to be the most expensive I the shop!!)

Can't wait to get out and use them now...

Anybody got any views on the gear I got??

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WA, 1255 posts
2 Mar 2013 1:24PM
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Mickds said...
Hi all, just an update as I went shopping yesterday!

After all my research & discussions I was decided on ether a 13 model cat or a 13 model rebel..
I ended up with nether! They only had 12model cats in stock in 12m so that was out so I surrendered myself to the best judgement of the guys IN AKS (apologies for the million questions yesterday lads! Thanks a million for your time & help)
I came out with a 13 model north evo 12m, 5line north bar, a north x ride (139/41.5) and apex ion waist harness.

Can't wait to get out and use them now...

Anybody got any views on the gear I got??


New gear!
No particular views on it, but sounds good. Can you use a 4 line on an evo?.. Might be 12 weather this arvy

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
2 Mar 2013 2:05PM
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Mickds said...
Hi all, just an update as I went shopping yesterday!

After all my research & discussions I was decided on ether a 13 model cat or a 13 model rebel..
I ended up with nether! They only had 12model cats in stock in 12m so that was out so I surrendered myself to the best judgement of the guys IN AKS (apologies for the million questions yesterday lads! Thanks a million for your time & help)
I came out with a 13 model north evo 12m, 5line north bar, a north x ride (139/41.5) and ion apex select waist harness. (the most comfy would have to be the most expensive I the shop!!)

Can't wait to get out and use them now...

Anybody got any views on the gear I got??





Mick, the evo is a mighty fine kite and falls into the all round category. Also has a great bottom end, works in the surf and loops really well. Also is a decent booster.

Evo can be ridden 4 line can't it, the fifth isn't loaded on the evo (can't remember not dialled into the north range anymore). Board will be great in the metro slop for free riding.

Was decent advice, enjoy your new adventure.

Mickds
WA, 16 posts
2 Mar 2013 2:41PM
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eppo said...
Mickds said...
Hi all, just an update as I went shopping yesterday!

After all my research & discussions I was decided on ether a 13 model cat or a 13 model rebel..
I ended up with nether! They only had 12model cats in stock in 12m so that was out so I surrendered myself to the best judgement of the guys IN AKS (apologies for the million questions yesterday lads! Thanks a million for your time & help)
I came out with a 13 model north evo 12m, 5line north bar, a north x ride (139/41.5) and ion apex select waist harness. (the most comfy would have to be the most expensive I the shop!!)

Can't wait to get out and use them now...

Anybody got any views on the gear I got??





Mick, the evo is a mighty fine kite and falls into the all round category. Also has a great bottom end, works in the surf and loops really well. Also is a decent booster.

Evo can be ridden 4 line can't it, the fifth isn't loaded on the evo (can't remember not dialled into the north range anymore). Board will be great in the metro slop for free riding.

Was decent advice, enjoy your new adventure.


Thanks for the reassurance eppo.. I'll try get as much practice in as possible. We'll as much as I can squeeze into my fifo roster!!

Yeah the fifth is an optional safety depending on the bar. If you're using a 4line bar, and the fifth line attached to the leading edge folds neatly into a Velcro pouch on the leading edge.

I got the 5line bar as per ad I've for the safety aspect.

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
2 Mar 2013 6:44PM
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Want my opinion? Leave the 5th at home! Might be useful if **** hits the fan and ya gotta completely kill the kite sure. But you shouldn't be going out in insane conditions early on anyway.

But potential for a kite wrap when you are dropping it in the water increases. Watched my brother go through this on a rebel. Me, no probs, but been at a while.

Plenty of 4 line kites that work just fine for safety. Just my opinion, but again leave it at home.

Good luck mate and enjoy!! Quality kite and board.

Ps the other options would have been just as good, but hey you make work whatever you take on.

ste
WA, 524 posts
14 Mar 2013 7:24PM
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Anyone got any more info from experience on the 2013 cat in the different sizes?cheers.

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
14 Mar 2013 9:20PM
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Well ridden now the 14, 12 and 10m. Its funny the first time I rode it was in marginal conditions on the 10 and I thought mmm not much in it.

Then I had the 14m in 10 knots on a skim...I couldn't stay upwind but Jason could, so wasn't the kite. Infact I'd say it almost dropped below that at times. So I thought damn this kite has some bottom end.

Then I had the 12m in reasonable conditions, but on the light side again (seems I couldn't get a break)!! But what it proved that the new cat has some decent bottom end lacking in the previous models. There was enoug wind to see it looped really nicely, turned quick enough. I also flew as hard as i could at it, letting the bar go, trying all i could do drop it and the drift was very apparent. Had had a very light westerly day with swell and currents and I was on my 11m edge on the mako king and the guy with me was on his 10m cat and a north nugget and he weighs like 10kg more than me! And we travelled 500m upwind to get to the break.



What I found so far from these rides what was has been said, it seems to have the old cat, with some C4 and what I loved did develop apparent wind like an edge. A bit of everything.

Now the guy on the 10m cat has come off a 10m REO, keeping his 8m REO for this winter. And he actually prefers it in the waves, giving him some constant pull when needed. Less working of the kite needed. Yet there is more than enough drift, he actually couldn't notice much difference, but I'm sure there is, the REO drifts unbelievably well. Suppose I will find out soon enough.

But that is all I have for now, I have a 14m cat and a 8m cat on order from Westoz so when they arrive and I get a good couple of sessions in the right winds I will feed back what I find.

Oh yeh, got myself one of those 10m edges as well.....oooooyeh!!!

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
15 Mar 2013 2:52AM
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speaking of Ozone bottom end, I have just upgraded my 2012 10m REO to a 2013 10m REO. The difference in bottom end between the two kites is unbelievable. With the older one you wouldnt even consider a twinny if it was sub 18kn, but with the newer REO I can ride my heavy rocker'd Cab Custom in 15kn and hold ground.

Not sure if I'm imagining it but it also seems to jump better???
Really impressed with the latest offering...

Kitegrandad
23 posts
15 Mar 2013 4:13AM
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I'm imagining higher winds in Australia then in my neck of the woods - St Petersburg, Florida where we are considered blessed with anything over 12 MPH. I've been following your threads on the Edge 11 and Catalyst kites to help me decide which kite to buy. I've ridden the 2013 Catalyst 14M demo on 2 occasions and the more I rode it the more I liked it: I've been riding Cab SB's for 3 years currently have 2012 11M and 14M SBs. The Catalyst just feels comfortable especially the bar pressure, turning speed but did not measure the wind range on either occasion. I rode the 11M Edge demo yesterday in 18 to 22MPH and enjoyed the same features - bar pressure lighter and better turning then the Cab's ( Catalyst faster turning) but it seemed like the kite wanted to fly upwind and I was always having to drift back down to stay in a particular area, jumps were great but I feel like it will take more effort and attention riding an Edge over the Catalyst.

For our region we need a kite that will have a good bottom end to handle the variable winds we get ( sometimes 14 and a moment latter 11). The 11M Edge is definitely the choice in our winds because it's so efficient and it accelerates when you move it. The Catalyst feels better to me but I'm concerned it won't have the low end of the SB. At this point I think the best Edge quiver would be the 13M and the new 10M and on the Ctalyst the 14M and the 10m

I'm hoping your tests on the new Edge 10 and the Catlysts will help me in finalizing my choices.

Kitegrandad
23 posts
15 Mar 2013 4:16AM
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Sorry one last comment: I'm about 70kg and 6'2 and a grandfather who likes to ride: along will several other old geezers

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
15 Mar 2013 7:46AM
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surfingboye said...
speaking of Ozone bottom end, I have just upgraded my 2012 10m REO to a 2013 10m REO. The difference in bottom end between the two kites is unbelievable. With the older one you wouldnt even consider a twinny if it was sub 18kn, but with the newer REO I can ride my heavy rocker'd Cab Custom in 15kn and hold ground.

Not sure if I'm imagining it but it also seems to jump better???
Really impressed with the latest offering...






Ta for that I info man I was wondering about the reo changes this year.

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
15 Mar 2013 7:51AM
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Kitegrandad said...
I'm imagining higher winds in Australia then in my neck of the woods - St Petersburg, Florida where we are considered blessed with anything over 12 MPH. I've been following your threads on the Edge 11 and Catalyst kites to help me decide which kite to buy. I've ridden the 2013 Catalyst 14M demo on 2 occasions and the more I rode it the more I liked it: I've been riding Cab SB's for 3 years currently have 2012 11M and 14M SBs. The Catalyst just feels comfortable especially the bar pressure, turning speed but did not measure the wind range on either occasion. I rode the 11M Edge demo yesterday in 18 to 22MPH and enjoyed the same features - bar pressure lighter and better turning then the Cab's ( Catalyst faster turning) but it seemed like the kite wanted to fly upwind and I was always having to drift back down to stay in a particular area, jumps were great but I feel like it will take more effort and attention riding an Edge over the Catalyst.

For our region we need a kite that will have a good bottom end to handle the variable winds we get ( sometimes 14 and a moment latter 11). The 11M Edge is definitely the choice in our winds because it's so efficient and it accelerates when you move it. The Catalyst feels better to me but I'm concerned it won't have the low end of the SB. At this point I think the best Edge quiver would be the 13M and the new 10M and on the Ctalyst the 14M and the 10m

I'm hoping your tests on the new Edge 10 and the Catlysts will help me in finalizing my choices.




What do you weigh and what board are you using. Also can ya give those wind speed in knots for us. Know a fair bit about the capabilities of the 11 edge have rode it in 11 knots on a skim and 25 knot. Also know the bottom end of the cats to so the info asked above wod help. I assume the Florida winds are thermal based like here.

Kitegrandad
23 posts
15 Mar 2013 12:02PM
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My weight is 70kgs, height is 6'2", winds in knots in SW Florida are best from 11k to 25k. We get mostly light winds in the 11 to 18 range and the wind is Front based in the winter and seabreezes late spring and early summer. I'd say my 14 Switchblade gets about 70% of the use and the 11m gets 25% with maybe 5% high winds due to a Tropical Storm or Big winter Strom that drops down into Florida in the winter months.

Kitegrandad
23 posts
15 Mar 2013 12:13PM
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Sorry - I have A Mako King and a 140 as my board quiver. I can make my 14MSB work in 11 knots and have fun in 12 to 13 knots with The King. My favorite winds are 14K to 22K and least favorite over 28K ( usually violent gusts ).

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
15 Mar 2013 12:27PM
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Oooh we can talk then I to have the king and 140. Get back to ya soon in a stupid meeting.

Eaglelad
VIC, 119 posts
15 Mar 2013 4:21PM
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Hey, just got the 8m cat to go with my first kite an 11m swithblade, have only ridden it once but I'm not overly keen on it just yet- mainly because I'm not getting the super effortless surf and drift characteristics out of it yet.. any sort of advanced tips? I didn't think it would be in the same league as the switchblade

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
15 Mar 2013 7:30PM
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^^^ The 2013 8m Cat will trounce the switchy in the surf - especially for drift, turning. Just ride it a bit more, experiment with your timing, and I'm sure you'll work it out.

It's my favourite ever small kite by a mile (and yes, I've ridden 2012 switchies in small and large sizes). My only tip is time on water - the Cat should do everything more simply, more precisely and more quickly than your switchblade.

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
15 Mar 2013 5:15PM
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Eaglelad said...
Hey, just got the 8m cat to go with my first kite an 11m swithblade, have only ridden it once but I'm not overly keen on it just yet- mainly because I'm not getting the super effortless surf and drift characteristics out of it yet.. any sort of advanced tips? I didn't think it would be in the same league as the switchblade




Eaglelad you didn't think the cat would be in the same league as your SBlade in the surf? the SB is a very decent kite I to have ridden it , great power and great to jump. But the cat should piss all over the SB in the surf by a long way. the SB from my experience isn't that great in the surf pulls you off your line. does a similar thing to the rebel. I have made a point to ride all the free ride type kites and nothing beats the edge, except in the waves then the cat dominates the edge. some liked the old C4 in the waves to but I still think even the old cats n their right wind range were better.

One thing I will say is it took me a while to dial into the ozone feel. the rebel and SBlade are more obvious in their power delivery. as djodjo said five yourself some water time and I promise you will start to understand appreciate an love the feel of a cat.

Eaglelad
VIC, 119 posts
15 Mar 2013 10:01PM
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Cheers, guys- forecast is 25+ for tomorrow so hopefully I'll have it dialled in on the waves by the time I can't stand in the evening :D
by "not in the same league as the SB" I meant I expected the cat to **** on it from a height once swell was involved, which I haven't got it to do yet.
In all other areas I'm very satisfied though I think most of that is the knowledge it's going to take brown on the charts to keep me from having fun now on.

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WA, 1255 posts
18 Mar 2013 10:39AM
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Anyone with the 14m, hows the bar pressure?

Im currently running a 2013 13m C4 and finding the bar pressure just a little too much for my weak left forearm (developed kiters elbow which never had a problem with previously) so am contemplating a trade in for a 14m Cat.

Still want to unhook, kite loop etc

eppo
WA, 9718 posts
18 Mar 2013 11:48AM
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Default mine arrives sometime this week I hope, let you know. But there is less bar pressure per say than the 2013 C4. That much I do know from riding the cat and c4 14/15 m respectively. I didn't find the C4 had really high bar pressure though but i know some have.

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WA, 1255 posts
18 Mar 2013 12:35PM
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cheers eppo, I didnt think the bar pressure was too bad on the C4 at first, but after multiple 2 hour sessions on the 13m, I would start to feel it building up.. and more so the next day. Not sure how I would go if I was using it day after day..

No dramas at all with my 2012's.

The 2013 C4 bar pressure concern is definitely a personal thing. For me - now Im having trouble with my elbow . Spewin because its a sick kite.. but maybe time for a change so I can kite more comfortably on a big kite

ste
WA, 524 posts
18 Mar 2013 4:10PM
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Hey all,is it me,or does everyone shorten the rear lines on the cats?even on a new kite?do they fall back when you do that,or give a bit more grunt? Cheers



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