I know it is not the question but have you considered
a Wainman rabbit ,drifts well ,very strong, excellent Bar, and the front bridle is very simple and very customizable like having 3 kites in one.
I know it's a sin to compare but umm... isn't the thread by Snowie to compare the Noise and the Rebel?
The Best Hell Fish has an awesome colour, compared to the Switchblade.
I hope I've helped.
Man what a thread...
If the Noise is a rev2 with a tweek.
Was the sizing of the noise part of the tweek or was a rev2 also undersized.
The rebel is being compared to a -2m noise?
The rev2 was a stand out in 2009. North must then have it over bws for 2012. Technology gain in 3 years, its not a fair fight.
Otherwise R&D has stalled.
Riders technique, location, physical size etc etc must make a huge difference in the kites performance.
You guys are kidding
Rebel = Arguably one of the nicest all-round kites ever made.
Noise = dog crap with strings
I've had rev2, octane then bws
For me at 70-75 kgs they where all good at their low ends
At their top end they got crapper inversely proportionally to their year model ie: rev2 was the best. I had to change the "p lines" regularly also.
Now on the rebels, pretty good at the low end and just gets better as the wind increases. The reason they are good in the surf for me is the smooth depower down to almost no pull, then smooth as silk back on.
The rebels sit a long way forward, so in onshore conditions it's easy to chase the kite down the line to much, the reo's seem to sit better in onshore waveriding from what i've seen
I've got a noise 6m that i bought with the intention of only really using in the surf unstrapped. In reality i think its a perfectly good allrounder that surprised me with the height and float of the jumps when i use it with my twintip, wasn't expecting it to be so good.
As others have said, the turning speed could be better but is acceptable on the 6m. I reckon the bigger sizes could feel a little slow (based on the 6, i haven't ridden the bigger ones).
Agree with sugarqube that the bag is fairly rubbish, maybe they should budget an extra 10 bucks for something decent instead of the 3 bucks it probably costs them to get made.
I also dont like the depower cleat which i find is a pain to use and i question the durability of the bridle and pulleys.
Overall its a good kite for the money with a couple of minor issues.
scuzi,
thees sounda lika boolsheet to me
you canna splain the differances plees
me thinka that snowy may wanta know differances
prego
norths and slingshots dont justify their price. The BWs is just as good as kite with almost half the price tag. North and slingshots, and other expensive kites relying on their history to overprice their kites, days are numbered. There are a number of cheap good kites out there and growing by the day and good for them.
BWS is just as good as the rebel you say.
I suspect you need a few more years on the water my friend. Not saying I'm an expert my any measure, but over the past 12 seasons i have seen and ridden through the evolution of the kite in general. And to say what you said reveals to me you are either just trying to keep this tired thread going (and yes I see the hypocrisy in this post), or you have not flown both and/or you have too little experience to understand a kite that manifests its quality (both in material and design) into performance. You'll get their one day, don't worry.
EPPo
You often come back with how many years you have been kiting and how much experience you have. Thats great, but it doesnt mean that everyone else knows nothing about kites.
If the Rebel is so advanced , how come its still mid 2000s 5 line technology, where just about everyone else manages to do the same with 4 lines.
I have no desire for 5 lines in surf. Been there, done that, dog breakfast.
I stand by my comment. The Rebel is a good kite, no doubt, but so is the BWS, and it is a LOT cheaper.
Taking quality, fuctionality, efficiency and price into concern the Rebel would be 5th or 6 th down the list if I was to buy a kite today.
Each to his own. If youve got heaps of cash to blow, by all means get the Rebel.
. That being said, i'm always willing to try new kit and if it does cost less thats a bonus
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If your comparing quality,
BWS bar is 20 % better at least
Canopy of the North rebel has a few more patches on it heavier trailing edge, maybe 15 % better.
North bag is 90 % better
Price difference is 80% in favour of BWS
BWS do a fancy optional Haversak bag for those who want to pay 'extra' for an 'extra' that most others include - and charge you for - as 'standard'.
Theory being - why charge everyone an extra $100 for a bag they might not want?
Interestingly enough sales of the optional extra Haversak runs at less than 1%.
Maybe this indicates that the bag everyone here loves to hate is a better option for 99% of kiters than the bag you have to pay for?
