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2010 Nobile 50 fifty Review.

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Created by waxman > 9 months ago, 4 Nov 2009
waxman
SA, 1390 posts
21 Nov 2009 1:03PM
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That was Quick!

21 Nov 2009 6:10PM
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stamp said...

flexy board = less pop. simple


Not true, flex without control, all same flex throught the length of the board = true.
High end boards like Nobile T5 and NHP have controlled flex, which is flex in the tips, and stiffness in the middle, between your feet. This controlled flex gives even more pop.
So its more like Poppy Flex=More Poppy POP.

The corrugations as some poopy pimps are calling them, are combined with varying thickness throught the board and laminates/fibres under the top layer that give a very tightly and deliberate flex pattern, this years Nobile boards have outstanding pop, ask anyone thats ridden one. The NHP is an amazing board to ride, and looks hot as a bonus IMO.

Cya and

Goodwinds

McPop

Stu101
131 posts
21 Nov 2009 5:05PM
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Well I have ridden both the nhp and fifty 50 now and I hate the fact that my fifty 50 doesn't have a handle. Ha. Typical now I see that this has been put right but actually I think I prefered the nhp myself and will be returning to my dealer shortly to see if he still has the nhp and switching back to that one. I like the shorter fatter board rather than the longer thinner one I think I think the fifty 50 could do with being slightly skatier. I findit just a littlebit harder to break the board out when switching to toe side etc. Maybe this could be improved a little by adding slightly smaller fins on it.
I also thought that through the water the nhp felt a bit more solid, marginally stiffer perhaps?

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
21 Nov 2009 7:56PM
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What sized fins did you get on it? Mine came with verry small fins around 35mm, where as the NHP's are 55mm.

fozzy
SA, 501 posts
21 Nov 2009 10:51PM
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Been called many things, but a pimp. Have another read Steve, you're kidding yourself.

Stu101
131 posts
21 Nov 2009 9:33PM
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Same as the nhp 5 or 5.5 what ever they are.
Great grip for toe side riding but hard to switch in or out.

Stu101
131 posts
21 Nov 2009 10:41PM
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Just got on to the store and asked about the fins. They phoned nobile and got straight back to me (good as gold as always) nobile said it should have come with small fins and are sending a load down for them for Monday. Just in time as that's my next day off. Will hold fire on swapping back to the nhp and give it a go. Prob help me steer it upwind quicker for pop so should be interesting.

stamp
QLD, 2791 posts
22 Nov 2009 8:07AM
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Kitepower Australia said...

stamp said...

flexy board = less pop. simple


Not true, flex without control, all same flex throught the length of the board = true.
High end boards like Nobile T5 and NHP have controlled flex, which is flex in the tips, and stiffness in the middle, between your feet. This controlled flex gives even more pop.






flex in the tips might make it easier to pop but it definitely won't give you more. a stiff board is harder to get the most from but will perform much better than a flexy one once you get it dialled in. why do you think wakeboards are stiff?

flex is a kiteboarding gimmick, it makes riding in chop more comfortable and gives softer landings on boards that have bugger all rocker.

a bit of flex is also great for sliding and pressing but you sacrifice pop.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
22 Nov 2009 9:02AM
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Sounds like you know what your talking about!

Im definatly going to go out and buy a board with no flex now, so i can have a board that is uncomfortable to ride in chop, and that lands hard just so that any wakeboarder wont acuse me of having a gimic that i dont need. Then once out there im going to line up a big wake and jump it to prove that the board has good pop.WTF

If wake boards had great pop why dont they load and pop out on the flat before the wake.

stamp
QLD, 2791 posts
22 Nov 2009 9:06AM
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waxman said...



If wake boards had great pop why dont they load and pop out on the flat before the wake.


they do. its called cable.

and there's no need to throw a tantrum every time somebody disagrees with you. i'm happy you found a board you like, but if you're gonna talk yourself and your gear up so much, expect people to pull you up on things and question your reviews.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
22 Nov 2009 9:46AM
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Bossstyle said...

Just got on to the store and asked about the fins. They phoned nobile and got straight back to me (good as gold as always) nobile said it should have come with small fins and are sending a load down for them for Monday. Just in time as that's my next day off. Will hold fire on swapping back to the nhp and give it a go. Prob help me steer it upwind quicker for pop so should be interesting.


It will definatly ride better with the small fins, Its a shame they gave you the wrong ones to start with, I can see why you were having problems pushing the board around.
Nobile are always really quick at sorting out any problems you have. Good Work!

Im going to grab a new NHP 134 to go with the fifty 50, had a rougth time with the board the other night with wind gusting to over 40kts and then dropping to under 20kts would have been way to hard to get in to the boots so i used a old 666. On the up side when the wind started picking up i was stuck out on my 13m Bandit 3 and in 30kts i could still hold a strong edge with the boots on the 50 fifty. Just had no depower left and with the kite on the edge of the window it would still drag me. Glad i went in because 10m latter it went balistic[}:)]

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
22 Nov 2009 10:20AM
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stamp said...

waxman said...



If wake boards had great pop why dont they load and pop out on the flat before the wake.


they do. its called cable.

and there's no need to throw a tantrum every time somebody disagrees with you. i'm happy you found a board you like, but if you're gonna talk yourself and your gear up so much, expect people to pull you up on things and question your reviews.




I was just agreeing with you, you had some good points as to why a stiff board isnt that good for kitting.

So yo cant pop on a wake board, you need a cable to pull you out of the watter.LOL you will need a better argument than that.

AND ONCE AGAIN THIS POST IS CALLED NOBILE 50 FIFTY REVIEW. Yes I started this post with a board review, and have felt obligated to answer any questions about the board, if you want to pull me up i sugest you try the board and give some valid information. Not only this but if you read the post from the start you would notice i had a problem with the board which others have allso had and due to the review the problem has been fixed by Nobile. Isnt that a good thing, do you think that SS or LF would make changes to there boards strait away? If you dont like the post its easy to avoid just read the title. I will make it easy for you and others that have differing opinions about pop and start a new post. As this is not the place for it.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
22 Nov 2009 10:30AM
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New topic Posted!

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58082

Have fun boys

fozzy
SA, 501 posts
22 Nov 2009 10:58AM
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Isn't it ironic that the only 2 blokes that ride boots full time are the only 2 blokes questioning what is being said here and are on the same page as one another.

By the time I even bought into this you had gone on for 2 pages about how great this board is, when it got to the point that I thought I would make what was initally a playful jab of a remark, to offer a little perspective to some punter who might just buy one based on your remarks alone.

Reality is this barely moves the needle on my give-a-sh1t-ometer. If you want to buy a Nobile board, great, happy for you, in fact buy 10 for all I care. BUT, if you intend on buying THIS BOARD with the intention of riding it WITH BOOTS (which has been the point all along here for those that have lost focus) then I would urge you to try another board on the market that has some pedigree in manufacturing boards designed to be ridden in boots.

I don't need to ride it, given I understand what it is to ride in boots, to see certain fundamental characteristics that make a board conducive to doing so. It is obvious through remarks and reactions here by those that don't, that show that very lack of understanding. e.g. Grab handles on a boots board. Why, do you intend on undoing your laces mid air to do a one footer? or you can't carry a board without one. Market breakthrough, bang one on a surfboard. God knows how those blokes have coped all these years. The corrugations on the top of the board, which is ridiculous for mounting boots to as it will only promote heel and toe lift.

Anyway, that effort has used up all my interest in this little thread. But for those avid readers such as Dave Salz, perhaps in future rather than thinking it's all about egos, you might look a little closer and see that the points raised are more about offering some perspective. Particularly when, if I were to take a stab in the dark, that maybe, just maybe, Easto's Extreme Kites stocks Nobile. Shock, surprise! Who's pimping now McPop.

Enjoy kids.





Fat Mike
65 posts
22 Nov 2009 10:39AM
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Fozz is on the money. Nice to see someone reppin the scoop on here.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
22 Nov 2009 2:48PM
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waxman said...

stamp said...

waxman said...



If wake boards had great pop why dont they load and pop out on the flat before the wake.


they do. its called cable.

and there's no need to throw a tantrum every time somebody disagrees with you. i'm happy you found a board you like, but if you're gonna talk yourself and your gear up so much, expect people to pull you up on things and question your reviews.




I was just agreeing with you, you had some good points as to why a stiff board isnt that good for kitting.

So yo cant pop on a wake board, you need a cable to pull you out of the watter.LOL you will need a better argument than that.

AND ONCE AGAIN THIS POST IS CALLED NOBILE 50 FIFTY REVIEW. Yes I started this post with a board review, and have felt obligated to answer any questions about the board, if you want to pull me up i sugest you try the board and give some valid information. Not only this but if you read the post from the start you would notice i had a problem with the board which others have allso had and due to the review the problem has been fixed by Nobile. Isnt that a good thing, do you think that SS or LF would make changes to there boards strait away? If you dont like the post its easy to avoid just read the title. I will make it easy for you and others that have differing opinions about pop and start a new post. As this is not the place for it.




The big issue is you're claiming its a great boot board, and with some established brands out there making decent boot boards, you're always gonna have questions.

fozzy said...

Isn't it ironic that the only 2 blokes that ride boots full time are the only 2 blokes questioning what is being said here and are on the same page as one another.

By the time I even bought into this you had gone on for 2 pages about how great this board is, when it got to the point that I thought I would make what was initally a playful jab of a remark, to offer a little perspective to some punter who might just buy one based on your remarks alone.

Reality is this barely moves the needle on my give-a-sh1t-ometer. If you want to buy a Nobile board, great, happy for you, in fact buy 10 for all I care. BUT, if you intend on buying THIS BOARD with the intention of riding it WITH BOOTS (which has been the point all along here for those that have lost focus) then I would urge you to try another board on the market that has some pedigree in manufacturing boards designed to be ridden in boots.

I don't need to ride it, given I understand what it is to ride in boots, to see certain fundamental characteristics that make a board conducive to doing so. It is obvious through remarks and reactions here by those that don't, that show that very lack of understanding. e.g. Grab handles on a boots board. Why, do you intend on undoing your laces mid air to do a one footer? or you can't carry a board without one. Market breakthrough, bang one on a surfboard. God knows how those blokes have coped all these years. The corrugations on the top of the board, which is ridiculous for mounting boots to as it will only promote heel and toe lift.

Anyway, that effort has used up all my interest in this little thread. But for those avid readers such as Dave Salz, perhaps in future rather than thinking it's all about egos, you might look a little closer and see that the points raised are more about offering some perspective. Particularly when, if I were to take a stab in the dark, that maybe, just maybe, Easto's Extreme Kites stocks Nobile. Shock, surprise! Who's pimping now McPop.

Enjoy kids.








Fozzy, the problem you have is unless someone has ridden a board specifically designed for boots, and they're used to riding boots, they'll just assume thats what a good board feels like with boots on. I thought a Naish Thorn was a decent board for bindings when I first got boots.

For anyone to test this board realistically with boots, they have to first get out onto a boot board for a month so they're used to riding with boots, and then go out and test this board. Most people won't do that because they're just trying to boards.

I also don't believe you can interchange between a board with straps and a board with bindings easily either. I could when I was first riding straps, but now that I ride mostly boots, straps feel weird and the only time I use straps is when I'm riding in light wind on a big 140x43 that I have specifically for this purpose.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
22 Nov 2009 9:21PM
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fozzy said...



Anyway, that effort has used up all my interest in this little thread. But for those avid readers such as Dave Salz, perhaps in future rather than thinking it's all about egos, you might look a little closer and see that the points raised are more about offering some perspective. Particularly when, if I were to take a stab in the dark, that maybe, just maybe, Easto's Extreme Kites stocks Nobile. Shock, surprise! Who's pimping now McPop.

Enjoy kids.






Dam you got the scoop there Fozzy, I ride for Eastos Extreme Kites, and he sells nobile. Congratulations!

Most people that read the actual review would already have known that!

One other thing i would like to point out is this is not my first boots board, I choose to ride nobile boards because they are good IMO. I can ride any board i choose as Easto isnt limited to just one brand and never once have i tryed or sugested that people buy boards from him on this thread and have allways stated that people should demo one if they are interested.

Fozzy seeing as you are one of only two people that ride boots, and you are getting a new settup i think you should do a review. No need for the gear to arive and test it as it seems you allready know everything without having to do any tests, maby do a 2011 20012 board review at the same time. WTF is your problem!

jimmy87
SA, 112 posts
22 Nov 2009 9:56PM
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fozzy said...

I don't need to ride it, given I understand what it is to ride in boots, to see certain fundamental characteristics that make a board conducive to doing so. It is obvious through remarks and reactions here by those that don't, that show that very lack of understanding. e.g. Grab handles on a boots board. Why, do you intend on undoing your laces mid air to do a one footer? or you can't carry a board without one. Market breakthrough, bang one on a surfboard. God knows how those blokes have coped all these years. The corrugations on the top of the board, which is ridiculous for mounting boots to as it will only promote heel and toe lift.



How can you make any valid point about this board without taking it for a ride waxman has done a great job doing a reveiw on this board and like he said i am waiting for you to do a review on a board??????????

stamp
QLD, 2791 posts
22 Nov 2009 9:43PM
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like banging your head against a wall isn't it fozzy?

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
22 Nov 2009 10:23PM
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Bang head here------ www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58082

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
22 Nov 2009 10:33PM
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this is a bit of a joke.. no offence to anyone but most of what fozz said is true..

having a 'corrugated' or un even surface on ya board does promoate heel/toe rock or lift which in the end of the day will make your inserts weaker n pull em out, on top of that the rocking does ruin a bit of feel for the board as your boot isnt dead flat on it.

fozzy was merely bringing up relevant questions that should be asked about a bindings board. having a too flexy bindings board, ESPECIALLY when your powered properly (which should be all the time) makes you lose a lot of your edge grip etc n farks with ya pop. but having that flex is joy for pressin rails etc.
the LF element was one of the nicest boot boards ive ever ridden and that thing was super stiff.

i dont agree that you can say its sh1t without trying it though and from what i gather you ride for LF so your opinions can be biased.

I am a LF rider as well and I am a 100% full time boot rider too, hell im so desparate for boots im riding a 132 bunged up hook plank with boots until i get a new board.

i think Nobile should just send one my way n let me ride it for a while n il give ya a no bs review


Nobile
SA, 42 posts
23 Nov 2009 1:29AM
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Hi Charl,

Don't know where you ride in WA but you'll be able to demo plenty this summer...
Alessandro, Remi and Mike will be traveling the coast of WA but staying mainly around Perth for 3 months.
They should have some boards with staps (mike's and Alessandro's) or with boots (Remi) for you to try... Or go to Choicy, he might lend you his 50Fifty demo.

Just a note on the corrugated top, it is a direct result of the 3D Construction Concept and does not alter the boots fitting, If your boots are any size from 36 to a 46, the surface under the boot's contact point is perfectly flat.

Cheers,
B

Alessandro Lugaresi
Mike Blomvall
Remi Meum

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
22 Nov 2009 11:36PM
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i ride in perth.. wayy to much effort just mail me one

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
23 Nov 2009 10:48AM
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Charl dv said...

i ride in perth.. wayy to much effort just mail me one



Good to see you are willing to give it a go and do a review

What board did you have your boots on previously, what happend to it?

What would be the best lf board for me to try with boots at 95kgs, would it allso be good for straps?

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
23 Nov 2009 12:49PM
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i had a catapult Record model at 142x43 (i was 75kg at the time) and one of the bolts came out and i didnt notice then i stacked it and ripped an insert, core got water logged and the board started reverse flexing a bit. waiting for a concept DLX to come in as thats the most agressive wakestyle board coming in the range i think, well it looked the nicest for riding finless and im getting it in 138.

if you want something that works best for both id say influence 138 or maybe 142 if you like big boards, but i dont really see any board working great for both straps and boots sorry, it will always be better at one than the other and big boards on straps feel funny. concept is definitely the best board in the range but it's not out yet then the influence is the next one down, probably suited for more gusty conditions etc where the slight less rocker helps keep your speed up.

loverboy
WA, 614 posts
23 Nov 2009 6:37PM
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just rode the board - a 131 fifty50

Really soft and nice through the chop. Holds its edge great. Too grippy for my personal liking with the 55mm fins- definitely needs 35mm for my money.

I usually ride a 140 Cab Custom. Very different board but I liked it- definitely one you should try if you are looking for a comfortable board.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
23 Nov 2009 10:08PM
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loverboy said...

just rode the board - a 131 fifty50

Really soft and nice through the chop. Holds its edge great. Too grippy for my personal liking with the 55mm fins- definitely needs 35mm for my money.

I usually ride a 140 Cab Custom. Very different board but I liked it- definitely one you should try if you are looking for a comfortable board.


Was it a 141? or a NHP 131?

The 50 fifty are ment to have the smaller fins, mine does, but if it is the 131NHP then they come with the 55mm fins standard but for a lot of people they would feel to grippy, Im fairly used to the big fins on the nobile boards but definatly think they should make them a little smaller. especialy on the NHP.


CHARL DVThanks for the reply when im chasing a board just for boots only i will definatly give one a go. But for now i will stick with the 50 fifty just for the versatility.

velistapazzo
QLD, 20 posts
27 Nov 2009 4:54AM
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Hi, I'd like just to know how is the 50 fifty in rough choppy water or in little waves...
I know it's a flat water board...but official review says that "this is THE one board for all riders....carving, jumping, wakestyle, wave, whatever your tastes, the Nobile 50Fifty Pro will never fail to deliver the super smooth feeling"...IS IT TRUE????
That because flat water for me is almost like an utopia!!

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
27 Nov 2009 7:00AM
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I have ridden in some verry nasty chop, and in small rolly waves with and without boots on the board and it is really smooth not much spray from the board and it still tracks up wind efortlessly. It carves really well and should handle waves no problems, i havent tryed it in reall surf yet but maby this weekend?

It really is a verry versatile board, try to get your hands on a demo i think you will be impressed

Make sure it has the 35mm fins on it(theyare ment to come with them), the other 55mm nobile fins will make it feel way to grippy.

Which part of australia are you in if you check out the nobile website you should be able to find your nearest dealer.

nobilekiteboarding.com/

Stu101
131 posts
27 Nov 2009 9:22AM
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Hey Waxi,

now I am feeling the love for my fifty 50 board completely now! Well except for the handle and got a rep looking into that for me.
Asked about small fins at the shop in Poole on sat. They arrived Tuesday morn and fitted them straight away.
It is truly awesome now. I don't want the nhp, I am happy to stick with just this one board.
Been out last three days on the trot with it and couldn't stop smiling.
Every thing I wasn't to sure of was corrected with the smaller fins. They allow it to carve round better, it breaks out to switch so smoothly now and allows you to slash it up wind quicker for pop as well. Fantastic!
Best board I have ridden so far out if the many I have tried.
The wind has been mental last three days and water in uk been pretty choppy and sloppy and this board does just mow over anything in it path easily. You don't feel anything in the knees at all and can ride for hours in comfort on one of these. I am using cabrinah sync pads And straps though and not the nobile ones.
Im impressed and very happy now any way. Thanks for the tip on the fins! I agree I have tried most of the nobile past boards and I think alot of them would benifit from the smaller fins as well.
Hmmm winder what the NHP 2010 is like with small fins???? Ha.



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