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why aren't there any 2 to 1 pulley bars out there?

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Created by ueberqwerty > 9 months ago, 22 Sep 2010
ueberqwerty
WA, 59 posts
22 Sep 2010 12:17PM
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Could anybody tell me why there aren't any 2 to 1 pulley bars out there anymore like the cabrinha powerstroke or the slingshot one? I never used one and am just wondering why people stopped buying them (or manufacturer stopped making them...) ?

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
22 Sep 2010 12:40PM
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The early bows needed them as their depower was so long. Kites can now depower with a much shorter stroke. The worst thing about the pulleys on the back lines is the steering becomes remote and bar pressure is doubled.

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:40PM
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... cause 2 to 1 was s h i t ! I personally didn't like it at all!! Glad to see it go ... but you gotta do what you gotta do and every one has learnt from then, now kites are getting good!

BennyB12
QLD, 918 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:32PM
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agreed.. I still remember the 1st time I flew my trusty omega after converting it from 2 to 1:1... It was like a new and improved kite even for an omega!!
A good example of new technology/ideas making it better for all...

KnutH
VIC, 427 posts
22 Sep 2010 11:09PM
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-Why did the old bows have a long depower throw?
-Why do pulleys on the back lines double bar pressure?
-Why is the banana curved?

COL
NSW, 554 posts
23 Sep 2010 10:19AM
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- Because the geometry of the bridles were less refined & needed more line travel to get the required adjustment of kite attitude.
- Because with the pulleys you are effectively pulling the rear lines in at double the rate.
- Because bananas grow directly outwards from the stem but the effect of gravity causes them to droop. You can observe a similar effect with other things that project outwards.

toddws
WA, 469 posts
23 Sep 2010 5:03PM
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There are, pretty sure new crossbow race edition has for better steering input or so they reckon!

terminal
1421 posts
23 Sep 2010 5:46PM
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Cabrinha say they have a 1.5:1 system on the 2011 Crossbow race, but its at the kite.

Some riders use pulley bars in the waves. (You can see that he switched it to 1:1 for strapless riding, but seems to have gone back to the pulleys for riding).

23 Sep 2010 10:43PM
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toddws said...

There are, pretty sure new crossbow race edition has for better steering input or so they reckon!



Its 1.5:1 and its not at the kite and not at the bar!
WTF I heard you say!
Well its in the bridle line at the bar, so the pulleys are floating and held in place by the tension on the lines, easier to explain with a pic.
And I don't have one, but have not used it yet either.

terminal
1421 posts
24 Sep 2010 1:10AM
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Kitepower Australia said...

toddws said...

There are, pretty sure new crossbow race edition has for better steering input or so they reckon!



Its 1.5:1 and its not at the kite and not at the bar!
WTF I heard you say!
Well its in the bridle line at the bar, so the pulleys are floating and held in place by the tension on the lines, easier to explain with a pic.
And I don't have one, but have not used it yet either.




Is it like this setup Bruno was testing?

www.adrenalini.eu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4168&sid=18c509500121c3575ab86829149ea1c0

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
24 Sep 2010 11:05AM
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COL said...

- Because the geometry of the bridles were less refined & needed more line travel to get the required adjustment of kite attitude.
- Because with the pulleys you are effectively pulling the rear lines in at double the rate.
- Because bananas grow directly outwards from the stem but the effect of gravity causes them to droop. You can observe a similar effect with other things that project outwards.


As a former tropical horticulturist i had to pull you UP on this one.

here is how bananas actually grow.



the rest of that post makes sense though

Lovely
QLD, 248 posts
24 Sep 2010 3:33PM
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They worked out that pulleys are just cr@p.
Having pulleys on the kite and bar made the kite experience double cr@p. But it was something to talk about.
People still like to talk about kites with redesigned bridles with pulleys, so they need to make cr@p quick or they can't sell to beginners.

snoopy
NSW, 116 posts
24 Sep 2010 5:38PM
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BennyB12 said...

agreed.. I still remember the 1st time I flew my trusty omega after converting it from 2 to 1:1... It was like a new and improved kite even for an omega!!
A good example of new technology/ideas making it better for all...


I still have an Omega.

24 Sep 2010 6:34PM
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terminal said...

Kitepower Australia said...

toddws said...

There are, pretty sure new crossbow race edition has for better steering input or so they reckon!



Its 1.5:1 and its not at the kite and not at the bar!
WTF I heard you say!
Well its in the bridle line at the bar, so the pulleys are floating and held in place by the tension on the lines, easier to explain with a pic.
And I don't have one, but have not used it yet either.




Is it like this setup Bruno was testing?

www.adrenalini.eu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4168&sid=18c509500121c3575ab86829149ea1c0



Yes its the same as this pic, so there are two largish pulleys on each side of the bar, the top two are out of the pic though and are suspended at the apex/junction of the bar two leaders that run up and out of the frame. Bit clunky IMO




tmiddled
NSW, 253 posts
24 Sep 2010 7:20PM
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colinwill78 said...

COL said...

- Because the geometry of the bridles were less refined & needed more line travel to get the required adjustment of kite attitude.
- Because with the pulleys you are effectively pulling the rear lines in at double the rate.
- Because bananas grow directly outwards from the stem but the effect of gravity causes them to droop. You can observe a similar effect with other things that project outwards.


As a former tropical horticulturist i had to pull you UP on this one.

here is how bananas actually grow.



the rest of that post makes sense though


Typically the branch connected to the bananas grow upwards (As opposed to down in quoted pic). After generations, bananas found they grew longer (and thus fitter) if they followed the path of least resistance (due to gravity) and droop. After generations of evolution it was encoded into their genetic code to droop down to grow bigger, be more successful, spread more seed etc. etc. Although you may sometimes see a banana curving downwards, upwards or even sideways, the banana will always (except in the case of genetic mutation) droop down relative to it's branch :-)

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
24 Sep 2010 10:11PM
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tmiddled said...

colinwill78 said...

COL said...

- Because the geometry of the bridles were less refined & needed more line travel to get the required adjustment of kite attitude.
- Because with the pulleys you are effectively pulling the rear lines in at double the rate.
- Because bananas grow directly outwards from the stem but the effect of gravity causes them to droop. You can observe a similar effect with other things that project outwards.


As a former tropical horticulturist i had to pull you UP on this one.

here is how bananas actually grow.



the rest of that post makes sense though


Typically the branch connected to the bananas grow upwards (As opposed to down in quoted pic). After generations, bananas found they grew longer (and thus fitter) if they followed the path of least resistance (due to gravity) and droop. After generations of evolution it was encoded into their genetic code to droop down to grow bigger, be more successful, spread more seed etc. etc. Although you may sometimes see a banana curving downwards, upwards or even sideways, the banana will always (except in the case of genetic mutation) droop down relative to it's branch :-)


B.S. bananas have always, and still do, grow upwards like this. This picture is not an iscoloated one, it is typical!! The weight of the flower spike tip alone is enought to turn the fruiting body towards the ground.
It evolved because the flowers holding nectar to attract insects and bats etc would simply spill onto the ground if they were to grow downwards. The other reason is that the bananas can opposedly peel themselves through their abcision layer when they are directed this way, falling without skin onto the ground thus enabling better spread of seed through the faeces of scavenging animals.
Please, if you're going to correct me about bananas, at least have some knowledge.
Inferior speculation sounds ridiculous to educated fools like me.












colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
24 Sep 2010 10:14PM
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I also like my 2:1 pully bars. so don;'t trust anything i say.



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