hi all..need help from some intermediate/expert riders ;)
i wanna buy kite to upgrade from my beginners nobile n62 v3.0 11m2 as i feel i need more intermediate kite now after 2 years..
my skill is still only freeride with some basics small jumps..wind is often from 12-18kt at my spot with flat water and i have 68kg..board is nobile nbl 142x42 cm and i have no plan for now to change it and i hope that she would have no bigger influence to my upwind ride and jumps with new kite..
..the major thing i ask from my new kite is to have great/excellent upwind abilities and good performance for my first real hooked-in jumps..
what kite to buy from your experience and what size should i took for my conditions???
rly hope for help and suggestions from u gyz..tnx!!!
There is no best kite....but for upwind excellent and decent jumping you need some aspect, especially in those lighter winds mentioned.
So starting the list
Edge, dyno, Naish draft, F series mutiny, rebel, fuse, LF NRG, Peter Lynn fury, speed FS, VXR airush and..and..
And
A wainmen smoke...
For upwind drive in light conditions? I was joking about the smoke.
Suppose easier to learn how to jump on those to and the smoke.
Select to expand quotekkiter said..
Best upwind performance = Ozone Edge.
unless you want to go foil... then the speed 3 cranks a higher upwind angle.
The most important things for upwind performance, in order, are 1. rider skill, 2. board, 3. kite.
As far as I can tell your board and kite are ok. You need to work on your skills to get a significant improvement in upwind performance.
miroslavpena
You can answer your own question by looking over you shoulder next time your out riding and read the names on the kites that are up wind of you
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..
miroslavpena
You can answer your own question by looking over you shoulder next time your out riding and read the names on the kites that are up wind of you
Whaaaat......use common sense? pffft!
Tis far better to get mixed reactions and opinions from a broad spectrum of philosophers on the interweb.....
Which reminds me......I must get that Spacebook thingo setup one day
Gorgo is right in a way.
But given the same board and the same rider the kite then becomes more important.
With aspect comes efficiency. But it needs to be complimented with a relatively efficient board as you won't get as much static pull especially with the real race types.
also with aspect and flat foil canopy such as the edge then you also need good timing and interplay of board and kite speed to jump effectively.
Right now my number one choice would be the zephyr which gives you a little more room for error on the above.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..kkiter said..
Best upwind performance = Ozone Edge.
unless you want to go foil... then the speed 3 cranks a higher upwind angle.
Not in my experience, and I've kited alongside experienced flysurfer speed 3 riders here in Sydney. On a raceboard, the Edge smokes them.
My experience and observations are Edge and then kites that are based on it (there are several, including dyno, asv, rrd, etc), and the Cabrinha Velocity.
Hey Miro,
Dont listen to these jokers you need to buy a duck, and stuff it in your wetsuit, warm, comfy and good reliable company. OK Not Joke..........
2012 / 2013 models
Cabrinha Switchblade 12
Ozone EDGE 12
North Rebel 12
......Dream Kites.....
These kites are awesome upwind and will jump easy and also offer you progression.
Dont for get your board, a longer flatter board will get you upwind quicker.... ----and duck your foot straps out ---....google it.
Good luck mate
Same weight as you , same if not litter wind then you and I have been on a switchblade 11 meter . Board is very important I have the same size as you . BUT I have 2 of them ,,one board is dead flat no concaves in it the other dose (not talking about rocker ) the one with out it is up and planning upwind in around 4-5 kns quicker and easer . it is simply call drag when the wind is above 15 the other one comes out digs in better ect .my 5 cents worth .As for other kites I don't get to demo many so cant help .
You don't sound like any of the race kites are going to suit you at your level. The easier kites to go upwind will be the more general freeride kites.
Once you get better then you may get slightly higher into the wind but by then unless your racing it won't be a concern anyway.
As for the size look at what others are on.
tnx for ur rplys gyz...i can easy go upwind with my current setup if the wind is 16kn or more but below that is hard..nobile n62 is kite with rly small AR and kite wont go that easy on edge of the wind window so its harder to master upwind tech especially if the wind is below 15kt..
What size should i take for my conditions ??? i considering on 14m2 though..is that too big for my 68kg and 12-18kt ?
I was doing research for kites on their websites and its hard to tell from their info what kite is for upwind and some jumps..except i run into Slingshot Rally specs with is from SS info their best upwind kite for decent jumps but non of u mention Rally..am i wrong ???
most often suggestions for now is Cabrinha Switchblade, Ozone EDGE, North Rebel and Dyno..but what size 12 or 14 ?? and what about SS Rally ?
tnx again
go the 14 in any freeride kite. The higher aspect race kites will also be more of a pain to relaunch in light winds
Discontinued in the 2014 lineup, but the 2013 and 2012 were ok, nothing like an Edge though. At your weight you would do much better with a smaller board something a 1.31 555 if you want to stick with Nobile.
Select to expand quoteKitepower Australia said..
Discontinued in the 2014 lineup, but the 2013 and 2012 were ok, nothing like an Edge though. At your weight you would do much better with a smaller board something a 1.31 555 if you want to stick with Nobile.
wy would be better smaller board for my weight..isnt bigger better for light wind?
Select to expand quotemiroslavpena said..Kitepower Australia said..
Discontinued in the 2014 lineup, but the 2013 and 2012 were ok, nothing like an Edge though. At your weight you would do much better with a smaller board something a 1.31 555 if you want to stick with Nobile.
wy would be better smaller board for my weight..isnt bigger better for light wind?
Sorry I did not realise this was your light wind board, in that case something bigger would be better, but what you have is ok.
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..
miroslavpena
You can answer your own question by looking over you shoulder next time your out riding and read the names on the kites that are up wind of you
been today and done that..almost unbelievable how this look over shoulder can help for upwind track..been riding on 12m2 nobile t5 on max 15 kt..tnx again!! great advice!
It's true the Edge cranks up-wind the hardest but I would suggest either a 12 or 14 Catalyst for its ease of use (it also goes upwind well).
ok tnx all for suggestions..
1. Cabrinha Switchblade
2. North Rebel
3. North Dyno
4. Ozone Edge
and i wanna add
5. Cabrinha Crossbow
6. Slingshot Rally
7. Nobile T5
now i want those who know or have some exp to rank it all or just those u know or believe in rank order starting with most viable or usable for jumping(simple hooked in..hang time/pop)..and feel free to write some comments why is it that order :) .. i hope the question is not too stupid but where can i ask it if not on some forums :)..tnx again
my 2c,
you list priorities as upwind and jumping, you are a light weight at 68kg. You mainly ride in flat water and lightish winds. Your board although not a light wind board is on the bigger side for your weight.
I would not go a race kite If I was you, they lack user friendliness in order to achieve maximum performance. As mentioned by a few others a freeride kite is going to be better allround for you.
Of the kites you list, the north rebel stands out above all for your criteria. So that leaves sizing, others(shop guys) are more qualified than me to sort you here, but a 14m is a big kite for you IMO. I would have thought a 9m for allround use and a 12m for lighter winds. One caveat I think the 12m should be coupled with a light wind specific TT.
Select to expand quotebennie said..
I would not go a race kite If I was you, they lack user friendliness in order to achieve maximum performance. As mentioned by a few others a freeride kite is going to be better allround for you.
I agree with Bennie's comment.
There are a number of kites which still perform very well up wind, but are good all-rounders too. Maybe the North Rebel or Slingshot Rally could be a fit?
Whatever you do - demo, demo, demo. I've read equipment reviews until I was dizzy, listened to advice on "what was the best kite for me", then tested the gear and ended up buying something completely different.
rallySelect to expand quotemiroslavpena said..
tnx for ur rplys gyz...i can easy go upwind with my current setup if the wind is 16kn or more but below that is hard..nobile n62 is kite with rly small AR and kite wont go that easy on edge of the wind window so its harder to master upwind tech especially if the wind is below 15kt..
What size should i take for my conditions ??? i considering on 14m2 though..is that too big for my 68kg and 12-18kt ?
I was doing research for kites on their websites and its hard to tell from their info what kite is for upwind and some jumps..except i run into Slingshot Rally specs with is from SS info their best upwind kite for decent jumps but non of u mention Rally..am i wrong ???
most often suggestions for now is Cabrinha Switchblade, Ozone EDGE, North Rebel and Dyno..but what size 12 or 14 ?? and what about SS Rally ?
tnx again
rally is like an evo delta shape kite. deltas have the worst upwind performance.
Rebel and switchy are good upwind as well. generally the bigger the kite the worst the upwind performance- more drag
I think your really need to define exactly what ya after.
Good points about a race kite but heck you are talking some lightish winds on a TT (inefficient board) although you are only 68 and its 42 wide.
If just your intentions are to go upwind and jump then apart from what other have said above I would consider a race kite. They are not as extreme as some make out. I have had so many emails telling me how good crew have found the edge coming from more low aspect friendly kites.
But if you plan on mixing it up then the crew above are right. Something like the rebel would be ideal. Rally I'm not so sure. Maybe. Switch blade 2013 (not before) might be okay to, plenty of crew were using them in the light winds in Bali.
If we stay with the edge as that's what I know intimately now, I'd say a 13m edge would nearly ideal at your weight and board selection.
What kind of wind do you have, is it cold an dense, tropical warm and weak? Or is it just a normal thermal Seabreeze?
So many options so many good kites hey. Bennie is right you need to demo a number of kites then maybe get back to us all and discuss what characteristics wou enjoyed and what you didn't.
Don't rush it...I'm speaking from experience having done that way too many times.
So you have flat water and you want to jump and stay upwind. That sounds race like to me. That's what they do!
Nbl is a nice and fast board to another reason for a fast, efficient kite like a race kite. Relaunch...ho hum, don't buy a kite based on bloody relaunch for gods sake, I have never had a problem relaunching any kite, low, medium of high aspect, whatever bridal config, however many pulleys...just gotta learn each kites idiosyncrasies.
What one giveth the other taketh away, its alway a comprimise.
2 years kiting and some small basic jumps. Do you guy's really think he needs a more advanced kite
Select to expand quoteTurtleHunter said...
2 years kiting and some small basic jumps. Do you guy's really think he needs a more advanced kite
I was gonna say that, however I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, having said that I don't think anyone can say that they out perform their kite, it'll always have the upper hand
For sure higher aspect kite can fly further toward the edge of the wind window if flown correctly. I find trimming the kite is the key, keeping the bar out. Once you need to sine the kite too much none of that helps.high aspect kites I have flown tend to keep heading toward the edge thus needing some redirecting to maintain power.
