Just curious as to how others pop to get the maximum amount of slack. I feel my slack is very inconsistent, somtimes I get so much slack that I can't do anything because there is no tension in the bar what so ever (dosnt happen too offen), I use the tension to pull on the bar to start the rotation. And other times I have not enough slack so I can't get the bar close enough to my back. But sometimes I get the perfect mix of slack and tension. I use tona pop and airush razor!
how I pop: kite low, below 45°. Aim downwind to let the kite sit back into the window, unhook, carve, stomp and release.
I hear people talk about there kite not moving after the pop due to slack, i find my kite still has lots of steering when the bar is behind my back.
Here is my edit, I'm sure most of you have seen but please pick apart my pop technique and give me some feed back.
I'm curious too, on my razors I find the approach speed is what makes the biggest difference..
Select to expand quotedachopper said...
Have a look at a clipboard made a few years back all in slow motion.
The first thing I noticed is that your top half is rigid and doesn't really extend during the launch. If you extended your arms fully , then you almost don't need line tension to twist as you can tuck your legs and twist and add the shoulder. As you approach inverted naturally rather than forcibly.
The board plays a massive role in how you get the pop, generally big fat tips are better at holding edges and stomping to flip up, if your mid sections are much bigger than the tips, you will loose edging ability when you stomp, or if your board is good at carving ( rounded ) , requiring more speed, higher kite angle to pull you up as pop is reduced, and more line tension, will give you more steering.
Check out the clip u can see which boards give you troubles stomp popping. I'm about halfway on a stiff aboard, and need speed and kite position to get off .
Find square, flexy tips, stiffer mid the best
Aww man, if that was 2009, i would hate to see how good you are now!
Thanks for the input, I'll try extend my arms a little more. I don't get anything close to the hight that's on the clip. Should I have my kite powder up more, I'm a bit if a girl and don't like to have too much power. But iv notice I'm had the most slack when the wind was cranking on my 9m and I had it fully depowered!
Try the kite 45 to 60, mid power ( I normally pull the depower a little )
Whatever happens, try to violently rip the board back under you to throw your legs kind of back and out, not just out like most ppl raily like
If you loose your edge either it's too bumpy, kite too high, or power in kite too much
If you don't get enough height launch faster, as long as you don't loose the edge, you can use the speed with a lower kite, though I wouldn't go to 45 unless it was nuking
Try the pops without the passes. To get slack normally happens after a violent pop which has a rotation at the top where you flip or fall towards the kite to make the pass.
Or if you fly off a wave tip but cut downwind halfway up the face for example
Select to expand quotedachopper said...
Try the kite 45 to 60, mid power ( I normally pull the depower a little )
Whatever happens, try to violently rip the board back under you to throw your legs kind of back and out, not just out like most ppl raily like
If you loose your edge either it's too bumpy, kite too high, or power in kite too much
If you don't get enough height launch faster, as long as you don't loose the edge, you can use the speed with a lower kite, though I wouldn't go to 45 unless it was nuking
Try the pops without the passes. To get slack normally happens after a violent pop which has a rotation at the top where you flip or fall towards the kite to make the pass.
Or if you fly off a wave tip but cut downwind halfway up the face for example
Thanks mate. I really appreciate your input, i
I'll give your technique a go 
Kemp- this might sound off but have you tuned your kite? Spoke with alex pastor when he was here and he shortened my 5th line about an inch, has made a heck of a difference (eg; tensioned 5th) basic but a mistake i had been making. might help get the explosive pop and slack- it did for me
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Kemp- this might sound off but have you tuned your kite? Spoke with alex pastor when he was here and he shortened my 5th line about an inch, has made a heck of a difference (eg; tensioned 5th) basic but a mistake i had been making. might help get the explosive pop and slack- it did for me
TELL ME MORE!! Iv had these kites since new and haven't touched the 5th. How dose this help, I have noticed it's a little slack!
didnt see heaps of the load in the video.have you got some longer sequences
ihad a big problem getting consistant slack and it was because i wasn't going downwind nearly enough before the load
i did a clinic with a guy called Chris wardell last season and it really stepped up my riding. he is based on the sunshine coast.
i sat and watched Alex pastor for a good few hours last year when he was here and he damn near runs straight at the kite before loading for the doubles.
Select to expand quotekemp90 said...dachopper said...
Have a look at a clipboard made a few years back all in slow motion.
The first thing I noticed is that your top half is rigid and doesn't really extend during the launch. If you extended your arms fully , then you almost don't need line tension to twist as you can tuck your legs and twist and add the shoulder. As you approach inverted naturally rather than forcibly.
The board plays a massive role in how you get the pop, generally big fat tips are better at holding edges and stomping to flip up, if your mid sections are much bigger than the tips, you will loose edging ability when you stomp, or if your board is good at carving ( rounded ) , requiring more speed, higher kite angle to pull you up as pop is reduced, and more line tension, will give you more steering.
Check out the clip u can see which boards give you troubles stomp popping. I'm about halfway on a stiff aboard, and need speed and kite position to get off .
Find square, flexy tips, stiffer mid the best
Aww man, if that was 2009, i would hate to see how good you are now!
Thanks for the input, I'll try extend my arms a little more. I don't get anything close to the hight that's on the clip. Should I have my kite powder up more, I'm a bit if a girl and don't like to have too much power. But iv notice I'm had the most slack when the wind was cranking on my 9m and I had it fully depowered!
Thats andy yates on the ss board. Sick clip. Yeh kemp i have the same problem with my slack. I find with tricks im really confident with i get it perfect every time but its my bigger tricks that i risk copping s beating that i get the inconsistancy
Select to expand quotepedleym said...
didnt see heaps of the load in the video.have you got some longer sequences
ihad a big problem getting consistant slack and it was because i wasn't going downwind nearly enough before the load
i did a clinic with a guy called Chris wardell last season and it really stepped up my riding. he is based on the sunshine coast.
i sat and watched Alex pastor for a good few hours last year when he was here and he damn near runs straight at the kite before loading for the doubles.
Hey mate since this clip I have been going down wind so much more befor I pop. This had helped me a lot. Not too sure what this dose eexactly, but I like watching the kite flote back and then watch it race to the edge when you load.
It sucks cause where I live, I'm the only one at this level of riding. Can't wate for the nationals so I can see in person every1 else's techniques
Select to expand quoteglendog said...kemp90 said...dachopper said...
Have a look at a clipboard made a few years back all in slow motion.
The first thing I noticed is that your top half is rigid and doesn't really extend during the launch. If you extended your arms fully , then you almost don't need line tension to twist as you can tuck your legs and twist and add the shoulder. As you approach inverted naturally rather than forcibly.
The board plays a massive role in how you get the pop, generally big fat tips are better at holding edges and stomping to flip up, if your mid sections are much bigger than the tips, you will loose edging ability when you stomp, or if your board is good at carving ( rounded ) , requiring more speed, higher kite angle to pull you up as pop is reduced, and more line tension, will give you more steering.
Check out the clip u can see which boards give you troubles stomp popping. I'm about halfway on a stiff aboard, and need speed and kite position to get off .
Find square, flexy tips, stiffer mid the best
Aww man, if that was 2009, i would hate to see how good you are now!
Thanks for the input, I'll try extend my arms a little more. I don't get anything close to the hight that's on the clip. Should I have my kite powder up more, I'm a bit if a girl and don't like to have too much power. But iv notice I'm had the most slack when the wind was cranking on my 9m and I had it fully depowered!
Thats andy yates on the ss board. Sick clip. Yeh kemp i have the same problem with my slack. I find with tricks im really confident with i get it perfect every time but its my bigger tricks that i risk copping s beating that i get the inconsistancy
Hahaha glen I was so jealous of your pop and how your kite never moved. I was watching your clips on insta over and over to sus out how you were doing it!
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kemp90 said..
It sucks cause where I live, I'm the only one at this level of riding.
Umm yeah, you're just at the cutting edge of kiting! Not modest at all are you.
Select to expand quotehargs said...
kemp90 said..
It sucks cause where I live, I'm the only one at this level of riding.
Umm yeah, you're just at the cutting edge of kiting! Not modest at all are you.
Haha don't take it the wrong way, but there is only 1 other guy that practices freestyle where I live and he is throwing blinds! And I'm well passed that stage. That's all mate, I'm not Saying I'm kite god! Why else would I be asking for help!
No woz mate, just winding you up - and I hear were you are coming from - It's much easier to progress when you have other guys constantly pushing you to the limit, which unfortunately ain't the case in little old Yeppoon. I'm no help to you as I'm just an old school ex windsurfer who hits the ocean on his strapped surfboard with his kite looking for ramps to boost old school tweaked out moves.
Lets hope the SE'er continues for the weekend. Cheers Hargs
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No woz mate, just winding you up - and I hear were you are coming from - It's much easier to progress when you have other guys constantly pushing you to the limit, which unfortunately ain't the case in little old Yeppoon. I'm no help to you as I'm just an old school ex windsurfer who hits the ocean on his strapped surfboard with his kite looking for ramps to boost old school tweaked out moves.
Lets hope the SE'er continues for the weekend. Cheers Hargs
Haha forsure, Altho this wind is ultra gusty, yesterday it was 12-22 knots. Can't do much in that wind!
Yeah I got out earlier in the week - one minute I was lit the next I thought I'd have to swim home.
Hopefully it sorts it self out for the weekend.
Select to expand quotekemp90 said..hargs said...
kemp90 said..
It sucks cause where I live, I'm the only one at this level of riding.
Umm yeah, you're just at the cutting edge of kiting! Not modest at all are you.
Haha don't take it the wrong way, but there is only 1 other guy that practices freestyle where I live and he is throwing blinds! And I'm well passed that stage. That's all mate, I'm not Saying I'm kite god! Why else would I be asking for help!
This sentence says a lot to me. I think people get too focused on passing in the air. To me it looks like you could clean up some of your tricks and the pop will become better just from not focusing on the air pass so much. For instance a big, powerful, and clean raley to blind looks immensely better than what people refer to as a blind judge. A good BS 313 looks good but to me the blind judge looks like a very incomplete trick. Another example is your back to blind. Stop passing it in the air and it will look a lot better. When you're ready and you can land it 100% of the time take it to a KGB. To me it looks like you need to work on going into your tricks faster and dialling that pop in a little better. Watch videos of the tricks you want to learn on repeat and focus on the pop because it varies from trick to trick (the cut, edging time, and angle) and work on raley to blind, back to blind, front to blind, raley to wrapped, back to wrapped, and front to wrapped. Then started passing in the air, then start adding grabs. Back to basics and more speed are my suggestions. Check out Brandon's new edit, only like half the tricks are air swaps.
It shifts the kite back but also your direction of travel
So your direction of travel is more downwind when you pop
Your 5th should be a little slack when bar is out at 12
Then fully sheeted it it should tension just enough without splaying open the canopy I test this by fully sheeting in and pulling on the 5th it should change the shape of the canopy after about 1/2 to 1 cm
Hope that make sence
Having too slack of a 5th deepens the c as you load the kite
Select to expand quoteDrury said...kemp90 said..hargs said...
kemp90 said..
It sucks cause where I live, I'm the only one at this level of riding.
Umm yeah, you're just at the cutting edge of kiting! Not modest at all are you.
Haha don't take it the wrong way, but there is only 1 other guy that practices freestyle where I live and he is throwing blinds! And I'm well passed that stage. That's all mate, I'm not Saying I'm kite god! Why else would I be asking for help!
This sentence says a lot to me. I think people get too focused on passing in the air. To me it looks like you could clean up some of your tricks and the pop will become better just from not focusing on the air pass so much. For instance a big, powerful, and clean raley to blind looks immensely better than what people refer to as a blind judge. A good BS 313 looks good but to me the blind judge looks like a very incomplete trick. Another example is your back to blind. Stop passing it in the air and it will look a lot better. When you're ready and you can land it 100% of the time take it to a KGB. To me it looks like you need to work on going into your tricks faster and dialling that pop in a little better. Watch videos of the tricks you want to learn on repeat and focus on the pop because it varies from trick to trick (the cut, edging time, and angle) and work on raley to blind, back to blind, front to blind, raley to wrapped, back to wrapped, and front to wrapped. Then started passing in the air, then start adding grabs. Back to basics and more speed are my suggestions. Check out Brandon's new edit, only like half the tricks are air swaps.
and check out at 1:00 in this clip for the tail front to blind. THAT is pop.
Thanks mate, your dead right!
here is my pop, do I need even more speed for more hight? am I going downwind enough? this was about 20knots on a 9m on a lighter setting! I feel I have improved on my pop, but please pick away!
Doesn't look like you head downwind much, more just relaxing your edge to unhook. Bear off further, engage your edge and pop like toast.
When you bear off the kite sits a bit deeper and when you load it pushes to the windows edge. The more it overshoots the edge the more slack you'll get. If you don't bear of beforehand much the kites already at the windows edge and oveshoots less.
Select to expand quoteNickT said...
Doesn't look like you head downwind much, more just relaxing your edge to unhook. Bear off further, engage your edge and pop like toast.
When you bear off the kite sits a bit deeper and when you load it pushes to the windows edge. The more it overshoots the edge the more slack you'll get. If you don't bear of beforehand much the kites already at the windows edge and oveshoots less.
Haha wow, I thought I was going down wind loads. Thanks mate, will try agen today 
If youri and Marc are an the pond today I'll try get some footage of How much they bear off
Even the approach should be across wind gaining speed. You can also leave the kite more powered as your not fighting it upwind
Dam I'm not going near as fast as the guys in that clip. I got some awsome pop and slack this morning. i think now I need to be more powered! there is so much talent in that clip
IMO my tip is not to load up the rail like you think you may need to. Dont go down wind and then load the rail loads again... unhook and pop as fast as possible pointing downwind arms bent and hands as close to your hip as possible (they wont end up there - but aim for there... )- when you getting into unhooking I think this will help loads - all the advice of "just head downwind and then reload the rail hard for massive pop isn't gonna help to start with at all I don't reckon.
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Check out :48 in there see how downwind he goes for that KGB 5
that vid gets me so amped
come on Doctor
